Is EMAN the future number one?

Ovyron · Post by **Ovyron** » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:35 pm

I know, but it feels very different, somehow. Perhaps it's the placebo effect but I'd rather use Brainfish than Stockfish dev.

It was the same for CFish, it was just some faster Stockfish, very "vanilla", so at some point Stockfish dev's improvements caught up to it and surpassed it so it didn't make sense to use it anymore. And yet my performance was best with CFish (and I continued to use CFishR from December 2019 until last week

)

It may be luck, but I still recommend people to test many derivatives to see what works best for them, even if they're supposed to be basically the same. Even if the numbers don't match (like, higher nodes per second and depth but worse performance? Avoid!)

Glarean · Post by **Glarean** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:04 am

Ovyron wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:45 pmI'm looking forward to that position that shows Eman's author's job.

Here are some top shots of Eman. These and many other puzzles, where other engines have problems, are solved by Eman within a few seconds:

r2bbrk1/1q4pn/2np1p1p/2pNpP2/ppP1P1PP/3P1BQ1/PP1BNR2/R5K1 w - - 0 23
[pgn][Event "www.glarean-magazin.ch 2020"]
[Site "Glarean Magazin"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Eman-TopShots"]
[Black "Eman 5.6 vs Xiphos 0.6"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann & Comp-Analyse"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r2bbrk1/1q4pn/2np1p1p/2pNpP2/ppP1P1PP/3P1BQ1/PP1BNR2/R5K1 w - - 0 23"]
[PlyCount "9"]

23. Kh1 $1 Bf7 (23... Ne7 24. g5 fxg5 25. hxg5 hxg5 26. Ne3 $18) 24. Rg1 a3 (
24... Qc8 25. Qh3 $18) 25. b3 Na7 (25... Re8 26. g5 fxg5 27. Qh3 $18) 26. Qh3
Bxd5 (26... Qd7 27. Rh2 $18) 27. exd5 $18 *[/pgn]

r1bqr1k1/3n1ppp/p2p1b2/3N1PP1/1p1B1P2/1P6/1PP1Q2P/2KR2R1 w - - 0 20
[pgn][Event "www.glarean-magazin.ch 2020"]
[Site "Glarean Magazin"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Eman-TopShots"]
[Black "Nijboer vs Winants (W.A.Zee 1988)"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann & Comp-Analyse"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1bqr1k1/3n1ppp/p2p1b2/3N1PP1/1p1B1P2/1P6/1PP1Q2P/2KR2R1 w - - 0 20"]
[PlyCount "13"]

20. Qxe8+ $1 (20. Bxf6 $2 Rxe2 21. Bxd8 Bb7 $11) 20... Qxe8 21. gxf6 g6 22.
Ne7+ Kf8 23. Rd3 Nxf6 24. Bxf6 Qb5 25. Rgd1 Bxf5 (25... Bb7 26. Rxd6 Re8 27.
Rd7 Qb6 28. Bg5 gxf5 29. Nxf5 $18) (25... Qa5 26. Kb1 Bxf5 27. Rd5 Bxc2+ 28.
Kxc2 Qc7+ 29. Kb1 Re8 30. Re1 $18) 26. Rd5 $18 *[/pgn]

8/3R4/p4rk1/2R5/3p4/1P2n1K1/8/8 b - - 0 65
[pgn][Event "www.glarean-magazin.ch 2020"]
[Site "Glarean Magazin"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Eman-TopShots"]
[Black "Schramm vs Zhak, Corr 2013 (Var.)"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann & Comp-Analyse"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/3R4/p4rk1/2R5/3p4/1P2n1K1/8/8 b - - 0 65"]
[PlyCount "11"]

65... Nf1+ $1 (65... Kh6 $6 66. Rc8 Rf1 (66... Kg5 67. Rg8+ Kf5 (67... Kh6 68.
Rdd8 $18) 68. Rxd4 Ke5 69. Rb4 $18) 67. Rdd8 Nf5+ (67... Kg5 68. Rc5+ $18) 68.
Kg2 $18) 66. Kh3 Nd2 67. Kg4 Ne4 68. Re5 Nf2+ 69. Kg3 Nd3 70. Ra5 Rb6 $14 *[/pgn]

MikeB · Post by **MikeB** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:38 am

I have no idea how well other engines handle the positions below.

