P.S.To Geno in bulgarian:
Geno,da ne stava vapros za Mara podrobnata
So,where is this Toga Mara?
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Dr.Wael Deeb
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So,where is this Toga Mara?
A version of Toga improved by 100-200 Elo
P.S.To Geno in bulgarian:
Geno,da ne stava vapros za Mara podrobnata
P.S.To Geno in bulgarian:
Geno,da ne stava vapros za Mara podrobnata
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
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GenoM
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Re: So,where is this Toga Mara?
Hi, Doc.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:A version of Toga improved by 100-200 Elo
P.S.To Geno in bulgarian:
Geno,da ne stava vapros za Mara podrobnata
AFAIK, the developer of Mara is working together with testers and developers of Toga (at least, Eelco wrote here that he've been testing this monster of tomorrow). For example here:
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 36&t=23361
P.S. to Wael in Bulgarian:
Niama nachin da ne e tia!
tolkova vreme ia chakame veche 
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Dr.Wael Deeb
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Re: So,where is this Toga Mara?
Thanks buddyGenoM wrote:Hi, Doc.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:A version of Toga improved by 100-200 Elo
P.S.To Geno in bulgarian:
Geno,da ne stava vapros za Mara podrobnata
AFAIK, the developer of Mara is working together with testers and developers of Toga (at least, Eelco wrote here that he've been testing this monster of tomorrow). For example here:
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 36&t=23361
P.S. to Wael in Bulgarian:
Niama nachin da ne e tia!
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
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Eelco de Groot
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Re: So,where is this Toga Mara?
Somewhere here, trough the looking glass?
Toga Mara in a Rybka testposition from Dann on Rybka forum.
Analyzing move 20 of one of the Blitzgames from BigMomma's database the two Toga Mara versions differ more clearly than in the testposition:
[Event "3m + 0s, rated"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2007.10.20"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Marcel schweren, Rybka 2.3.2a mp 32-"]
