Certainly not a 2100 Chess engine! ID 231

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Certainly not a 2100 Chess engine! ID 231

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Re: Certainly not a 2100 Chess engine! ID 231

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The "2100 elo engine" just trashed Stockfish 1.0 in TCEC bonus matches with a final score or 10.5-1.5

The trolling is pretty evident :roll:
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Re: Certainly not a 2100 Chess engine! ID 231

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CMCanavessi wrote:The "2100 elo engine" just trashed Stockfish 1.0 in TCEC bonus matches with a final score or 10.5-1.5

The trolling is pretty evident :roll:
Ah, I said on one CPU core, not on a GPU or a 44-core TCEC machine.
Feel free to twist my words and keep on trolling along with the OP

Here, CEGT tests for your entertainment :)

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Testmatches under CEGT conditions 40/20: - running on this pc 40/10 real.
(startposition 87kns) (166 = 5169.70)
1   LCZero 0.7/166 1CPU   2057      011½10½0½0½½111½10½0  10.5/20
2   Anechka 0.08          2040     100½01½1½1½½000½01½1    9.5/20

Lczero 187= 5297.69 (startposition 87kns) 
1   LCZero 0.7 1CPU  2166  +126   100½1111111010½1½½½1  13.5/20
2   Anechka 0.08     2040  -126  011½0000000101½0½½½0    6.5/20

Lczero 181= 5267.33 (startposition 87kns)                          
1   EveAnn 1.72 2071      +108   0½1110½110111010½11½  13.0/20
2   LCZero 0.7/181 1CPU 1963  -108  1½0001½001000101½00½    7.0/20

Lczero 187 = 5297.69 and GPU Intel Graphics 630 (startposition 145kns)
1   LCZero GPU v0.7/187 1CPU 2124   +53   ½010½01½111½1100101½  11.5/20
2   EveAnn 1.72 2071             -53  ½101½10½000½0011010½    8.5/20

Lczero 217 = 5405.12 1CPU (startposition 87kns)                         
1   LCZero/217 0.7 1CPU  2197  +126   1010100111111101½½½1  13.5/20
2   EveAnn 1.72      2071  -126  0101011000000010½½½0    6.5/20

Lczero 187 = 5297.69  (startposition 87kns)
1   LCZero 0.7 1CPU 2123   010½001101100½111½0½  10.0/20  100.00
2   Popochin 4.0 2123     101½110010011½000½1½   10.0/20  100.00

Lczero 217 = 5405.12 1CPU (startposition 87kns) 
1   LCZero 0.7 1CPU  2504  +381   1111111111½111111½10  18.0/20 !?
2   Popochin 4.0     2123  -381  0000000000½000000½01    2.0/20


Lczero 187 = 5297.69  (startposition 365 kns)
1   The Baron 3.42 x64 1CPU  2669  +190   11110½101111110½0111  15.0/20
2   LCZero 0.7 CPU 8Threads  2479  -190  00001½010000001½1000    5.0/20

Lczero 187 = 5297.69  (startposition 572 kns)
1   lczero v0.7 4CPU 2598   +89   ½1010½1111000101½111  12.5/20
2   Djinn 1.021 x64 2509    -89  ½0101½0000111010½000    7.5/20

Lczero 217 = 5405.12 1CPU (startposition 87kns) (+100 in selfplay = +50 against other opponents)
1   Djinn 1.021 x64  2509  +190   ½½11½1½101110½11111½  15.0/20
2   LCZero 0.7 1CPU  2319  -190  ½½00½0½010001½00000½    5.0/20

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Now testing new Network  15x192! CEGT Conditions 40/20
PC Benchmarks: t=1 Startposition depth 20 CPU Version 31 nps (before I had 87)

Network 227 = 5501.53   (I did not await such a jump from 2319 before)                     
1   Djinn 1.021 x64  2509   +70   ½½11½10100111½100½1½  12.0/20
2   LCZero 0.7 1CPU  2439   -70  ½½00½01011000½011½0½    8.0/20

Network 227 = 5501.53
1   The Baron 3.42 x64 1CPU  2669  +240   11111½11½10½111½1011  16.0/20
2   LCZero 0.7 1CPU          2429  -240  00000½00½01½000½0100    4.0/20

Network 227 = 5501.53 
1 Counter 2.6 x64 1CPU 2435 +145 +58/=29/-17 69.71% 72.5/104
2 LCZero 0.7 1CPU 2290 -145 +17/=29/-58 30.29% 31.5/104
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Re: Certainly not a 2100 Chess engine! ID 231

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Daniel Shawul wrote: Ah, I said on one CPU core, not on a GPU or a 44-core TCEC machine.
Feel free to twist my words and keep on trolling along with the OP

Here, CEGT tests for your entertainment :)
Please make another tournament where all the above engines use just the GPU to make it fair.
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Re: Certainly not a 2100 Chess engine! ID 231

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Jhoravi wrote:
Daniel Shawul wrote: Ah, I said on one CPU core, not on a GPU or a 44-core TCEC machine.
Feel free to twist my words and keep on trolling along with the OP

Here, CEGT tests for your entertainment :)
Please make another tournament where all the above engines use just the GPU to make it fair.
And another rating list CCRL agrees with me about the 2100ish rating on 1 core.