[d]r2bbrk1/1q4pn/2np1p1p/2pNpP2/ppP1P1PP/3P1BQ1/PP1BNR2/R5K1 w - - 0 23
Honey XI-r2 by M. Byrne and scores of others...
s t 60
info string Hash Table: Windows Large Pages, 256 Mb
Confirmation: Threads set to 60
s h 32768
info string Hash Table: Windows Large Pages, 32768 Mb
Confirmation: Hash set to 32768 Mb
p f r2bbrk1/1q4pn/2np1p1p/2pNpP2/ppP1P1PP/3P1BQ1/PP1BNR2/R5K1 w - - 0 23
s z c:/syzygy
info string Found 510 tablebases
Confirmation: SyzygyPath set to c:/syzygy
g mt 300
...
info 20 seconds
info depth 31 seldepth 53 multipv 1 score cp 148 nodes 1639352252 nps 81959416 hashfull 292 tbhits 183 time 20002 pv a1f1
info depth 32 seldepth 57 multipv 1 score cp 200 nodes 2409475058 nps 81247472 hashfull 437 tbhits 348 time 29656 pv g1h1 e8f7 a1g1 b7c8 f2h2 f7d5 e4d5 c6d4 e2d4 e5d4 h2e2 c8d7 e2e6 d8e7 d2f4 f8e8 f4d6 e7d6 e6d6 d7c7 d6c6 c7g3 g1g3 a8c8 h1h2 h7f8 f3d1 a4a3 b2a3 b4a3 c6c8 e8c8 d5d6 h6h5 g4h5

info 30 seconds
info depth 32 seldepth 57 multipv 1 score cp 200 nodes 2437337423 nps 81239164 hashfull 441 tbhits 349 time 30002 pv g1h1 e8f7 a1g1 b7c8 f2h2 f7d5 e4d5 c6d4 e2d4 e5d4 h2e2 c8d7 e2e6 d8e7 d2f4 f8e8 f4d6 e7d6 e6d6 d7c7 d6c6 c7g3 g1g3 a8c8 h1h2 h7f8 f3d1 a4a3 b2a3 b4a3 c6c8 e8c8 d5d6 h6h5 g4h5

[d]r1bqr1k1/3n1ppp/p2p1b2/3N1PP1/1p1B1P2/1P6/1PP1Q2P/2KR2R1 w - - 0 20

Honey XI-r2 by M. Byrne and scores of others...
s t 60
info string Hash Table: Windows Large Pages, 256 Mb
Confirmation: Threads set to 60
s h 32768
info string Hash Table: Windows Large Pages, 32768 Mb
Confirmation: Hash set to 32768 Mb
p f r1bqr1k1/3n1ppp/p2p1b2/3N1PP1/1p1B1P2/1P6/1PP1Q2P/2KR2R1 w - - 0 20
s z c:/syzygy
info string Found 510 tablebases
Confirmation: SyzygyPath set to c:/syzygy
g mt 300
...
info depth 28 seldepth 47 multipv 1 score cp 55 nodes 148509331 nps 93933795 hashfull 25 tbhits 11418 time 1581 pv d4f6 e8e2 f6d8 c8b7 d8c7 a8c8 d1d2 b7d5 d2e2 c8c7 g1d1 d5b3 d1d3 b3a4 d3d6 d7f8 f5f6 a4b5 e2d2 g7f6 g5f6 f8d7 d2d4 a6a5 d6d5 b5c6 d5a5 c6f3 a5b5 d7f6 b5b4 g8g7 b4c4 c7c4 d4c4 f6d5
info depth 29 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 128 nodes 265900425 nps 93069802 hashfull 48 tbhits 16514 time 2857 pv e2e8 d8e8 g5f6 g7g6 d1e1 e8d8 h2h4 d7c5 f5g6 f7g6 h4h5 c8f5 h5g6 h7g6 g1h1 c5e4 f6f7 g8f8 h1h8 f8f7 h8h7 f7f8 e1h1 d8a5 h7h8 f8f7 h1h7 f7e6 d5c7 a5c7 h7c7 a8h8 d4h8 e4g3 c7a7 g3e2 c1d2 e2f4 a7a6 f4d5 h8d4 e6d7 a6a8 d7e6 a8e8 e6f7 e8e1 d5e7 d4f2
<snip>