[Black "Parfo, Rybka 2.3.2a mp"]
[WhiteElo "2562"]
[BlackElo "2628"]
[ECO "E15"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. c4 Nf6 2. d4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. b3 Bb4+ 6. Bd2
Be7 7. Bg2 d5 8. Ne5 Nfd7 9. Nxf7 Kxf7 10. cxd5 c6
11. dxe6+ Kxe6 12. b4 Kf7 13. Qb3+ Ke8 14. Nc3 Nf6 15. b5
Bb7 16. Bf4 Qxd4 17. Rc1 a6 18. a3 Qd7 19. bxa6 Nxa6
20. O-O Nc5 21. Qxb6 Rxa3 22. Rfd1 Rb3 23. Qa7 Qe6 24. Qb8+
Bc8 25. Qc7 Kf7 26. Be3 Na6 27. Qxc6 Qxc6 28. Bxc6 Nb4
29. Bf3 Bf5 30. Nb5 Nd3 31. Rxd3 Rxb5 32. Rd4 Rc8 33. Rxc8
Bxc8 34. Kg2 Ra5 35. Rd2 Be6 36. Bb6 Rb5 37. Bd4 Bc5
38. Bxc5 Rxc5 39. Bb7 Rb5 40. Ba6 Ra5 41. Bd3 Nd7 42. Rb2
Kf6 43. f4 Nc5 44. Bb1 Bd5+ 45. Kf2 g6 46. Rb6+ Ke7 47. Ke3
Ra4 48. Bc2 Rc4 49. Bb1 Be6 50. Rb2 Bg4 51. Rb5 Kd6
52. Rb6+ Kc7 53. Rb2 Kc6 54. Bd3 Nxd3 55. Kxd3 Kc5 56. e4
Be6 57. Rf2 Ra4 58. Rc2+ Bc4+ 59. Ke3 Ra3+ 60. Kf2 Kd4
61. e5 Ra2 62. Rxa2 Bxa2 63. Kf3 Be6 64. Kf2 Bg4 65. e6
Bxe6 66. Kf3 h5 67. Ke2 Bg4+ 68. Kf2 Ke4 69. f5 gxf5
70. Kg1 Ke3 71. Kf1 f4 72. gxf4 Kxf4 73. Kg2 h4 74. Kf2 Bf3
75. Kg1 Bb7 76. Kf2 Kg4 77. Kf1 Kh3 78. Kg1 Bg2 79. Kf2
Kxh2 80. Ke1 Kg3 81. Kd1 h3 82. Ke1 h2 83. Kd2 h1=Q 84. Kc2
Bd5 85. Kb2 Qf3 86. Kb1 Qe2 87. Kc1 Bc4 88. Kb1 Bb3 89. Ka1
Qa2# 0-1
After 19... Nxa6:
The newer version 1 finds Qxb6 earlier than version 2, but sometimes it is the other way round. White already seems to have lost the "Rybka Hammer" thread here, Black is better:
[d]r3k2r/1b1qb1pp/npp2n2/8/5B2/PQN3P1/4PPBP/2R1K2R w K -
Engine: Toga Mara Beta 1 (64 MB)
by Fabien Letouzey, Thomas Gaksch and Tam
9/31 0:01 -0.23 20.Rd1 Nd5 21.Nxd5 cxd5 22.Bxd5 Bxd5
23.Rxd5 Nc5 24.Qf3 Qa7 25.Bc1 Qa5+
26.Kf1 (343.014) 271
10/38 0:05 -0.73 20.Rd1 Qf5 21.Qxb6 Nc5 22.Bd6 Ra6
23.Qb2 Bxd6 24.Rxd6 Qe5 25.Qd2 Rxa3
26.Rd8+ Kf7 27.Rxh8 Qxc3 (1.412.896) 269
10/38 0:09 -0.40 20.Qxb6 Bc5 21.Qb2 Bd4 22.Rd1 Nc5
23.Be3 Na4 24.Nxa4 Bxb2 25.Rxd7 Kxd7
26.Nxb2 Rxa3 27.Bh3+ Kc7 28.Bf4+ Kd8 (2.606.826) 274
11/38 0:22 -0.88 20.Qxb6 Bxa3 21.O-O Bxc1 22.Rxc1 Kf7
23.Qb3+ Kf8 24.e4 Qf7 25.Qb6 Kg8
26.Rb1 Bc8 27.Qxc6 Qa7 (6.293.310) 282
11/38 0:23 -0.45 20.Rd1 Qf5 21.Qxb6 Nc5 22.Bd6 Ra6
23.Qb4 Bxd6 24.Rxd6 Qe5 25.Rd4 Rxa3
26.O-O (6.807.733) 282
12/40 0:45 -0.88 20.Rd1 Qf5 21.Qxb6 Nc5 22.Bd6 Bxd6
23.Rxd6 Kf7 24.Qc7+ Kg8 25.O-O Ne8
26.Rd8 Qf8 27.Rxa8 Nxc7 28.Rxf8+ Kxf8 (12.820.275) 278
13/41 1:32 -0.81 20.Rd1 Qf5 21.Qxb6 Nc5 22.Bd6 Bxd6
