Bf6!! difficult move....

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Re: Bf6!! difficult move....

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r1b1r1k1/p2q1ppp/np2n3/3p1NBQ/8/6PB/P4P1P/1R2R1K1 w - -
E6600 @ 3GHz
Engine: Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit (512 MB) by Vasik Rajlich (1 processor used)
16.01 1:19 +0.21 1.Qh4 Bb7 2.Nxg7 Nxg5 3.Qxg5 Rxe1+ 4.Rxe1 f6 5.Qh5 Qxg7 6.Re8+ Rxe8 7.Qxe8+ Qf8 (11.295.306) 144
16.47 3:31 +0.46 1.Re3 d4 2.Nxg7 Nxg7 3.Bxd7 dxe3 4.Qh3 Bxd7 5.Qxd7 Nc5 6.Qg4 exf2+ 7.Kxf2 Ne4+ (28.301.346) 137
17.01 3:54 +0.33 1.Re3 d4 2.Nxg7 Nxg7 3.Bxd7 dxe3 4.Qh3 Bxd7 5.Qxd7 exf2+ 6.Kxf2 Nc5 7.Qg4 h5 (30.977.365) 135
17.39 11:44 +1.35 1.Rbd1 f6 2.Rxd5 Qf7 3.Qxf7+ Kxf7 4.Nd6+ Kf8 5.Bxf6 Nac7 6.Rh5 gxf6 7.Nxe8 Kxe8 (87.511.616) 127
18.01 13:16 +1.54 1.Rbd1 f6 2.Rxd5 Qf7 3.Qxf7+ Kxf7 4.Bc1 Kg6 5.Nd6 Nd8 6.Rxe8 Bxh3 7.Nb5 Rc8 (97.756.829) 125
19.01 16:01 +1.47 1.Rbd1 f6 2.Rxd5 Qf7 3.Qxf7+ Kxf7 4.Bc1 Kg6 5.Nd6 Nd8 6.Rxe8 Bxh3 7.Nb5 Rc8 (117.800.779) 125
19.34 22:30 +3.01 1.Bf6 Nac7 2.Nh6+ Kf8 3.Be5 Re7 4.Nf5 Kg8 5.Qh4 f6 6.Nxe7+ Qxe7 7.Bxc7 Qf7 (162.451.621) 123
20.01 25:47 +3.15 1.Bf6 Nac7 2.Nh6+ Kf8 3.Be5 Re7 4.Nf5 Kg8 5.Qh4 f6 6.Nxe7+ Qxe7 7.Bxc7 Qf7 (184.512.432) 122
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Re: Bf6!! difficult move....Great...

Post by Terry McCracken »

Alessandro Scotti wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:Programs are dumb...but they're tireless. That's why I say they are not as strong as strong GM, but they don't tire, they don't blunder, but niether does a simple calculator.
Now we shouldn't generalize, eh? In addition to being as dumb as a coconut, my programs do tire and blunder more often than not, which as you can imagine is a difficult feature to put in! :-)
:lol:

Well then, you may very well have a market for the average player who would like to win a few games :wink:

Best,
Terry
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Re: Bf6!! difficult move....

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Terry McCracken wrote: I insist! :wink: If you have the time and can find out who played this, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
It has been played before 5 days:

[Event "Canadian Open"]
[Site "Ottawa CAN"]
[Date "2007.07.14"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Chanda Sandipan"]
[Black "Sergei Tiviakov"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E17"]
[WhiteElo "2563"]
[BlackElo "2648"]
[PlyCount "59"]
[EventDate "2007.07.07"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Bb7 5. Bg2 Be7 6. O-O O-O 7. d5 exd5 8. Nh4
c6 9. cxd5 Nxd5 10. Nf5 Nc7 11. e4 d5 12. Nc3 Bf6 13. exd5 cxd5 14. Bf4 Nba6
15. Re1 Qd7 16. Bh3 Ne6 17. Ne4 Bxb2 18. Rb1 Bc8 19. Ng5 Bf6 20. Qh5 Bxg5 21.
Bxg5 Re8 22. Bf6 gxf6 23. Qh6 Nac5 24. Rbd1 Qb7 25. Rd4 Ne4 26. Rexe4 dxe4 27.
Qxf6 Qc7 28. Nh6+ Kf8 29. Qh8+ Ke7 30. Nf5# 1-0
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"Is it a boy or girl?"
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Re: Bf6!! difficult move....