info 10 seconds
info depth 36 seldepth 77 multipv 1 score cp 191 nodes 954876934 nps 95459055 hashfull 172 tbhits 152398 time 10003 pv e2e8 d8e8 g5f6 g7g6 d1e1 e8d8 h2h4 d7c5 f5g6 f7g6 h4h5 c8f5 h5g6 h7g6 g1h1 c5e4 f6f7 g8f8 h1h8 f8f7 h8h7 f7f8 e1h1 d8a5 h7h8 f8f7 h1h7 f7e6 d5c7 a5c7 h7c7 a8h8 d4h8 e4g3 c7c6 g3e2 c1d2 e2f4 c6a6 f4d5 h8g7 e6e7 g7h6 f5h3 c2c4 b4c3 b2c3 d5c7 a6a7 e7d7 h6f4 d7c6 c3c4 g6g5 f4g5 d6d5 d2c3 d5c4 b3c4 h3f1 g5f4 c7e6

[d]8/3R4/p4rk1/2R5/3p4/1P2n1K1/8/8 b - - 0 65
Honey XI-r2 by M. Byrne and scores of others...
s t 60
info string Hash Table: Windows Large Pages, 256 Mb
Confirmation: Threads set to 60
s h 32768
info string Hash Table: Windows Large Pages, 32768 Mb
Confirmation: Hash set to 32768 Mb
p f 8/3R4/p4rk1/2R5/3p4/1P2n1K1/8/8 b - - 0 65
s z c:/syzygy
info string Found 510 tablebases
Confirmation: SyzygyPath set to c:/syzygy
g mt 300

info 30 seconds
info depth 37 seldepth 75 multipv 1 score cp -212 nodes 3171932615 nps 105724038 hashfull 397 tbhits 62076403 time 30002 pv g6h6 c5c8 f6f1 d7d8 h6g5 c8c5 e3f5 g3g2 f1f4 c5a5 g5g4 d8g8 g4h4 g2h2 f5h6 g8h8 f4f6 a5d5 h4g4 d5d4 g4f3 h2g1 f6b6 h8f8 f3e3 d4h4 e3e2 f8f2 e2e3 g1f1 b6g6 f2f8 h6g4 f8d8 g6f6 f1e1 g4e5 e1d1 e5c6 d8d5 a6a5 d1c1 f6f2 h4h8 e3e4 d5d2 f2f3 c1b2 c6e5 h8h4 e4f5 d2d5 f5e6
info depth 38 seldepth 79 multipv 1 score cp -191 nodes 3674083245 nps 105969924 hashfull 448 tbhits 71391070 time 34671 pv g6h6 c5c8 h6g6 c8g8 g6f5 d7d4 f5e5 d4b4 e3f5 g3h3 f5d4 h3g2 f6d6 g8g5 e5e4 g5g3 e4d5 g3d3 d5e4 d3c3 e4d5 g2f2 d6f6 f2e3 d4b5 c3c4 f6f1 c4h4 f1b1 h4h6 b5a3 b4b6 d5c5 h6c6 c5d5 c6c3 a3b5 c3d3 d5c5 b6a6 b1h1 e3f2 b5c7 a6a4 h1h6 a4c4 c5b6 d3d8 c7a6 f2g3 h6e6 g3f4 e6h6 f4g5 h6h3 d8d6 b6b5

info 40 seconds
info depth 38 seldepth 68 multipv 1 score cp -211 nodes 4245389312 nps 106129426 hashfull 499 tbhits 83115657 time 40002 pv g6h6
info depth 39 seldepth 70 multipv 1 score cp -222 nodes 4720874302 nps 106340368 hashfull 540 tbhits 92114475 time 44394 pv e3f1 g3h3 f1d2 h3g4 f6e6 c5g5 g6f6 g5f5 f6g6 b3b4 d2e4 g4f4 e4d6 f5f8 e6e4 f4g3 e4e6 g3g2 d4d3 f8d8 e6e2 g2g3 d6e4 g3f4 d3d2 d8b8 e4f6 d7d6 g6f7 b8b7 f7g6 f4f3 e2h2 f3e3 g6f5 d6d2 h2h3 e3e2 f5e6 b7b6 e6e5 e2d1 f6d5 b6b8 e5e6 d1c2 h3h5 d2d4 e6d7 b8a8 d7c7 a8a6 c7b7 a6a5 h5h2 c2d1 d5c3 d1e1 b7b6 a5c5 c3b5

