Zct 3.2451 : 2165

[Le Fou numerique]

Hi,

Zct 3.2451 first rating in the UEL: 2165 (3.2447: 2218, 222 rated games).

PGN on the Division Poussin page.

Regards,
Patrick

[Zach Wegner]

Thanks for the very quick rating Patrick!

I do hope it ends up stronger than .2447...

[Werner]

Thanks for the very quick rating Patrick!

I do hope it ends up stronger than .2447...

Hi Zach,
I hope too - but I stopped here 2 matches with not so good results:

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Zct 0.3.2 w32 1CPU    2200 - Cyrano 0.5 w32 1CPU     2200   0.0 - 10.0    +0/-10/=0    0.00%
Zct 0.3.2 w32 1CPU    2200 - Crafty 22.1 w32 1CPU    2200   1.5 - 8.5    +0/-7/=3    15.00%

I sent an email with 1 example. Is here something wrong?
If you want I can send you all the games.

best

[Zach Wegner]

Hi Werner,

I am beginning to suspect a bug. I would've expected the SMP version to do something, but the 1-CPU version is rather surprising. I'm looking into it now, something weird is going on.

I knew a release without a bug report was too good to be true!

[Styro]

Hi,

Zct 3.2451 first rating in the UEL: 2165 (3.2447: 2218, 222 rated games).

PGN on the Division Poussin page.

Regards,
Patrick

Hello,

Have you noticed that e.g. Anechka was at least two times punished
by the used book and not by its own play?

Regards,
Stephan

[Event "UEL 0634 Poussin"]
[Site "Cali"]
[Date "2008.07.12"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Gibbon 2.42c"]
[Black "Anechka 0.08"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[ECO "D30"]
[Opening "Gambit Dame Refusé"]
[Time "21:12:18"]
[Variation "3.e3"]
[WhiteElo "2200"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "26"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 Na6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Qxd5 5. Bg5 Bd7 6. Qc2 Bc6 7. e3 Rc8
8. Nf3 Qe5 9. e4 Qa5 10. Ne5 Qd5 11. exd5 {+12.12/11 27} Nb4 {-11.61/10 8}
12. Qe2 {+11.92/10 8} Bd7 {-11.77/10 10} 13. Nxd7 {+14.14/9 12} Kxd7
{-11.92/10 5} 14. ... {1-0 Adjugé par Arena} 1-0

[Event "UEL 0634 Poussin"]
[Site "Cali"]
[Date "2008.07.12"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Bison 8.2.4r"]
[Black "Anechka 0.08"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[ECO "B23"]
[Opening "Sicilienne"]
[Time "22:34:17"]
[Variation "Fermée, 1.e4 c5 2.Cc3 d6 3.Cge2"]
[WhiteElo "2200"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "66"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 f5 2. Ne2 c5 3. d3 d6 4. g3 Nh6 5. Nbc3 a6 6. Bg5 Kf7 7. Rg1 Nd7 8.
Qd2 Ne5 9. Bg2 b5 10. Bf4 Nd7 11. Bxh6 {+1.99/11 11} gxh6 {-2.13/10 9} 12.
exf5 {+1.85/11 13} Rb8 {-2.10/10 8} 13. d4 {+1.94/10 9} b4 {-1.88/9 7} 14.
Nd5 {+1.87/10 15} Qa5 {-1.65/8 7} 15. dxc5 {+1.98/10 11} Qxc5 {-1.71/9 7}
16. Nd4 {+2.38/11 12} Nf6 {-1.70/9 4} 17. Nb3 {+2.04/11 10} Qb5 {-2.02/9 6}
18. O-O-O {+2.12/11 10} Bb7 {-2.23/8 5} 19. Nd4 {+2.21/11 10} Qa4 {-2.38/10
8} 20. Nxf6 {+2.31/11 8} Bxg2 {-2.49/10 9} 21. Qe1 {+2.62/12 9} exf6
{-2.64/9 10} 22. Qe6+ {+3.29/11 11} Kg7 {-2.64/4 0} 23. Qc4 {+3.46/11 6}
Qd7 {-2.86/9 6} 24. Ne6+ {+3.73/12 10} Kg8 {-2.74/10 6} 25. Rxg2 {+3.87/12
26} Qb5 {-3.46/10 16} 26. Qb3 {+4.32/11 7} Qd7 {-2.92/10 5} 27. Rd4
{+4.11/10 4} d5 {-4.28/10 14} 28. Rxd5 {+5.42/11 6} Qe8 {-4.45/10 4} 29.
Rd4 {+6.08/11 5} h5 {-5.52/10 5} 30. g4 {+7.55/11 6} Bh6+ {-5.52/7 6} 31.
f4 {+7.55/11 7} Qe7 {-6.81/8 4} 32. g5 {+7.96/11 22} fxg5 {-9.80/9 6} 33.
Nxg5+ {+9.77/9 6} Kf8 {-8.98/9 4} 34. ... {1-0 Adjugé par Arena} 1-0

[Styro]

Hi Werner,

I am beginning to suspect a bug. I would've expected the SMP version to do something, but the 1-CPU version is rather surprising. I'm looking into it now, something weird is going on.