Post by Terry McCracken »

Thanks very much!

Terry
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Re: Bf6!! difficult move....

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George Tsavdaris wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote: I insist! :wink: If you have the time and can find out who played this, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
It has been played before 5 days:

[Event "Canadian Open"]
[Site "Ottawa CAN"]
[Date "2007.07.14"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Chanda Sandipan"]
[Black "Sergei Tiviakov"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E17"]
[WhiteElo "2563"]
[BlackElo "2648"]
[PlyCount "59"]
[EventDate "2007.07.07"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Bb7 5. Bg2 Be7 6. O-O O-O 7. d5 exd5 8. Nh4
c6 9. cxd5 Nxd5 10. Nf5 Nc7 11. e4 d5 12. Nc3 Bf6 13. exd5 cxd5 14. Bf4 Nba6
15. Re1 Qd7 16. Bh3 Ne6 17. Ne4 Bxb2 18. Rb1 Bc8 19. Ng5 Bf6 20. Qh5 Bxg5 21.
Bxg5 Re8 22. Bf6 gxf6 23. Qh6 Nac5 24. Rbd1 Qb7 25. Rd4 Ne4 26. Rexe4 dxe4 27.
Qxf6 Qc7 28. Nh6+ Kf8 29. Qh8+ Ke7 30. Nf5# 1-0
Here I thought this might be a Correspondence Game! Very Deep Combo!

Thanks George
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Re: Bf6!! difficult move....

Post by BBauer »

This is what glaurung2-epsilon/2 gave on a AMD X2 5200+
Glaurung needs 1:18 min

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FEN: r1b1r1k1/p2q1ppp/np2n3/3p1NBQ/8/6PB/P4P1P/1R2R1K1 w - - 0 1 