info 50 seconds
info depth 39 seldepth 74 multipv 1 score cp -241 nodes 5325212321 nps 106499986 hashfull 583 tbhits 103840750 time 50002 pv e3f1 g3h3
info depth 40 seldepth 76 multipv 1 score cp -220 nodes 5519194988 nps 106591378 hashfull 596 tbhits 107190140 time 51779 pv e3f1 g3h3 f1d2 h3g4 f6e6 c5g5 g6f6 g5f5 f6g6 b3b4 d2c4 g4f4 c4d6 f5f8 e6e4 f4g3 e4e6 g3g2 d4d3 f8d8 e6e2 g2g3 d6e4 g3f4 d3d2 d8b8 e4f6 d7d6 g6f7 b8b7 f7g6 f4f3 e2h2 f3e3 g6f5 d6d2 h2h3 e3e2 h3h4 d2d6 f5e5 d6a6 f6d5 b4b5 h4h2 e2f3 h2h3 f3g4 h3c3 b7b8 c3b3

Ovyron · Post by **Ovyron** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:37 am

Yeah, so, Eman's code that helps it finds those moves could have came from Honey XI-r2 by M. Byrne. We'll never know.

corres · Post by **corres** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:20 am

Ovyron wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:37 am Yeah, so, Eman's code that helps it finds those moves could have came from Honey XI-r2 by M. Byrne. We'll never know.

I am afraid specialized engines are slower and because of this weaker than Stockfish, the real Number One.

Glarean · Post by **Glarean** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:24 am

MikeB wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:38 am [d]8/3R4/p4rk1/2R5/3p4/1P2n1K1/8/8 b - - 0 65
Honey XI-r2 by M. Byrne and scores of others...
s t 60
info string Hash Table: Windows Large Pages, 256 Mb
Confirmation: Threads set to 60
s h 32768
info string Hash Table: Windows Large Pages, 32768 Mb
Confirmation: Hash set to 32768 Mb
p f 8/3R4/p4rk1/2R5/3p4/1P2n1K1/8/8 b - - 0 65
s z c:/syzygy
info string Found 510 tablebases
Confirmation: SyzygyPath set to c:/syzygy
g mt 300

info 40 seconds
info depth 38 seldepth 68 multipv 1 score cp -211 nodes 4245389312 nps 106129426 hashfull 499 tbhits 83115657 time 40002 pv g6h6
info depth 39 seldepth 70 multipv 1 score cp -222 nodes 4720874302 nps 106340368 hashfull 540 tbhits 92114475 time 44394 pv e3f1 ...

60 Threads? Wow...

Nevertheless I am afraid that your Honey would have no chance in a match against Eman

Because I have only 16 threads here, on a simple Ryzen7, but I get after only 23 sec. (!) the solution:

Eman-TopShots - Schramm vs Zhak (Corr-Game-Line), www.glarean-magazin.ch 2020:
8/3R4/p4rk1/2R5/3p4/1P2n1K1/8/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Eman 5.4 (16Threads/Ryzen7-2700x/5-men-Syzygy/Fritz17):

65...Kh6 66.Tc8
Weiss steht etwas besser: +/= (0.61) Tiefe: 10/19 00:00:00

Weiss steht besser: +/- (1.04 --) Tiefe: 33/57 00:00:19 416MN, tb=6549121
65...Sf1+ 66.Kh3 Sd2 67.Kg4 Se4
Weiss steht besser: +/- (0.92 ++) Tiefe: 33/57 00:00:22 486MN, tb=8259331
Weiss steht besser: +/- (0.84) Tiefe: 41/74 00:01:07 1481MN, tb=28362285

Similar situation with other positions.

Eman rules!