I knew a release without a bug report was too good to be true!

Here is one bug at least from the given games from Patrick
(A very common one though...)
ZCT suffers from the 99 plies bug as some other programs too.
In a position when 98 plies of 100 plies for a 50 moves draw were
already played ZCT allowed a mate in one with its 99th ply move
and of course the opponent took the chance and ended the game.

Regards,
Stephan

[Event "UEL 0634 Poussin"]
[Site "Cali"]
[Date "2008.07.12"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Chispa 4.0.3"]
[Black "Zct 3.2451"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[ECO "D12"]
[Opening "Slave"]
[Time "21:31:37"]
[Variation "4.e3 Ff5 5.cxd5 cxd5 6.Cc3, Variante d' Amsterdam"]
[WhiteElo "2200"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "211"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. Nf3 c6 2. c4 Nf6 3. e3 d5 4. Nc3 Bf5 5. d4 Qb6 6. cxd5 cxd5 7. Ne5 Bd7
8. Bd2 e6 9. Rc1 Nc6 10. Nxd7 Nxd7 11. a3 {+0.40/10 12} Bd6 {-0.46/13 18}
12. Qc2 {+0.42/10 12} O-O {-0.12/12 17} 13. Bd3 {+0.47/10 9} Nf6 {-0.27/12
13} 14. O-O {+0.42/10 13} Rad8 {-0.33/11 13} 15. b4 {+0.54/9 9} a6
{-0.35/11 12} 16. f4 {+0.54/10 12} g6 {-0.15/12 12} 17. Na4 {+0.65/11 10}
Qa7 {-0.23/14 11} 18. Nc5 {+0.60/10 12} Ne7 {-0.27/13 11} 19. a4 {+0.65/10
11} Qb8 {-0.10/12 10} 20. Be1 {+0.70/9 9} Nf5 {0.00/12 10} 21. Qe2
{+0.69/10 11} Kh8 {-0.07/12 10} 22. Bc3 {+0.81/9 7} Rg8 {-0.07/12 9} 23.
Bb2 {+0.86/9 10} g5 {+0.46/12 11} 24. e4 {+0.56/10 12} dxe4 {-0.07/12 11}
25. d5 {+0.79/10 11} exd3 {-0.31/11 8} 26. Bxf6+ {+0.79/10 9} Ng7 {-0.43/12
8} 27. Nxd3 {+0.80/9 9} gxf4 {-0.46/11 8} 28. Bxd8 {+1.52/9 8} Rxd8
{-0.29/12 7} 29. dxe6 {+1.51/9 6} fxe6 {-0.42/12 7} 30. Rc4 {+1.55/10 9} b5
{-0.38/10 7} 31. Re4 {+1.53/10 7} bxa4 {+0.08/11 8} 32. Nxf4 {+1.68/9 9}
Qb6+ {-0.03/11 6} 33. Kh1 {+1.68/9 5} Qb5 {-0.17/10 6} 34. Qxb5 {+2.13/11
8} axb5 {+0.36/15 8} 35. Nxe6 {+2.07/12 6} Nxe6 {+1.13/16 10} 36. Rxe6
{+2.07/12 8} Bxb4 {+0.92/17 5} 37. Re5 {+1.98/12 6} a3 {+0.89/16 5} 38.
Rxb5 {+2.00/12 7} Bc3 {+0.80/15 5} 39. Rc5 {+2.03/12 7} Bb2 {+0.42/15 6}
40. Ra5 {+2.07/11 7} Kg7 {+0.39/14 5} 41. h4 {+2.07/10 6} Rd3 {+0.39/12 5}
42. Kh2 {+2.15/9 4} Re3 {0.00/12 6} 43. Rff5 {+2.29/10 6} Re4 {-0.15/11 4}
44. Kg3 {+2.37/10 6} Re3+ {0.00/12 4} 45. Kf4 {+2.42/9 5} Re8 {0.00/12 4}
46. Ra7+ {+2.74/9 5} Kh8 {-0.45/12 5} 47. Rff7 {+3.45/10 3} h6 {-0.53/11 4}
48. g4 {+3.46/11 5} Kg8 {-0.30/11 4} 49. Rfd7 {+3.46/11 4} Rf8+ {-0.39/12