23.Rxd6 Kf7 24.Qc7+ Kg6 25.O-O Rxa3
26.Nd1 Qe5 27.f4 Qxe2 28.Rf2 Qe1+
29.Bf1 (25.882.489) 278
14/44 3:35 -0.93 20.Rd1 Qf5 21.Qxb6 Nc5 22.Bd6 Bxd6
23.Rxd6 Kf7 24.Qc7+ Kg6 25.O-O Qc2
26.Be4+ Ncxe4 27.Nxe4 Qxe4 28.Qxb7 Qxe2
29.Qb1+ Kf7 30.Qb3+ Nd5 31.Rxc6 Rhd8 (61.355.321) 284
14/44 5:59 -0.52 20.Qxb6 Bxa3 21.O-O Nc5 22.Rcd1 Ra6
23.Qb1 Nd5 24.Ne4 Nxe4 25.Qxe4+ Kf8
26.Qd3 Qe7 27.e4 Nxf4 28.gxf4 Bc5
29.Qd8+ Qe8 (102.935.737) 286
15/48 18:58 -0.42 20.Qxb6 Nc5 21.Be3 Ra6 22.Qb2 Bc8
23.O-O Qb7 24.Qc2 Qb3 25.Qd2 Kf7
26.Bxc5 Bxc5 27.Ne4 Nxe4 28.Bxe4 Qxa3
29.Qg5 (324.594.040) 285
16/49 38:43 -0.56 20.Qxb6 Nc5 21.Be3 Ra6 22.Qb1 Rxa3
23.Bxc5 Bxc5 24.O-O Qe7 25.Ne4 Nxe4
26.Bxe4 Ra5 27.Bxh7 g5 28.Bf5 Kf8
29.Qb2 Rh6 30.Rfd1 (655.385.206) 282
best move: Qb3xb6 time: 79:42.078 min n/s: 278.505 CPU 100.0% n/s(1CPU): 278.505 nodes: 1.331.830.000
r3k2r/1b1qb1pp/npp2n2/8/5B2/PQN3P1/4PPBP/2R1K2R w K -
Engine: Toga Mara Beta 2 (64 MB)
by Fabien Letouzey, Thomas Gaksch and Tam
9/30 0:01 -0.35 20.O-O Nc5 21.Qxb6 Qe6 22.Be3 Nfd7
23.Qb4 Kf7 24.Bxc5 Nxc5 25.Rfd1 (274.158) 218
10/30 0:03 -0.29 20.O-O Nc5 21.Qxb6 Ra6 22.Qb2 Kf7
23.Be3 Rb8 24.Rfd1 Qe6 25.Rd4 (712.371) 230
11/30 0:08 -0.38 20.O-O Nc5 21.Qxb6 Qe6 22.Be3 Nfd7
23.Qb4 Rb8 24.Bxc5 Bxc5 25.Qa5 Kf7
26.Rfd1 (1.957.231) 242
12/34 0:26 -0.39 20.O-O Nc5 21.Qxb6 Rxa3 22.Rfd1 Rb3
23.Qa5 Qe6 24.Be3 Nfd7 25.Bxc5 Nxc5
26.Rd4 Kf7 (6.600.289) 250
13/40 1:09 -0.60 20.O-O Nc5 21.Qxb6 Rxa3 22.Rfd1 Rb3
23.Qa5 Qe6 24.Be3 Nfd7 25.Bxc5 Nxc5
26.Rd4 Kf7 27.Qc7 (17.722.355) 253
14/48 3:36 -0.34 20.O-O Bc5 21.Na4 Nd5 22.Be5 Kf8
23.e4 Re8 24.exd5 Rxe5 25.Nxc5 bxc5
26.Rb1 Bc8 27.dxc6 Qf7 28.f4 Re2
29.Bd5 (56.169.154) 260
15/48 9:27 -1.23 20.O-O Nc5 21.Qxb6 Rxa3 22.Qb2 Rb3
23.Qc2 Nd5 24.Nxd5 cxd5 25.Be5 Kf7
26.Rfe1 Rb5 27.Bf3 Kg8 28.Bh5 (148.603.543) 261
15/49 15:49 -0.99 20.Rd1 Qf5 21.Qxb6 Nc5 22.a4 Kf7
23.O-O Rhd8 24.Rxd8 Rxd8 25.Rb1 Rd7
26.Qa5 Qc2 27.Be3 Nb3 28.Qe5 Ba6 (249.703.758) 263
15/56 35:59 -0.50 20.Qxb6 Nc5 21.Be3 Ra6 22.Qb1 Rxa3
23.O-O Nb3 24.Rcd1 Qe6 25.Qb2 Ng4
26.Nb1 Qf6 27.Qxf6 Nxf6 28.Nxa3 Bxa3
29.Bf3 (585.214.705) 270
16/56 58:48 -0.78 20.Qxb6 Nc5 21.Be3 Ra6 22.Qb1 Rxa3
23.Bxc5 Bxc5 24.O-O Ra5 25.Qb3 Qc7
26.Na4 Bd6 27.Rfd1 Kf8 28.Nc3 Bc5
29.Kf1 (973.327.753) 275
best move: Qb3xb6 time: 79:42.093 min n/s: 273.265 CPU 100.0% n/s(1CPU): 273.265 nodes: 1.306.780.000
Toga Mara in a Rybka testposition from Dann on Rybka forum.