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 	Leela Chess 0.7 64-bit w187	2231	+42	−40	75.9%	−207.0	15.1%	278	 
100.0%
1	Leela Chess 0.5 64-bit w123	1959	+32	−32	46.9%	+24.8	17.7%	373
Giraffe has a neural network eval and it is about 2500 on 1 core.
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Re: Certainly not a 2100 Chess engine! ID 231

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Daniel Shawul wrote:
Jhoravi wrote:
Daniel Shawul wrote: Ah, I said on one CPU core, not on a GPU or a 44-core TCEC machine.
Feel free to twist my words and keep on trolling along with the OP

Here, CEGT tests for your entertainment :)
Please make another tournament where all the above engines use just the GPU to make it fair.
And another rating list CCRL agrees with me about the 2100ish rating on 1 core.

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 	Leela Chess 0.7 64-bit w187	2231	+42	−40	75.9%	−207.0	15.1%	278	 
100.0%
1	Leela Chess 0.5 64-bit w123	1959	+32	−32	46.9%	+24.8	17.7%	373
Giraffe has a neural network eval and it is about 2500 on 1 core.
Get a graphic card instead of trolling by frustration dear friend.
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Re: Certainly not a 2100 Chess engine! ID 231

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JJJ wrote:
Daniel Shawul wrote:
Jhoravi wrote:
Daniel Shawul wrote: Ah, I said on one CPU core, not on a GPU or a 44-core TCEC machine.
Feel free to twist my words and keep on trolling along with the OP

Here, CEGT tests for your entertainment :)
Please make another tournament where all the above engines use just the GPU to make it fair.
And another rating list CCRL agrees with me about the 2100ish rating on 1 core.

Code: Select all

 	Leela Chess 0.7 64-bit w187	2231	+42	−40	75.9%	−207.0	15.1%	278	 
100.0%
1	Leela Chess 0.5 64-bit w123	1959	+32	−32	46.9%	+24.8	17.7%	373
Giraffe has a neural network eval and it is about 2500 on 1 core.
Get a graphic card instead of trolling by frustration dear friend.
The trolls are those who twisted my words. What I said was its rating is 2100 ish on 1 CPU core -- not on a GPU or 44-core TCEC machine. Oh, but its rating is 2700 on a GPU is a strawman. If this fact bothers you, I suggest you start accepting the reality of the situation instead of labeling anyone who dares to point that out to you as a troll.

More results:

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Network 227 = 5501.53                                
1   Counter 2.6 x64 1CPU 2435  +145  +58/=29/-17 69.71%   72.5/104
2   LCZero 0.7 1CPU 2290       -145  +17/=29/-58 30.29%   31.5/104

Network 227 = 5501.53                              
1   NanoSzachy 4.1 x64 2357  +165  +30/=15/-7 72.12%   37.5/52
2   LCZero 0.7 1CPU 2192     -165  +7/=15/-30 27.88%   14.5/52  Sad

Network 227 = 5501.53 (the other 52 games are included) 
1 NanoSzachy 4.1 x64 2356 +169 +62/=27/-15 72.60% 75.5/104
2 LCZero 0.7 1CPU 2188 -169 +15/=27/-62 27.40% 28.5/104
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Re: Certainly not a 2100 Chess engine! ID 231

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Nobody cares about the strenght of LCzero on CPU but you. Everyone interested in just use GPU. Why is it so important to you to waste time with anger and saying "LCzero not good on equal hardware ?"
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Re: Certainly not a 2100 Chess engine! ID 231

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JJJ wrote: Why is it so important to you to waste time with anger and saying "LCzero not good on equal hardware ?"
Again a strawman, I said "LCZero is 2100 ish on 1 core"
Nobody cares about the strenght of LCzero on CPU but you. Everyone interested in just use GPU.
CEGT cares, CCRL cares, anybody who plans to run it on a CPU cares. People who plan to run it on their phone (by far the majority of chess engine users) actually do not care because it will not be ready for that next century :)
This fact alone should make you pose and think.

You don't care because you want to live in your bubble, well atleast until the hype fades with your new baby.
So many excited people giving unfair advantage to LCzero, like CCLS does giving a GTX 1080 while restraing all engines to a single CPU core.
That is like a 10x advantage for LCZero but he doesn't care... I care and so many others.
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Re: Certainly not a 2100 Chess engine! ID 231

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Daniel Shawul wrote:
JJJ wrote: Why is it so important to you to waste time with anger and saying "LCzero not good on equal hardware ?"
Again a strawman, I said "LCZero is 2100 ish on 1 core"
Nobody cares about the strenght of LCzero on CPU but you. Everyone interested in just use GPU.
CEGT cares, CCRL cares, anybody who plans to run it on a CPU cares. People who plan to run it on their phone (by far the majority of chess engine users) actually do not care because it will not be ready for that next century :)
This fact alone should make you pose and think.

You don't care because you want to live in your bubble, well atleast until the hype fades with your new baby.
So many excited people giving unfair advantage to LCzero, like CCLS does giving a GTX 1080 while restraing all engines to a single CPU core.
That is like a 10x advantage for LCZero but he doesn't care... I care and so many others.
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