3} 50. Ke4 {+3.44/10 3} Rf1 {-1.02/12 6} 51. Ke3 {+3.40/9 5} Rf8 {-1.19/12
3} 52. g5 {+3.46/10 3} Re8+ {-0.52/13 4} 53. Kf3 {+3.45/11 3} Rf8+
{-0.65/14 3} 54. Ke4 {+3.45/10 3} hxg5 {-1.60/12 5} 55. hxg5 {+3.44/11 3}
Rf2 {-1.63/12 2} 56. g6 {+3.45/10 2} Rf8 {-1.16/13 5} 57. Kd3 {+3.46/10 2}
Rc8 {-1.32/13 2} 58. Ke3 {+3.44/10 2} Re8+ {-1.79/12 3} 59. Kf3 {+3.44/10
2} Rc8 {-1.32/12 3} 60. Kf4 {+3.43/10 3} Rc4+ {-1.23/11 2} 61. Kf5
{+3.44/11 3} Rc5+ {-1.33/13 3} 62. Ke6 {+3.45/11 2} Re5+ {-1.74/14 2} 63.
Kd6 {+3.44/10 3} Re8 {-1.81/14 2} 64. Rf7 {+3.44/10 3} Rd8+ {-1.51/13 3}
65. Ke6 {+3.30/10 3} Re8+ {-1.51/13 2} 66. Kd5 {+3.44/9 3} Rc8 {-1.74/13 2}
67. Rfd7 {+3.41/10 2} Kh8 {-1.54/12 2} 68. Rh7+ {+3.41/9 2} Kg8 {-1.56/12
2} 69. Ke4 {+3.40/10 3} Rc4+ {-0.82/12 3} 70. Kf3 {+3.39/10 2} Rc8
{-0.52/11 2} 71. Rhb7 {+3.39/9 2} Rc3+ {-0.56/11 2} 72. Ke4 {+3.39/10 2}
Rc8 {-0.98/12 2} 73. Re7 {+3.39/11 2} Rc4+ {-1.17/13 2} 74. Kd5 {+3.37/10
2} Rd4+ {-1.53/14 2} 75. Kc5 {+3.37/10 2} Rd8 {-2.22/13 3} 76. Kb5
{+3.42/10 2} Rc8 {-1.43/12 3} 77. Red7 {+3.39/10 2} Kf8 {-1.52/11 1} 78.
Kb4 {+3.38/10 2} Rb8+ {-2.36/14 3} 79. Kc5 {+3.42/10 2} Rc8+ {-0.47/14 3}
80. Kd5 {+3.39/10 2} Kg8 {-1.40/13 2} 81. Rh7 {+3.39/11 2} Re8 {-0.96/11 1}
82. Rhc7 {+3.39/10 2} Rb8 {-1.26/11 1} 83. Ke4 {+3.40/10 2} Rf8 {-0.88/9 1}
84. Ke3 {+3.40/10 1} Rd8 {-0.96/11 1} 85. Kf4 {+3.39/10 2} Rb8 {-0.51/11 2}
86. Rd7 {+3.39/10 2} Bc1+ {-0.81/10 1} 87. Ke4 {+3.39/10 2} Re8+ {-1.19/12
2} 88. Kf5 {+3.39/10 2} Rc8 {-1.40/11 1} 89. Rg7+ {+3.46/9 2} Kh8 {-2.10/15
2} 90. Rh7+ {+3.46/9 1} Kg8 {-1.61/12 1} 91. Rag7+ {+3.43/9 2} Kf8
{-0.98/12 2} 92. Rd7 {+3.46/10 2} Kg8 {-1.20/11 1} 93. Rhg7+ {+3.40/10 2}
Kh8 {-2.17/15 2} 94. Rge7 {+3.41/10 2} Bb2 {-0.52/12 3} 95. Ra7 {+3.39/10
2} Rf8+ {-0.69/11 1} 96. Ke4 {+3.39/9 2} Rd8 {-0.67/11 1} 97. Kf4 {+3.39/10
2} Rf8+ {-0.67/11 1} 98. Ke3 {+3.39/9 2} Kg8 {-1.15/11 1} 99. Ke4 {+3.39/10
2} Rc8 {-1.34/11 1} 100. Reb7 {+3.39/10 2} Rd8 {-1.17/11 1} 101. Rh7
{+3.39/11 2} Rd4+ {0.00/12 2} 102. Ke3 {+3.39/9 2} Rd8 {0.00/12 1} 103. Kf4
{+2.78/9 2} Rd4+ {0.00/14 1} 104. Kf3 {0.00/9 2} Rd3+ {0.00/17 1} 105. Ke2
{0.00/9 2} Rg3 {0.00/17 1} 106. Ra8+ {+M1/3 0 Mat} 1-0

[Zach Wegner]

Hello Stephan,

I remember reading about this problem a while back in some engines. I figured it would never happen, so I just put off fixing it. But you just proved me wrong! I fixed it.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Hi,

Zct 3.2451 first rating in the UEL: 2165 (3.2447: 2218, 222 rated games).