Glaurung_win_64:
   2	00:01	         597	434	-0,82	Bg5d2 Na6c5
   3	00:01	       1.482	1.065	-0,52	Bg5d2 g7g6 Nf5h6+ Kg8f8
   4	00:01	       4.011	2.850	-0,86	Bg5d2 Na6c5 Bd2c3 d5d4
   4	00:01	       8.736	6.208	-0,76	Re1e2 d5d4 Rb1e1 Bc8b7
   5	00:01	      26.296	16.182	-0,49	Re1e2 g7g6 Nf5h6+ Kg8f8 Qh5h4 Na6c5
   5	00:01	      35.052	20.029	-0,29	Re1e5 h7h6 Bg5xh6 g7xh6 Nf5xh6+ Kg8f8 Re5xd5
   5	00:01	      52.247	29.584	-0,05	Nf5xg7 Kg8xg7 Bh3f5 Kg7f8 Qh5h6+ Kf8g8 Bf5xh7+ Kg8h8
   6	00:01	      63.618	35.700	+0,49	Nf5xg7 Ne6xg7 Bh3xd7 Re8xe1+ Rb1xe1 Ng7xh5 Re1e8+ Kg8g7 Bd7xc8
   7	00:01	      74.968	39.312	+0,03	Nf5xg7 Ne6xg7 Bh3xd7 Re8xe1+ Rb1xe1 Ng7xh5 Re1e8+ Kg8g7 Bd7xc8 Na6c5
   8	00:02	     147.931	73.378	+0,11	Nf5xg7 Ne6xg7 Bh3xd7 Re8xe1+ Rb1xe1 Ng7xh5 Re1e8+ Kg8g7 Bd7xc8 Na6c5 Kg1g2
   9	00:02	     282.835	134.045	-0,47	Nf5xg7 Ne6xg7 Bh3xd7 Re8xe1+ Rb1xe1 Ng7xh5 Re1e8+ Kg8g7 Bd7xc8 Nh5f6 Re8d8 Na6c5
   9	00:03	     650.449	222.604	+0,23	Re1e2 g7g6 Qh5h4 g6xf5 Bh3xf5 f7f6 Bg5xf6 Na6c5 Rb1e1
  10	00:03	     992.813	265.813	+0,17	Re1e2 g7g6 Qh5h4 h7h5 Nf5h6+ Kg8h8 Bh3xe6 Re8xe6 Qh4d4+ Kh8h7 Rb1e1 Re6xe2 Re1xe2 Na6c5
  11	00:07	   4.481.858	591.352	-0,33	Re1e2 Qd7c7 Bg5f4 Qc7d8 Nf5d6 Re8e7 Nd6xc8 Ra8xc8 Bf4g5 Ne6xg5 Re2xe7 Qd8xe7 Bh3xc8
  11	00:09	   7.436.918	757.863	+0,66	Qh5h4 Qd7c7 Nf5e7+ Re8xe7 Bg5xe7 h7h6 Bh3f5 Ne6g5 Qh4g4 Qc7c4 Bf5xc8 Ra8xc8 Qg4f5
  12	00:11	   9.709.348	830.710	+0,50	Qh5h4 Qd7c7 Nf5e7+ Re8xe7 Bg5xe7 h7h6 Be7a3 Na6c5 Bh3f5 Bc8a6 Ba3b2 Ba6d3 Bb2e5
  13	00:18	  20.443.382	1.090.313	+0,07	Qh5h4 Bc8b7 Nf5xg7 Ne6xg5 Re1xe8+ Qd7xe8 Qh4xg5 h7h6 Qg5xh6 Qe8f8 Ng7f5 Qf8xh6 Nf5xh6+ Kg8f8 Nh6f5 Na6c5
  13	00:42	  56.925.489	1.338.919	+0,70	Nf5h6+ Kg8f8 Bg5f4 g7xh6 Bf4xh6+ Kf8e7 Rb1d1 Bc8b7 Re1e5 Na6c5 Re5xd5 Bb7xd5 Rd1xd5 Qd7b7 Bh3g4
  14	01:09	 101.788.434	1.471.845	+0,15	Nf5h6+ Kg8f8 Nh6f5 Kf8g8 Qh5h4 Bc8b7 Nf5xg7 Ne6xg5 Re1xe8+ Qd7xe8 Qh4xg5 h7h6 Qg5xh6 Qe8f8 Ng7f5 Qf8xh6 Nf5xh6+ Kg8g7 Nh6f5+ Kg7f6
  14	01:18	 116.926.664	1.494.556	+0,74	Bg5f6 g7xf6 Nf5h6+ Kg8f8 Nh6g4 Kf8e7 Qh5h4 Qd7a4 Qh4xf6+ Ke7d7 Qf6xf7+ Kd7d8 Qf7f6+ Re8e7 Ng4e5 Qa4e8 Bh3xe6 Bc8xe6 Rb1c1
  15	01:35	 145.596.712	1.527.564	+1,03	Bg5f6 g7xf6 Nf5h6+ Kg8f8 Nh6g4 Kf8e7 Qh5h4 Qd7a4 Qh4xf6+ Ke7d7 Qf6xf7+ Kd7d8 Qf7f6+ Re8e7 Ng4e5 Qa4e8 Re1d1 Kd8c7 Rd1xd5
  16	03:21	 344.678.575	1.708.571	+1,78	Bg5f6 g7g6 Qh5f3 Kg8f8 Nf5g7 Na6c5 Ng7xe8 Kf8xe8 Bh3f1 Bc8a6 Bf1xa6 Nc5xa6 Re1e5 Na6c7 Qf3a3 Nc7b5 Qa3b4
  17	05:00	 538.832.124	1.794.049	+2,19	Bg5f6 g7g6 Nf5h6+ Kg8f8 Qh5f3 Qd7c6 Bh3f1 Na6c7 Bf6e5 f7f5 Qf3a3+ Re8e7 Be5d6 Qc6d7 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rb1c1 Ra8e8 Bd6xe7+ Re8xe7
  18	11:58	1.337.029.135	1.861.872	+4,27	Bg5f6 g7g6 Qh5h6 Na6c5 Rb1b4 Nc5e4 Re1xe4 d5xe4 Rb4d4 Re8d8 Rd4xd7 Rd8xd7 Nf5e7+ Rd7xe7 Bh3xe6 f7xe6 Bf6xe7 Bc8a6 Be7f6 Kg8f7 Qh6g7+ Kf7e8 Qg7xh7
  19	28:53	3.370.338.578	1.944.377	+4,80	Bg5f6 Na6c7 Nf5h6+ Kg8f8 Bf6e5 g7g6 Qh5f3 Ne6g5 Qf3a3+ Qd7e7 Be5d6 Ng5xh3+ Kg1g2 Qe7xd6 Qa3xd6+ Kf8g7 Qd6xc7 Nh3g5 Re1xe8 Bc8h3+ Kg2g1 Ra8xe8 f2f4 Kg7xh6 f4xg5+ Kh6xg5 Qc7xa7

kind regards
Bernhard
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Re: Bf6!! difficult move....

