Deep Fritz vs. Deep Junior -- Game 4: 0-1 (Junior again!)

[Vempele]

- Rybka against Zappa, which was the fastest engine in the tournament and in the world because it played on 128 processors!

http://www.rybkachess.com/docs/PADERBORNCOMPUTER.htm

Anyway, the match is so short that not much really matters. Except luck.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

In the ratings lists I see, Deep Fritz 10 rates higher than Deep Junior 10. What could be leading to Junior's solid performance in this match?

Opening preparation?
Better hardware?
Good luck?
Something else?

Hi Erik,
As I wrote several times beore,Junior's performance is much obvious when using it's own opening book....simple as that
Forcing it to play with ""hs","is","js" and so on generic opening books will definitely harm it's performance....

[Tony Thomas]

In the ratings lists I see, Deep Fritz 10 rates higher than Deep Junior 10. What could be leading to Junior's solid performance in this match?

Opening preparation?
Better hardware?
Good luck?
Something else?

Hi Erik,
As I wrote several times beore,Junior's performance is much obvious when using it's own opening book....simple as that
Forcing it to play with ""hs","is","js" and so on generic opening books will definitely harm it's performance....

Junior seems to be above in all the fields that Erik mentioned. They have better hardware, a more aggressive opening book, and on top of that good luck. Fritz was never known for its tournament performance were as Junior won more world championships than any other engine so far (even Shredder).

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

In the ratings lists I see, Deep Fritz 10 rates higher than Deep Junior 10. What could be leading to Junior's solid performance in this match?

Opening preparation?
Better hardware?
Good luck?
Something else?

Hi Erik,
As I wrote several times beore,Junior's performance is much obvious when using it's own opening book....simple as that
Forcing it to play with ""hs","is","js" and so on generic opening books will definitely harm it's performance....

Junior seems to be above in all the fields that Erik mentioned. They have better hardware, a more aggressive opening book, and on top of that good luck. Fritz was never known for its tournament performance were as Junior won more world championships than any other engine so far (even Shredder).

True Tony,damn true

[Uri Blass]

- Rybka against Zappa, which was the fastest engine in the tournament and in the world because it played on 128 processors!

http://www.rybkachess.com/docs/PADERBORNCOMPUTER.htm

Anyway, the match is so short that not much really matters. Except luck.

I remember that zap was supposed to use 128 processors against rybka but had technical problems to use them.

I remember that anthony posted something about it.

Uri

[M ANSARI]

Yes Zap Paderborn had many bugs ... if I remember correctly it overlooked a mate in 2 or 3 or something like that. Zap Zanzibar came after that and has all the nice bug fixes. Another version of Zap which is a UCI version is also running around ... but unfortunately it is not available to all Zap owners. I would guess that the latest version of Zap would be able to run 128 processors just fine.

[Leto]

At CEGT 40/120, Deep Fritz 10 2CPU beat Deep Junior 10 2CPU by a score of 28.5-21.5, scoring 57%. Deep Fritz 10 2CPU is rated 61 elo higher than Deep Junior 10 in that list, with both engines each having about 1000 games, which is quite a significant amount of games for tournament time control.
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_120_ ... ist/5.html

I find it interesting to note that the hardware DF10 is using for this match is much faster than the hardware that was used against Kramnik, yet Deep Junior has managed to score 2 wins while Kramnik didn't even manage a single win! I think that pretty much tells us how weak the strongest human is compared to the top chess engines.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

At CEGT 40/120, Deep Fritz 10 2CPU beat Deep Junior 10 2CPU by a score of 28.5-21.5, scoring 57%. Deep Fritz 10 2CPU is rated 61 elo higher than Deep Junior 10 in that list, with both engines each having about 1000 games, which is quite a significant amount of games for tournament time control.
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_120_ ... ist/5.html

I find it interesting to note that the hardware DF10 is using for this match is much faster than the hardware that was used against Kramnik, yet Deep Junior has managed to score 2 wins while Kramnik didn't even manage a single win! I think that pretty much tells us how weak the strongest human is compared to the top chess engines.

Oooops.watch out Leto,Terry is gonna gatch ya

[Daniel Mehrmann]

In the ratings lists I see, Deep Fritz 10 rates higher than Deep Junior 10. What could be leading to Junior's solid performance in this match?

Opening preparation?
Better hardware?
Good luck?
Something else?

Well, why not easy enjoy these games ??

This ratinglist stuff makes me crazy. In fact, i believe it destroy the soul of computerchess, the fun factor, of such events.

On such events like a WC, Leiden, Paderborn and other tourneys ratinglists are the most wrong thing you can talk about.

I don't say ratinglists are bad, no way, but such event are different. Take it as it comes and enjoy.

Best,
Daniel

[Leto]

Alexander Kure, Fritz' opening book author, does not look happy at all.

http://chessbase.de/nachrichten.asp?newsid=6690

It is interesting to note that in one of the images you can clearly see that they are using Deep Junior 11.