Apple M4, M4 PRO, M4 MAX, M4 ULTRA

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Apple M4, M4 PRO, M4 MAX, M4 ULTRA

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M4 iMac 2024 - 10 MAJOR Reasons to Upgrade!


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https://ipmanchess.yolasite.com/amd--in ... ckfish.php
If you compile Stockfish 14.1 with pop + neon + dotprod, then you should get around 60.000.000 nps.
Hopefully Stockfish developers have done some improvements on ARM CPUs.
You can ask them on https://discord.com or look at https://tests.stockfishchess.org/tests

Apple Silicon/M series
https://en.namu.wiki/w/Apple%20Silicon/M%20시리즈

M4 Ultra is stronger than RTX 4090 GPU.
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Excellent news !
Maybe it's time to upgrade from M1 to M4 ? :)
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Hai wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 2:54 pmApple just KILLED the Mini PC Market and Windows WILL NEVER recover!

That's not a sensible thing to say, and the video doesn't actually say it - so it's clickbait.

It's helpful to remember that choice of OS, be that ChromeOS, Windows, MacOS or Linux, tends to be "religion" rather than "careful analysis": I remain convinced that, for the majority of computer users, ChromeOS would be their best choice.
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Dariusz wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2024 3:05 pm Excellent news !
Maybe it's time to upgrade from M1 to M4 ? :)
Yes it is time for a lot of people to upgrade.
There is a lot of room for speed ups on ARM devices, not only Apple devices but also on all mobile phones + a lot of tablets and notebooks and raspberry pi and... Read Anandtech - Future ARM Cortex + Neoverse µArchs Discussion. New 42 Pages with a lot of great stuff... to improve Stockfish and other engines on ARM devices https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/fu ... 82/page-42 See also: Arm A-Profile Architecture Developments 2024 https://community.arm.com/arm-community ... ments-2024 and the new: The Armv9.6 architecture extension https://developer.arm.com/documentation ... -extension + Armv9.5, Armv9.4, Armv9.3 and Armv9.2. SME2 https://developer.arm.com/documentation ... E-and-SME2 and the new SVE2.2
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I have never own any Apple product. Or even considered to buy.
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Jouni wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 5:17 pm I have never own any Apple product. Or even considered to buy.
That's so sad.
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Jouni wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 5:17 pm I have never own any Apple product. Or even considered to buy.
Tärve/Moi Jouni!

The macbook airs are brilliant! Formfactor/no noise and somewhat fast (macos is not so bad at all). With 'brew' you get some goodies from the (free) software-world. Otherwise it's an expensive unix-prison.
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Hai wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 11:42 pm
Jouni wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 5:17 pm I have never own any Apple product. Or even considered to buy.
That's so sad.

Please don't be sad: he need not die without having had the important human experience of the Apple Mac - he can watch a video!


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The weaker MacBook Pro (only 14-inch) M4 MAX, with the only 1 TB slow RAM version
vs
High-end MSI Gaming notebook with newest Intel Core Ultra 9 285K and RTX 4090.
Result: 1-0
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Running x86 AVX2 binary on Apple Silicon
https://github.com/official-stockfish/S ... ssues/5707