Question for you: The versions Deep, have single engine too?

[Karmazen & Oliver]

Ok. hi, I read that fritz 11 is stroger, have good options ( ok... some of that options was are in ARENA in previus years. ¡ but. ok )

have other improvements... ok

OK.. you know that to my I like but the single engines. ( ok... ONE CPU use )

I see that these single engines, not Deep ¡:

- they make less noise,
- he/she warms less the cpu and ...
- they consume less energy. ¡ ( near 1/2 energy ¡¡¡ )

also with fritz 11, (chesstiger too, i like his style), can see that it IS NOT THE most important thing the hardware... ( i like 32 bits versions engines too. they are more portable. fritz 11 is very stronger, and it is 32 bits ¡ )

about all this speak here:
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

OK... the QUESTION is:

when you buy a Deep VERSION... Deepfritz 9, or DeepFritz 10 ?, Have this DVD two engines, ( Multi-Cpu and single ONE core CPU ) ? or We need buy to products ? deepfritz and fritz 11 ?

I could wait to the version deepfritz, if this it contains the version normal and good fritz single mode... It´s necesary have two files... *.eng

for example.

http://www.rybkachess.com/index.php?aus ... hase+Rybka

in rybka .. if you BUY a version DEEP, you have not a one sigle cpu version ¡

I think that this is not exactly, (=justice ?) , after all, the versions multiprocessor are more EXPENSIVE that the normal one, therefore they should contain a version at least for simple processors...

Ok... perhaps (maybe) somebody this thinking if you can use a version deep in a simple processor,( ? ), but I think that the versions deep are optimized for more than a CORE, if we use these in a simple processor, they should give a smaller yield due to the extra administration in the code...

have or do you agree?

to have or not to have, that it is the question

bye. from spain. Oliver

[Tony Thomas]

You could run the deep engine on a single CPU, so no need to buy them seperate unless they both are totally different versions.

[PauloSoare]

Stefan said that Shredder 11 is not the same that you
use just one thread in Deep Shredder 11.

Paulo Soares

[Karmazen & Oliver]

yes... i imagine that thing.. in a lot of engines.

but... Are this single engine inside DVD or CD in version DeepFritz X.xx ?

justice ?

[geots]

yes... i imagine that thing.. in a lot of engines.

but... Are this single engine inside DVD or CD in version DeepFritz X.xx ?

justice ?

If you buy Fritz 11, you get one disc- the 32 bit 1 CPU version. If you wait about 3 more months, you can buy Deep Fritz 11- and get one disc- the 32 bit multi-cpu version. But you will spend most likely about 40 bucks more for the Deep version. Which makes no sense at all, if you are satisfied with the 1 cpu version. and the Deep version running on 1 cpu WILL BE EXACTLY the same in strength as the normal Fritz 11 running on 1 cpu. It has always been this way with Fritz. This is not an opinion- and is not open for argument- it came directly from Frans. Hope this helps.

Best,

George

[Tony Thomas]

yes... i imagine that thing.. in a lot of engines.

but... Are this single engine inside DVD or CD in version DeepFritz X.xx ?

justice ?

If you buy Fritz 11, you get one disc- the 32 bit 1 CPU version. If you wait about 3 more months, you can buy Deep Fritz 11- and get one disc- the 32 bit multi-cpu version. But you will spend most likely about 40 bucks more for the Deep version. Which makes no sense at all, if you are satisfied with the 1 cpu version. and the Deep version running on 1 cpu WILL BE EXACTLY the same in strength as the normal Fritz 11 running on 1 cpu. It has always been this way with Fritz. This is not an opinion- and is not open for argument- it came directly from Frans. Hope this helps.

Best,

George

No, it hasnt always been this way with Fritz. Deep Fritz 6, 7, and 8 were stronger than the single CPU counter part. Fritz 10 was the first exception, and they were released together.

[Henrik Dinesen]

Hehe, did you need to repeat it to emphaze it?

Anyway, guess you're right, dispite what Frans has told George.
If I remember correctly, there was a large gap between Fritz 7 and Deep Fritz 7 on an sp-machine. But so sure about the difference between version 6 and 8 smp/sp respectively.
And true also, the release-times may matter a lot, with about a year between the sp and mp versions.

[Henrik Dinesen]

What said below in the thread is correct.
However, if you get any Deep/mp engine, and are running them on a dual or quad, you set the number used treads in the engine-setting.
With UCI engines you can create engines with new names to make engine selcetion easy, if say you only want to analyse with a single tread(cpu) for that paticular engine.

With chessbase ative engines you can also adhust the number of threads the same way, but not give them different names for easy selection in the enginelist.

And... not matter if you buy DF11 or F11, you only get 1 Fritz-engine.

[geots]

yes... i imagine that thing.. in a lot of engines.

but... Are this single engine inside DVD or CD in version DeepFritz X.xx ?

justice ?

If you buy Fritz 11, you get one disc- the 32 bit 1 CPU version. If you wait about 3 more months, you can buy Deep Fritz 11- and get one disc- the 32 bit multi-cpu version. But you will spend most likely about 40 bucks more for the Deep version. Which makes no sense at all, if you are satisfied with the 1 cpu version. and the Deep version running on 1 cpu WILL BE EXACTLY the same in strength as the normal Fritz 11 running on 1 cpu. It has always been this way with Fritz. This is not an opinion- and is not open for argument- it came directly from Frans. Hope this helps.

Best,

George

No, it hasnt always been this way with Fritz. Deep Fritz 6, 7, and 8 were stronger than the single CPU counter part. Fritz 10 was the first exception, and they were released together.

No, you are wrong. I know nothing about ths situation before Fritz 8, but with it and after you are just plain wrong. You best discuss this with Frans. I think he will clear things up for you. i will admit i did not ask about anything before Fritz 8, so technically if i said "the way Fritz has always been"- that was an error. So you get a gold star. But it still doesnt change the jist of the answer in trying to help the guy. You knew when you made your comments the guy wasnt interested in what Fritz 6 or 7 does. If i had been asking the original question- i would have thanked the guy for a solid answer. But this is not anywhere near the 1st time i have offerred help, and dont even know if the guy ever read it. And then here you come along to pick out and pick apart what the hell i say. I wonder why i bother with this goddamm place. But that may well by God change.

[Henrik Dinesen]

No, you are wrong. I know nothing about ths situation before Fritz 8, but with it and after you are just plain wrong. You best discuss this with Frans. I think he will clear things up for you.

Nor have I investigated it further.
Comes to mind:

A) DF6 was just called Deep Fritz... SSDF peole migth be able to help
B) DF7 was prefered by sp-users on playchess, instead of the sp-version (anno 2002/2003)
C) people who tryed to meassure the difference between, claimed clear advantage to the 1 year younger "Deep"