Kaufman on Rybka and Fischer

[Adam Hair]

And you ?

And what about you?

I feel left out.

and you?

Miguel

Thanks!

[mar]

marketing BS

they just did what worked in testing, like everyone else.

+1

Seriously, I wonder what's the fuss about.
If I put a 1500 engine (pure beancounter) against a 1000 elo "patzer" and claim the stronger engine plays very "human style" like Fischer,
providing I have enough credit among the community , people will believe it, I'm pretty sure of that.
I have heard similar utter BS (being mild) so many times before (human style is my favourite actually).
Lucas is simply right so why deny it? Maybe he should wrap the truth in nice words to make it more bearable?

[Terry McCracken]

marketing BS

they just did what worked in testing, like everyone else.

+1

Seriously, I wonder what's the fuss about.
If I put a 1500 engine (pure beancounter) against a 1000 elo "patzer" and claim the stronger engine plays very "human style" like Fischer,
providing I have enough credit among the community , people will believe it, I'm pretty sure of that.
I have heard similar utter BS (being mild) so many times before (human style is my favourite actually).
Lucas is simply right so why deny it? Maybe he should wrap the truth in nice words to make it more bearable?

Lucas is certainly not right and neither are you. Neither of you know a thing about Larry Kaufman as if you did you wouldn't try and sully his name or business practises. Larry speaks from the heart and the head at the same time.

You can believe him, he said he was inspired by Fischer and indeed he means what he says. He's an honest man and you two are simply flinging dirt and dung and it will not stick to him but if I were you I'd go wash up!

[lucasart]

Lucas is simply right so why deny it?

This forum is not about being right or wrong. It's about out-trolling each other. Now I just say what I have to say and don't respond, unless someone actually says something intelligent worth responding to (which is <5% of posts here).

[Terry McCracken]

Lucas is simply right so why deny it?

This forum is not about being right or wrong. It's about out-trolling each other. Now I just say what I have to say and don't respond, unless someone actually says something intelligent worth responding to (which is <5% of posts here).

You define what is intelligent? Now that is funny!

The trolling, speak for yourself.

[Alexander Schmidt]

Lucas is simply right so why deny it?

This forum is not about being right or wrong. It's about out-trolling each other.

Indeed...

Maybe I can contribute something factual:

https://chessengines.wordpress.com/the-fischer-test/

Let's say it is statistically not verificated that Komodo is more influenced by Fischer than other engines.

Let the shitstorm begin...

[mclane]

Komodo 1.0 ?
You should use later versions.

Gandalf 6 has special king attack algorithms.

[hgm]

Let's say it is statistically not verificated that Komodo is more influenced by Fischer than other engines.

Now what has Komodo got to do with it?

Larry's quoted statement was about Rybka...

The statement "they just did what worked" misses the point. Of course they tested and only accepted what worked, like everyone else. But what you try are rarely random evaluation terms, unless your engine is based on a neural network. Usually you test specific ideas that you expect to be useful, and what you decide to test can certainly be inspired by ideas from human GMs.

That you cannot do much better than testing random ideas when you are a patzer, doesn't mean that a GM cannot work in a more goal-oriented way.

[Guenther]

marketing BS

they just did what worked in testing, like everyone else.

+1

Seriously, I wonder what's the fuss about.
If I put a 1500 engine (pure beancounter) against a 1000 elo "patzer" and claim the stronger engine plays very "human style" like Fischer,
providing I have enough credit among the community , people will believe it, I'm pretty sure of that.
I have heard similar utter BS (being mild) so many times before (human style is my favourite actually).
Lucas is simply right so why deny it? Maybe he should wrap the truth in nice words to make it more bearable?

I have the same opinion. Actually I believe Fischer himself would call it 'bullshit' and file a lawsuit(for involving his name in advertisements).

Guenther

[Alexander Schmidt]

Let's say it is statistically not verificated that Komodo is more influenced by Fischer than other engines.

Now what has Komodo got to do with it?

Larry's quoted statement was about Rybka...

Sorry, stupid typo...

Usually you test specific ideas that you expect to be useful, and what you decide to test can certainly be inspired by ideas from human GMs.

That is what every programmer does. But we are talking about some general rules and not a specific style of a specific player.

Maybe "inspired by Fischer" is not far away from the truth, but this doesn't mean the engine plays like Fischer. So the statement is indeed what some would call "marketing bs".