______________________________

BTW: One of my favorite engines of yours is Bluefish - but no chance:

Analysis by Bluefish XR7 FD:
65...Kh6 66.Te5 Kg6 67.Ta5 Kh6 68.Tc5 Kg6 69.Td8
Weiss steht etwas besser: +/= (0.32 ++) Tiefe: 21/115 00:00:10 203MN, tb=2984970
Weiss hat minimalen Vorteil: = (0.26) Tiefe: 29/89 00:01:56 2577MN, tb=35144971

My absolute high end puncher in the above position is the NN monster Leela:

Analysis by Lc0 v0.25.1 (t60-3044):

65...Sf1+ 66.Kh4 Tf4+ 67.Kh3 Sd2 68.b4 Se4 69.Tc6+ Kg5
Weiss steht besser: +/- (0.88) Tiefe: 6/15 00:00:00
Weiss steht besser: +/- (0.75) Tiefe: 21/54 00:01:00 468kN, tb=2254

Greetings: Walter

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Vinvin · Post by **Vinvin** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:51 am

Glarean wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:04 am
Ovyron wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:45 pmI'm looking forward to that position that shows Eman's author's job.
Here are some top shots of Eman. These and many other puzzles, where other engines have problems, are solved by Eman within a few seconds:

...
8/3R4/p4rk1/2R5/3p4/1P2n1K1/8/8 b - - 0 65
[pgn][Event "www.glarean-magazin.ch 2020"]
[Site "Glarean Magazin"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Eman-TopShots"]
[Black "Schramm vs Zhak, Corr 2013 (Var.)"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann & Comp-Analyse"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/3R4/p4rk1/2R5/3p4/1P2n1K1/8/8 b - - 0 65"]
[PlyCount "11"]

65... Nf1+ $1 (65... Kh6 $6 66. Rc8 Rf1 (66... Kg5 67. Rg8+ Kf5 (67... Kh6 68.
Rdd8 $18) 68. Rxd4 Ke5 69. Rb4 $18) 67. Rdd8 Nf5+ (67... Kg5 68. Rc5+ $18) 68.
Kg2 $18) 66. Kh3 Nd2 67. Kg4 Ne4 68. Re5 Nf2+ 69. Kg3 Nd3 70. Ra5 Rb6 $14 *[/pgn]

Could you explain your last position ?
I let analyzed Stockfish, Eman, Honey and Corchess, all think that white is winning at the end of the mainline after 71.Kg4. See below the 3 best moves.
I also tried with Crystal but it's buggy there : 71. ... Kf6 72.Rxd4 Rxb3 73.Rd6+?? Ke7 +-

Position after ... 70. Ra5 Rb6 71. Kg4
[d]8/3R4/pr4k1/R7/3p2K1/1P1n4/8/8 b - - 12 71

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Corchess_V6_x64_modern:
...
 35/60	01:22	 750 382 291	9 061 384	+6,40	71. ... Nf2+ 72.Kf3 Nh3 73.b4 Ng5+ 74.Kf4 Nh3+ 75.Kg3 Ng5 76.Rxd4 Ne6 77.Rh4 Rd6 78.Kf3 Kf7 79.Ke3 Ke7 80.Rh7+ Kf6 81.Rh6+ Kg7 82.Rh4 Kf6 83.Rc4 Ke7 84.Ke4 Rb6 85.Rd5 Nf8 86.Kd3 Ke6 87.Rdc5 Kd7 88.Rd4+ Ke6 89.Rh5 Kf7 90.Rf5+ Ke8 91.Re5+ Ne6 92.Rdd5 Kf7 93.Re4 Ng7 94.Kc4 Kf6 95.Rf4+ Ke7 96.Rfd4 Rb7 97.Rh4 Rb6 98.Kd3 Rg6 99.Re4+ Kf8 100.Kc4
 35/59	01:22	 750 382 291	9 061 384	+5,11	71. ... Kf6 72.Rxd4 Ne5+ 73.Kf4 Ng6+ 74.Ke4 Ne7 75.Rd3 Re6+ 76.Kf4 Ng6+ 77.Kg3 Nf8 78.Rad5 Ke7 79.Kf3 Rb6 80.Ke3 Rc6 81.Kd2 Ng6 82.Rc3 Rf6 83.Re3+ Kf7 84.Rd7+ Kf8 85.Ra7 Nh8 86.Ra8+ Kg7 87.Re7+ Kg6 88.Rxh8 a5
 35/47	01:22	 750 382 291	9 061 384	+4,99	71. ... Nc1 72.Rg5+ Kf6 73.Rxd4 Re6 74.b4 Ne2 75.Rf5+ Ke7 76.Rc4 Rg6+ 77.Kf3 Ng1+ 78.Ke4 Rb6 79.Ke3 a5 80.Rg5 Kd7 81.Rxg1 a4 82.Kd4 Kd6 83.Ra1 Ra6