PGN on the Division Poussin page.

Regards,
Patrick

Hello,

Have you noticed that e.g. Anechka was at least two times punished
by the used book and not by its own play?

Regards,
Stephan

[Event "UEL 0634 Poussin"]
[Site "Cali"]
[Date "2008.07.12"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Gibbon 2.42c"]
[Black "Anechka 0.08"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[ECO "D30"]
[Opening "Gambit Dame Refusé"]
[Time "21:12:18"]
[Variation "3.e3"]
[WhiteElo "2200"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "26"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 Na6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Qxd5 5. Bg5 Bd7 6. Qc2 Bc6 7. e3 Rc8
8. Nf3 Qe5 9. e4 Qa5 10. Ne5 Qd5 11. exd5 {+12.12/11 27} Nb4 {-11.61/10 8}
12. Qe2 {+11.92/10 8} Bd7 {-11.77/10 10} 13. Nxd7 {+14.14/9 12} Kxd7
{-11.92/10 5} 14. ... {1-0 Adjugé par Arena} 1-0

[Event "UEL 0634 Poussin"]
[Site "Cali"]
[Date "2008.07.12"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Bison 8.2.4r"]
[Black "Anechka 0.08"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[ECO "B23"]
[Opening "Sicilienne"]
[Time "22:34:17"]
[Variation "Fermée, 1.e4 c5 2.Cc3 d6 3.Cge2"]
[WhiteElo "2200"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "66"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 f5 2. Ne2 c5 3. d3 d6 4. g3 Nh6 5. Nbc3 a6 6. Bg5 Kf7 7. Rg1 Nd7 8.
Qd2 Ne5 9. Bg2 b5 10. Bf4 Nd7 11. Bxh6 {+1.99/11 11} gxh6 {-2.13/10 9} 12.
exf5 {+1.85/11 13} Rb8 {-2.10/10 8} 13. d4 {+1.94/10 9} b4 {-1.88/9 7} 14.
Nd5 {+1.87/10 15} Qa5 {-1.65/8 7} 15. dxc5 {+1.98/10 11} Qxc5 {-1.71/9 7}
16. Nd4 {+2.38/11 12} Nf6 {-1.70/9 4} 17. Nb3 {+2.04/11 10} Qb5 {-2.02/9 6}
18. O-O-O {+2.12/11 10} Bb7 {-2.23/8 5} 19. Nd4 {+2.21/11 10} Qa4 {-2.38/10
8} 20. Nxf6 {+2.31/11 8} Bxg2 {-2.49/10 9} 21. Qe1 {+2.62/12 9} exf6
{-2.64/9 10} 22. Qe6+ {+3.29/11 11} Kg7 {-2.64/4 0} 23. Qc4 {+3.46/11 6}
Qd7 {-2.86/9 6} 24. Ne6+ {+3.73/12 10} Kg8 {-2.74/10 6} 25. Rxg2 {+3.87/12
26} Qb5 {-3.46/10 16} 26. Qb3 {+4.32/11 7} Qd7 {-2.92/10 5} 27. Rd4
{+4.11/10 4} d5 {-4.28/10 14} 28. Rxd5 {+5.42/11 6} Qe8 {-4.45/10 4} 29.
Rd4 {+6.08/11 5} h5 {-5.52/10 5} 30. g4 {+7.55/11 6} Bh6+ {-5.52/7 6} 31.
f4 {+7.55/11 7} Qe7 {-6.81/8 4} 32. g5 {+7.96/11 22} fxg5 {-9.80/9 6} 33.
Nxg5+ {+9.77/9 6} Kf8 {-8.98/9 4} 34. ... {1-0 Adjugé par Arena} 1-0

It looks like Patrick doesn't take the time to look at the games and always in a hurry to post the rating of the new version....
Of course any comment on these two games will be a massive attack from my side,so I'll withdraw....

[Le Fou numerique]

It looks like Patrick doesn't take the time to look at the games and always in a hurry to post the rating of the new version....

Hi,

These two games are not in the "tournoi d'entrée" and the first rating doesn't include these games.

These games are in the tournament from Eduardo.

Patrick

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

It looks like Patrick doesn't take the time to look at the games and always in a hurry to post the rating of the new version....

Hi,

These two games are not in the "tournoi d'entrée" and the first rating doesn't include these games.

These games are in the tournament from Eduardo.

Patrick

Hi Patrick,
Thanks for the reply....
I was talking in general of course,I open every single pgn of my tournaments and take a close look at the games so that hte rating list is not influenced by losing opening lines....

Good luck....