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Re: Daniel Shawul - request

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Sylwy wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:52 am
Graham Banks wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:33 am
Sylwy wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:30 pm Only 10 games (from 100) in my test. Scorpio 3.0.14d NNUE (net-scorpio-k16.bin) is not far from 3300 Elo points (on a single CPU). I'm sure. Nice version !

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Scorpio 3.0.14d NNUE working like UCI engine in Fritz17_x64 GUI:

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Not sure whether it's still an issue, but with Scorpio using wb2uci under Fritz a while back, I found that it didn't like the repeating time control after move 40.
I installed Scorpio 3.0.14d directly like UCI engine on Fritz GUI (via Scorpio.exe, not Scorpio.bat like in Arena). Scorpio 3xx series is an WB+UCI chess engine. Nothing to do with the old Wb2Uci for this engine. So, using Scorpio.bat the engine is installed like WB in Arena GUI; using Scorpio.exe the engine is installed like UCI in Fritz, Shredder & co. GUIs.
The engine (with NNUE) works perfectly in Arena (like WB engine) and in Fritz GUI (like UCI engine) !
I think all is clear also for Krzysztof.
I reinstalled everything from scratch, unfortunately nothing has changed. I have Fat Fritz 2 installed. I tried to upload the ScorpioNN engine.Unfortunately, it also did not upload. A window like the one below appeared and nothing happens anymore.

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Re: Daniel Shawul - request

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It should say 545 egbbs so no.

Note that you have to set "egbb_files_path" for 6-men egbbs
https://github.com/dshawul/Scorpio/blob ... egbb-files

The "egbb_path" is now meant for setting the path to egbbdll.so that is also used for NN probing.
I suggest using separate directory for 6-men and setting egbb_files_path for it.
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Fantastic ! Rybka 4.1 is groggy !

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+27 -1 =8

+315 Elo points face to Rybka 4.1.

Rybka 4.1 x64 has 3110 Elo points (CCRL Blitz).

I'll wait for the end of the match, but I am sure that it is an engine of over 3400 Elo points on 1 CPU.

Congratulations, Daniel ! A top 5 chess engine ! And absolutely original ! It uses in this match its own NNUE (net-Scorpio-k16.bin).

.....and.....a very stable chess engine - installed like pure WB - on Arena GUI !
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Re: Daniel Shawul - request

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Dear Sylwy,
can you please write how to install ScorpioNN in Arena 3.5.1 and how to configure the engine.
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Re: Daniel Shawul - request

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Krzysztof Grzelak wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:16 pm Dear Sylwy,
can you please write how to install ScorpioNN in Arena 3.5.1 and how to configure the engine.
Described already above:

Manual for installing Scorpio 3.0.14d NNUE:

1.-download "install.bat" file from Daniel's archive:

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2.-put install.bat file in the directory where you want to install the engine;

3.-double-click on install.bat file. Now wait (you can listen to music, for example);

4.-when the installation is ready go to bin/windows folder:

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5.-edit Scorpio configuration file for the use with NNUE:

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6.-you can delete the big folder with NNs for use on GPU;

7.-install Scorpio.bat like WB engine (on Arena GUI).
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Pay attention to the points 5 & 7
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.....and works perfectly - like WB engine - in Arena GUI

The modification in Scorpio configuration file (the above point 5 ) are:

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SUCCESS !
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Re: Daniel Shawul - request

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Dear Sylwy,
I have such a request and you can share the ini file as an attachment.
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Re: Daniel Shawul - request

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amanjpro wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:03 pm You may want to provide a GUI installer. They are really easy to create, and much easier to use than a bat file
Dear Daniel,

We invite you to think about it to make the ScorpioNN engine easier for human installation.
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Re: Daniel Shawul - request

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Krzysztof Grzelak wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:42 pm Dear Sylwy,
I have such a request and you can share the ini file as an attachment.
Done. See PM !
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Daniel Shawul wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:43 pm It should say 545 egbbs so no.

Note that you have to set "egbb_files_path" for 6-men egbbs
https://github.com/dshawul/Scorpio/blob ... egbb-files

The "egbb_path" is now meant for setting the path to egbbdll.so that is also used for NN probing.
I suggest using separate directory for 6-men and setting egbb_files_path for it.
That's exactly how I have it set up.

Here's the scorpio.ini egbb part:

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egbb_path                .
egbb_files_path          D:\Tablebases\Scorpio
egbb_cache_size          256
egbb_load_type           3
egbb_depth_limit         6
I have the .dll files in the same directory as the engine, and the TBs on a different directory. All files are ok, but it won't load all of them. It's weird, because it should load all of them, or none at all... why 509?

And if I try the engine, I *DO* get tbhits, so they are working... somewhat.
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Re: Daniel Shawul - request

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Krzysztof Grzelak wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:25 pm
amanjpro wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:03 pm You may want to provide a GUI installer. They are really easy to create, and much easier to use than a bat file
Dear Daniel,

We invite you to think about it to make the ScorpioNN engine easier for human installation.
My match is in halfway:

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+330 Elo points for Scorpio 3.0.14d NNUE face to Rybka 4.1 !!!

Satisfaction is great when you can properly install such a complex and original engine. Nothing is like Scorpio. Daniel has already explained why he uses a .bat file to use the engine like WB and why the UCI version has limitations. I sit and wonder which version of Scorpio 3.0.14 tested CCRL (a-b-c-d ?), with what NNUE, how they set up Scorpio.ini, how they installed the engine (Wb2Uci?), etc,etc ..... I get over 3400 Elo points on 1 CPU . They on 8 CPUs!