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Eman 5.60 64-bit POPCNT:
...
 31/49	00:52	 529 968 207	10 037 466	+9,10	71. ... Nc1 72.Rg5+ Kf6 73.Rxd4 Re6 74.b4 Na2 75.Rc5 Rb6 76.Rcc4 Ke7 77.Kf5 Rf6+ 78.Ke5 Re6+ 79.Kd5 Kd7 80.b5 a5 81.Rc6 Re3 82.b6 Ke7 83.Re4+ Kf7 84.Rxe3
 32/66	00:52	 529 968 207	10 037 466	+6,38	71. ... Nf2+ 72.Kf3 Nh3 73.b4 Ng5+ 74.Kf4 Nh3+ 75.Kg3 Ng5 76.Rxd4 Ne6 77.Rc4 Kf7 78.Rd5 Ke7 79.Kf3 Nf8 80.Ke4 Ke6 81.Rcd4 Ng6 82.Ra5 Ne7 83.Rc5 Kf7 84.Kd3 Nc6 85.Rf4+ Ke7 86.Kc3 Nd8 87.Re4+ Ne6 88.Rd5 Kf6 89.Kb3 Nc7 90.Rh5 Kg6 91.Rc5 Ne6 92.Rce5 Nf8 93.Rd5 Rf6 94.Rdd4 Rf3+ 95.Kc4 Kf5 96.Re1 Ng6 97.Rd6 Nf8 98.Rxa6 Rf2
 32/56	00:52	 529 968 207	10 037 466	+5,96	71. ... Kf6 72.Rxd4 Ne5+ 73.Kf4 Ng6+ 74.Ke4 Ne7 75.Ra3 Nc6 76.Rd2 Ke6 77.Kd3 Kd7 78.Kc3+ Kc8 79.Rd6 Kb7 80.Rd7+ Ka8 81.Ra4 Nb8 82.Rf7 Rg6 83.Kb2 Rg2+ 84.Ka3 Rg6 85.Re4 Rd6 86.Ree7 Nc6 87.Re8+ Nb8 88.Rg8 Re6 89.Kb4 Rb6+ 90.Kc3 a5 91.Rgg7 Ra6 92.Rg4 Re6 93.Kb2 Rb6 94.Ka3 Rc6

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Stockfish_20060117_x64_modern:
...
 31/45	01:26	 936 785 479	10 812 514	+12,89	71. ... Nc1 72.Rg5+ Kf6 73.Rxd4 Ke7 74.b4 Na2 75.Re5+ Kf6 76.Ree4 Nc3 77.Re1 Kg7 78.Rc1 Ne2 79.Rc7+ Kf6 80.Re4 Ng1 81.Rc5 Kf7 82.Rg5 Rb7 83.Rf5+ Kg6 84.Ra5 Rb6 85.Ra1 Kh7 86.Kg3 Rg6+ 87.Rg4 Re6 88.Rh4+ Kg7 89.Rxg1 Kf7 90.Rf4+ Ke7 91.Kf3 Kd7 92.Rg7+ Kd6 93.Rgf7
 31/63	01:26	 936 785 479	10 812 514	+10,03	71. ... Nf2+ 72.Kf3 Nh3 73.b4 Ng5+ 74.Kf4 Nh3+ 75.Kg3 Ng5 76.Rxd4 Nf7 77.Kf4 Re6 78.Re4 Rb6 79.Ke3 Nd8 80.Rd5 Ne6 81.Rc4 Kf6 82.Kd3 Kg7 83.Re4 Rc6 84.Rh4 Rc1 85.Ra5 Rd1+ 86.Kc3 Rd6 87.Kc4 Kf8 88.Rf5+ Ke7 89.Rd5 Rc6+ 90.Kd3 Nf8 91.Rg4 Ng6 92.Re4+ Kf6 93.Rc5 Rd6+ 94.Kc4 Rb6 95.Kc3 Rd6
 31/66	01:26	 936 785 479	10 812 514	+5,45	71. ... Kf6 72.Rxd4 Ne5+ 73.Kf4 Ng6+ 74.Ke4 Ne7 75.Rd3 Re6+ 76.Kf4 Rb6 77.Rf3 Nc6 78.Rf5+ Ke6 79.Re3+ Kd7 80.Rf7+ Kd6 81.Rf6+ Kd7 82.Rc3 Rb4+ 83.Rc4 Rb6 84.Ke4 a5 85.Kf4 Kc7 86.Kf5 Kd7 87.Ke4 Ra6 88.Ke3 Kc7 89.Kd3 Kd7 90.Kc3 Kc7 91.Rh4 Ra8 92.Rhh6 Ne5 93.Rh7+ Nd7 94.Rff7 Rd8 95.Kc4 a4 96.bxa4 Kc8 97.Kb5 Kc7 98.a5 Kd6 99.a6 Rb8+ 100.Ka5 Ne5