Post by BBauer »

This is free rybka 64 bit version
took 33:31min to find Bf6
Machine: AMD X2 5200+ 1 proc

Code: Select all

FEN: r1b1r1k1/p2q1ppp/np2n3/3p1NBQ/8/6PB/P4P1P/1R2R1K1 w - - 0 1 

Rybkav1.0Beta.x64:
   3	00:00	       1.024	61.680	+0,33	Qh5g4
   4	00:00	       2.504	53.418	-0,03	Qh5g4
   4	00:00	       2.967	63.296	+0,08	Bg5d2
   4	00:00	       3.372	53.952	+0,32	Nf5xg7
   5	00:00	       4.936	53.204	+0,28	Nf5xg7 Ne6xg7
   6	00:00	       7.710	71.126	-0,18	Nf5xg7 Ne6xg7 Bh3xd7
   6	00:00	      19.428	79.260	 0,00	Re1xe6 f7xe6 Nf5xg7
   6	00:00	      26.014	80.722	+0,46	Qh5h4 Na6c5 Nf5e7+ Kg8h8
   7	00:00	      35.479	79.847	-0,02	Qh5h4 Na6c5 Nf5e7+ Kg8h8 Bh3f5
   8	00:01	      93.989	94.635	-0,02	Qh5h4 Na6c5 Nf5e7+ Kg8h8 Bh3f5 Ne6xg5
   9	00:04	     357.625	98.443	+0,37	Qh5h4 Bc8b7 Nf5e7+ Re8xe7 Bg5xe7 Na6c5 Bh3f5 g7g6
  10	00:05	     517.669	101.550	+0,36	Qh5h4 Bc8b7 Nf5e7+ Re8xe7 Bg5xe7 Na6c5 Rb1c1 Ra8c8 Bh3f5
  11	00:10	   1.043.542	115.949	+0,39	Qh5h4 Bc8b7 Nf5xg7 Ne6xg5 Re1xe8+ Qd7xe8 Qh4xg5 h7h6 Qg5xh6
  12	00:18	   1.920.505	112.970	+0,63	Qh5h4 Bc8b7 Nf5xg7 Ne6xg5 Re1xe8+ Qd7xe8 Qh4xg5 h7h6 Qg5xh6 Qe8f8
  13	00:30	   3.335.119	115.004	+0,44	Qh5h4 Bc8b7 Nf5xg7 Ne6xg5 Qh4xg5 Re8xe1+ Rb1xe1 f7f6 Qg5xf6 Qd7xg7
  14	01:03	   7.224.043	118.426	+0,39	Qh5h4 Bc8b7 Nf5xg7 Ne6xg5 Qh4xg5 Re8xe1+ Rb1xe1 f7f6 Qg5xf6 Qd7xg7
  15	03:17	  23.275.129	121.224	+0,58	Qh5h4 Bc8b7 Nf5xg7 Ne6xg5 Qh4xg5 Re8xe1+ Rb1xe1 f7f6 Bh3xd7 f6xg5
  15	05:48	  40.485.611	119.075	+0,71	Re1e3 d5d4 Nf5xg7 Ne6xg7 Bh3xd7 d4xe3 Qh5g4 h7h5 Qg4d4 Bc8xd7
  16	07:43	  53.423.162	118.192	+0,76	Re1e3 d5d4 Nf5xg7 Ne6xg7 Bh3xd7 d4xe3 Qh5g4 h7h5 Qg4d4 Bc8xd7
  17	13:50	  96.443.436	119.065	+0,85	Re1e3 d5d4 Nf5xg7 Ne6xg7
  17	33:31	 229.758.699	117.044	+3,91	Bg5f6 Na6c7 Rb1c1

kind regards
Bernhard
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Re: Bf6!! difficult move....

