GM says Rybka & Fritz weaker than best GMs in classical

[CRoberson]

In the July 2008 edition of Chess Life (page 44), GM Lev Alburt
claims "Playing under classical conditions (40 moves in 2 1/2 hours),
today's best grandmasters are still favorites vs. Rybka and Fritz".

I was under the opposite impression, but I'm not a GM.

Sounds like a challenge for some program to me.

[Terry McCracken]

In the July 2008 edition of Chess Life (page 44), GM Lev Alburt
claims "Playing under classical conditions (40 moves in 2 1/2 hours),
today's best grandmasters are still favorites vs. Rybka and Fritz".

I was under the opposite impression, but I'm not a GM.

Sounds like a challenge for some program to me.

The truth be known, some GM's really do beat these programs in their homes where there is no pressure or distractions.

Even lesser players win from time to time without the use of anti-computer play.

I have done it in the past and I know others who have as well.

I have to agree with GM Lev Alburt.

[jdart]

GMs are hard-pressed to win matches against the top programs, partly because the programs don't get tired or distracted, or blunder. If you review GM games you will see many of them decided through shallow tactics and mistakes - somebody gets careless and loses. The computer will never miss such an opportunity.

But on a good day, a GM can certainly outplay a computer - they have imagination and skill, and can foresee consequences that will happen much later in the game, before the computer sees them.

[fern]

Ask Lev Alburt to put his wins -at that rhythm- where his mouth is.
When you see Rybka winning GM with material advantage from move 1, It is difficult to me to see Alburt wining in equal terms against these monsters.
With 2 and half hours you have simply more time to prolong the defeat on the board.
I am talking, of course, of games without take backs allowed...

Fernando

[Matthias Gemuh]

In the July 2008 edition of Chess Life (page 44), GM Lev Alburt
claims "Playing under classical conditions (40 moves in 2 1/2 hours),
today's best grandmasters are still favorites vs. Rybka and Fritz".

I was under the opposite impression, but I'm not a GM.

Sounds like a challenge for some program to me.

Just because someone is a GM, that does not mean he has a clue what he is talking about.
We want to see proofs, not baseless claims !
The top engines are proving their superiority more and more convincingly.

Matthias.

[M ANSARI]

A GM against Rybka on reasonable hardware would be silly. Even with handicaps the edge still goes to Rybka. I think the days of a GM going toe to toe with an engine on fast hardware are over.

[Uri]

Best GMs are very strong strategically (long term tactics), something which even the top programs are relatively weak at. They know how to maneuver in closed positions and they know where to move and when to exchange pawns in order to achieve better activity for their pieces. They also understand compensation much better while programs are more materialistic.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Poor Lev,he obviously has no idea what he's talking about

[GenoM]

I think Alburt knows what he's talking about. Don't underestimate human top-players, guys.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

I think Alburt knows what he's talking about. Don't underestimate human top-players, guys.

Zdravei Geno,
I am almost sure that the GM in question will lose severly to Rybka in a head to head match at long time controls...
And not only him,the proof is yet to be revealed....
Botvinnik had once mentioned that there will be a time when humans can't compete with the machines anymore and the machines will play in their own league....
I think that the time has already come