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Honey-XI:
...
 32/40	02:16	1 124 312 960	8 213 558	+5,70	71. ... Nc1 72.Rg5+ Kf6 73.Rxd4 Re6 74.b4 Ne2 75.Rf5+ Ke7 76.Rc4 Rg6+ 77.Kf3 Ng1+ 78.Ke3 Nh3 79.Rh4 Ng5 80.Rg4 Re6+ 81.Kf4 Nh3+ 82.Kg3 Ng1 83.Kf2 Nh3+ 84.Kg2 Rh6 85.Rf3 Ng5 86.Rxg5 Kd6 87.Rh3 Re6 88.Ra5 Kc7
 33/50	02:16	1 124 312 960	8 213 558	+3,92	71. ... Nf2+ 72.Kf3 Nh3 73.b4 d3 74.Rdd5 d2 75.Kg3 d1Q 76.Rxd1 Ng5 77.Rd4 Ne6 78.Rg4+ Kf6 79.Kf2 Rd6 80.Ke3 Ke7 81.Rc4 Nd8 82.Ra2 Rb6 83.Rd2 Ne6 84.Rd5 Kf6 85.Re4 Nc7 86.Rh5 Kg6 87.Rc5 Ne6 88.Kd3 Nd8 89.Rd5 Ne6 90.Rg4+ Kf6 91.Rh5 Rb8 92.Ra5 Ra8 93.Rh4 Nc7 94.Rc5 Nb5 95.Kc4
 33/62	02:16	1 124 312 960	8 213 558	+3,91	71. ... Kf6 72.Rxd4 Ne5+ 73.Kf4 Ng6+ 74.Ke4 Ne7 75.Ra3 Ke6 76.Rda4 Nc6 77.Rxa6 Rb4+ 78.Kd3 Kd6 79.R6a4 Rb5 80.Kc3 Kc7 81.Ra1 Rh5 82.Rc4 Kb6 83.Rd1 Ne7 84.Re4 Nc6 85.Rd7 Kc5 86.Rc4+ Kb5 87.Kb2 Rh6 88.Rd5+ Kb6 89.Rd1 Na7 90.Rd8 Nc6 91.Rd5 Ka6 92.Ka3 Kb6 93.Rf4 Ne7 94.Rb4+ Kc6 95.Rdd4 Kc7 96.Rdc4+ Nc6

corres · Post by **corres** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:51 pm

Glarean wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:24 am ...
Nevertheless I am afraid that your Honey would have no chance in a match against Eman
Because I have only 16 threads here, on a simple Ryzen7, but I get after only 23 sec. (!) the solution:
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Sorry but analyzing a position is one thing and play matches is another.
I propose you to run Eman-Honey match in correct circumstances, that is no HT and no turbo but the same opening positions and TC.

Glarean · Post by **Glarean** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:02 pm

Vinvin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:51 am Could you explain your last position ?
I let analyzed Stockfish, Eman, Honey and Corchess, all think that white is winning at the end of the mainline after 71.Kg4...

As soon as I have more time again, I will analyze the continuation or the final evaluation even more closely. It is possible that the game was not played optimally at an earlier point.
But at the moment I still assume that 65... Nf1 is the best move in the position.

Vinvin · Post by **Vinvin** » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:00 pm

Glarean wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:02 pm
Vinvin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:51 am Could you explain your last position ?
I let analyzed Stockfish, Eman, Honey and Corchess, all think that white is winning at the end of the mainline after 71.Kg4...
As soon as I have more time again, I will analyze the continuation or the final evaluation even more closely. It is possible that the game was not played optimally at an earlier point.
But at the moment I still assume that 65... Nf1 is the best move in the position.

Where does the eval "⩲" at the end of your mainline come from ?

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