Post by Terry McCracken »

BBauer wrote:This is what glaurung2-epsilon/2 gave on a AMD X2 5200+
Glaurung needs 1:18 min

Code: Select all

FEN: r1b1r1k1/p2q1ppp/np2n3/3p1NBQ/8/6PB/P4P1P/1R2R1K1 w - - 0 1 

Glaurung_win_64:
   2	00:01	         597	434	-0,82	Bg5d2 Na6c5
   3	00:01	       1.482	1.065	-0,52	Bg5d2 g7g6 Nf5h6+ Kg8f8
   4	00:01	       4.011	2.850	-0,86	Bg5d2 Na6c5 Bd2c3 d5d4
   4	00:01	       8.736	6.208	-0,76	Re1e2 d5d4 Rb1e1 Bc8b7
   5	00:01	      26.296	16.182	-0,49	Re1e2 g7g6 Nf5h6+ Kg8f8 Qh5h4 Na6c5
   5	00:01	      35.052	20.029	-0,29	Re1e5 h7h6 Bg5xh6 g7xh6 Nf5xh6+ Kg8f8 Re5xd5
   5	00:01	      52.247	29.584	-0,05	Nf5xg7 Kg8xg7 Bh3f5 Kg7f8 Qh5h6+ Kf8g8 Bf5xh7+ Kg8h8
   6	00:01	      63.618	35.700	+0,49	Nf5xg7 Ne6xg7 Bh3xd7 Re8xe1+ Rb1xe1 Ng7xh5 Re1e8+ Kg8g7 Bd7xc8
   7	00:01	      74.968	39.312	+0,03	Nf5xg7 Ne6xg7 Bh3xd7 Re8xe1+ Rb1xe1 Ng7xh5 Re1e8+ Kg8g7 Bd7xc8 Na6c5
   8	00:02	     147.931	73.378	+0,11	Nf5xg7 Ne6xg7 Bh3xd7 Re8xe1+ Rb1xe1 Ng7xh5 Re1e8+ Kg8g7 Bd7xc8 Na6c5 Kg1g2
   9	00:02	     282.835	134.045	-0,47	Nf5xg7 Ne6xg7 Bh3xd7 Re8xe1+ Rb1xe1 Ng7xh5 Re1e8+ Kg8g7 Bd7xc8 Nh5f6 Re8d8 Na6c5
   9	00:03	     650.449	222.604	+0,23	Re1e2 g7g6 Qh5h4 g6xf5 Bh3xf5 f7f6 Bg5xf6 Na6c5 Rb1e1
  10	00:03	     992.813	265.813	+0,17	Re1e2 g7g6 Qh5h4 h7h5 Nf5h6+ Kg8h8 Bh3xe6 Re8xe6 Qh4d4+ Kh8h7 Rb1e1 Re6xe2 Re1xe2 Na6c5
  11	00:07	   4.481.858	591.352	-0,33	Re1e2 Qd7c7 Bg5f4 Qc7d8 Nf5d6 Re8e7 Nd6xc8 Ra8xc8 Bf4g5 Ne6xg5 Re2xe7 Qd8xe7 Bh3xc8
  11	00:09	   7.436.918	757.863	+0,66	Qh5h4 Qd7c7 Nf5e7+ Re8xe7 Bg5xe7 h7h6 Bh3f5 Ne6g5 Qh4g4 Qc7c4 Bf5xc8 Ra8xc8 Qg4f5
  12	00:11	   9.709.348	830.710	+0,50	Qh5h4 Qd7c7 Nf5e7+ Re8xe7 Bg5xe7 h7h6 Be7a3 Na6c5 Bh3f5 Bc8a6 Ba3b2 Ba6d3 Bb2e5
  13	00:18	  20.443.382	1.090.313	+0,07	Qh5h4 Bc8b7 Nf5xg7 Ne6xg5 Re1xe8+ Qd7xe8 Qh4xg5 h7h6 Qg5xh6 Qe8f8 Ng7f5 Qf8xh6 Nf5xh6+ Kg8f8 Nh6f5 Na6c5
  13	00:42	  56.925.489	1.338.919	+0,70	Nf5h6+ Kg8f8 Bg5f4 g7xh6 Bf4xh6+ Kf8e7 Rb1d1 Bc8b7 Re1e5 Na6c5 Re5xd5 Bb7xd5 Rd1xd5 Qd7b7 Bh3g4
  14	01:09	 101.788.434	1.471.845	+0,15	Nf5h6+ Kg8f8 Nh6f5 Kf8g8 Qh5h4 Bc8b7 Nf5xg7 Ne6xg5 Re1xe8+ Qd7xe8 Qh4xg5 h7h6 Qg5xh6 Qe8f8 Ng7f5 Qf8xh6 Nf5xh6+ Kg8g7 Nh6f5+ Kg7f6
  14	01:18	 116.926.664	1.494.556	+0,74	Bg5f6 g7xf6 Nf5h6+ Kg8f8 Nh6g4 Kf8e7 Qh5h4 Qd7a4 Qh4xf6+ Ke7d7 Qf6xf7+ Kd7d8 Qf7f6+ Re8e7 Ng4e5 Qa4e8 Bh3xe6 Bc8xe6 Rb1c1
  15	01:35	 145.596.712	1.527.564	+1,03	Bg5f6 g7xf6 Nf5h6+ Kg8f8 Nh6g4 Kf8e7 Qh5h4 Qd7a4 Qh4xf6+ Ke7d7 Qf6xf7+ Kd7d8 Qf7f6+ Re8e7 Ng4e5 Qa4e8 Re1d1 Kd8c7 Rd1xd5
  16	03:21	 344.678.575	1.708.571	+1,78	Bg5f6 g7g6 Qh5f3 Kg8f8 Nf5g7 Na6c5 Ng7xe8 Kf8xe8 Bh3f1 Bc8a6 Bf1xa6 Nc5xa6 Re1e5 Na6c7 Qf3a3 Nc7b5 Qa3b4
  17	05:00	 538.832.124	1.794.049	+2,19	Bg5f6 g7g6 Nf5h6+ Kg8f8 Qh5f3 Qd7c6 Bh3f1 Na6c7 Bf6e5 f7f5 Qf3a3+ Re8e7 Be5d6 Qc6d7 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rb1c1 Ra8e8 Bd6xe7+ Re8xe7
  18	11:58	1.337.029.135	1.861.872	+4,27	Bg5f6 g7g6 Qh5h6 Na6c5 Rb1b4 Nc5e4 Re1xe4 d5xe4 Rb4d4 Re8d8 Rd4xd7 Rd8xd7 Nf5e7+ Rd7xe7 Bh3xe6 f7xe6 Bf6xe7 Bc8a6 Be7f6 Kg8f7 Qh6g7+ Kf7e8 Qg7xh7
  19	28:53	3.370.338.578	1.944.377	+4,80	Bg5f6 Na6c7 Nf5h6+ Kg8f8 Bf6e5 g7g6 Qh5f3 Ne6g5 Qf3a3+ Qd7e7 Be5d6 Ng5xh3+ Kg1g2 Qe7xd6 Qa3xd6+ Kf8g7 Qd6xc7 Nh3g5 Re1xe8 Bc8h3+ Kg2g1 Ra8xe8 f2f4 Kg7xh6 f4xg5+ Kh6xg5 Qc7xa7

kind regards
Bernhard
That is impressive! I felt no program could solve this in a reasonable amout of time.

It took nearly 12 minutes to see it was winning outright, nonetheless a very impressive result indeed!

Terry
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Re: Bf6!! difficult move....

Post by BBauer »

A program like crafty will *never* find Bf6.
reason: this type of position is about zugzwang.
after Bf6 g6 Qh6 the black Ne6 has cannot move, he has to protect g7.
Crafty has no zugzwang detection.
Some progammers think speed is everything, so they will never do it right.

BTW, I posted a similar game some weaks ago.

kind regards
Bernhard
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Re: Bf6!! difficult move....

Post by George Tsavdaris »

BBauer wrote:A program like crafty will *never* find Bf6.
reason: this type of position is about zugzwang.
after Bf6 g6 Qh6 the black Ne6 has cannot move, he has to protect g7.
First i don't understand why zugzwang is a factor here.
I don't understand why black is in zugzwang.

I thought zugzwang situation is when one side to move will weaken its position after every move it will make and it would be better for that side not to move and pass.
But since in Chess one has to make a move and if making a move results in weakening its position, then this side is on zugzwang.

Black's problem here is not that he needs to pass or else it will weaken its position. Black's problem is just that it has a bad position and pass or no-pass does not matter.....

Perhaps i'm missing something here about zugzwang definition....

Crafty has no zugzwang detection.
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I'm surprised by this comment. I always thought about Crafty as an all-around program that knows all the tricks of Chess, and that it is just not the strongest around.
But different color-Bishop endings, wrong square in Bishop-Pawn endings, zugzwangs, mate with KB, etc things, i always found Crafty to know everything.
So Crafty does not support zugzwang and can't solve positions with zugzwang? Interesting....

I will try some positions to see.....
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