Analyzing move 20 of one of the Blitzgames from BigMomma's database the two Toga Mara versions differ more clearly than in the testposition:
[Event "3m + 0s, rated"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2007.10.20"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Marcel schweren, Rybka 2.3.2a mp 32-"]
[Black "Parfo, Rybka 2.3.2a mp"]
[WhiteElo "2562"]
[BlackElo "2628"]
[ECO "E15"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. c4 Nf6 2. d4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. b3 Bb4+ 6. Bd2
Be7 7. Bg2 d5 8. Ne5 Nfd7 9. Nxf7 Kxf7 10. cxd5 c6
11. dxe6+ Kxe6 12. b4 Kf7 13. Qb3+ Ke8 14. Nc3 Nf6 15. b5
Bb7 16. Bf4 Qxd4 17. Rc1 a6 18. a3 Qd7 19. bxa6 Nxa6
20. O-O Nc5 21. Qxb6 Rxa3 22. Rfd1 Rb3 23. Qa7 Qe6 24. Qb8+
Bc8 25. Qc7 Kf7 26. Be3 Na6 27. Qxc6 Qxc6 28. Bxc6 Nb4
29. Bf3 Bf5 30. Nb5 Nd3 31. Rxd3 Rxb5 32. Rd4 Rc8 33. Rxc8
Bxc8 34. Kg2 Ra5 35. Rd2 Be6 36. Bb6 Rb5 37. Bd4 Bc5
38. Bxc5 Rxc5 39. Bb7 Rb5 40. Ba6 Ra5 41. Bd3 Nd7 42. Rb2
Kf6 43. f4 Nc5 44. Bb1 Bd5+ 45. Kf2 g6 46. Rb6+ Ke7 47. Ke3
Ra4 48. Bc2 Rc4 49. Bb1 Be6 50. Rb2 Bg4 51. Rb5 Kd6
52. Rb6+ Kc7 53. Rb2 Kc6 54. Bd3 Nxd3 55. Kxd3 Kc5 56. e4
Be6 57. Rf2 Ra4 58. Rc2+ Bc4+ 59. Ke3 Ra3+ 60. Kf2 Kd4
61. e5 Ra2 62. Rxa2 Bxa2 63. Kf3 Be6 64. Kf2 Bg4 65. e6
Bxe6 66. Kf3 h5 67. Ke2 Bg4+ 68. Kf2 Ke4 69. f5 gxf5
70. Kg1 Ke3 71. Kf1 f4 72. gxf4 Kxf4 73. Kg2 h4 74. Kf2 Bf3
75. Kg1 Bb7 76. Kf2 Kg4 77. Kf1 Kh3 78. Kg1 Bg2 79. Kf2
Kxh2 80. Ke1 Kg3 81. Kd1 h3 82. Ke1 h2 83. Kd2 h1=Q 84. Kc2
Bd5 85. Kb2 Qf3 86. Kb1 Qe2 87. Kc1 Bc4 88. Kb1 Bb3 89. Ka1
Qa2# 0-1
After 19... Nxa6:
The newer version 1 finds Qxb6 earlier than version 2, but sometimes it is the other way round. White already seems to have lost the "Rybka Hammer" thread here, Black is better:
[d]r3k2r/1b1qb1pp/npp2n2/8/5B2/PQN3P1/4PPBP/2R1K2R w K -
Engine: Toga Mara Beta 1 (64 MB)
by Fabien Letouzey, Thomas Gaksch and Tam
9/31 0:01 -0.23 20.Rd1 Nd5 21.Nxd5 cxd5 22.Bxd5 Bxd5
23.Rxd5 Nc5 24.Qf3 Qa7 25.Bc1 Qa5+
26.Kf1 (343.014) 271
10/38 0:05 -0.73 20.Rd1 Qf5 21.Qxb6 Nc5 22.Bd6 Ra6
23.Qb2 Bxd6 24.Rxd6 Qe5 25.Qd2 Rxa3
26.Rd8+ Kf7 27.Rxh8 Qxc3 (1.412.896) 269
10/38 0:09 -0.40 20.Qxb6 Bc5 21.Qb2 Bd4 22.Rd1 Nc5
23.Be3 Na4 24.Nxa4 Bxb2 25.Rxd7 Kxd7
26.Nxb2 Rxa3 27.Bh3+ Kc7 28.Bf4+ Kd8 (2.606.826) 274
11/38 0:22 -0.88 20.Qxb6 Bxa3 21.O-O Bxc1 22.Rxc1 Kf7
23.Qb3+ Kf8 24.e4 Qf7 25.Qb6 Kg8
26.Rb1 Bc8 27.Qxc6 Qa7 (6.293.310) 282
11/38 0:23 -0.45 20.Rd1 Qf5 21.Qxb6 Nc5 22.Bd6 Ra6
23.Qb4 Bxd6 24.Rxd6 Qe5 25.Rd4 Rxa3
26.O-O (6.807.733) 282
12/40 0:45 -0.88 20.Rd1 Qf5 21.Qxb6 Nc5 22.Bd6 Bxd6
23.Rxd6 Kf7 24.Qc7+ Kg8 25.O-O Ne8
26.Rd8 Qf8 27.Rxa8 Nxc7 28.Rxf8+ Kxf8 (12.820.275) 278
13/41 1:32 -0.81 20.Rd1 Qf5 21.Qxb6 Nc5 22.Bd6 Bxd6
23.Rxd6 Kf7 24.Qc7+ Kg6 25.O-O Rxa3
26.Nd1 Qe5 27.f4 Qxe2 28.Rf2 Qe1+
29.Bf1 (25.882.489) 278
14/44 3:35 -0.93 20.Rd1 Qf5 21.Qxb6 Nc5 22.Bd6 Bxd6
23.Rxd6 Kf7 24.Qc7+ Kg6 25.O-O Qc2
26.Be4+ Ncxe4 27.Nxe4 Qxe4 28.Qxb7 Qxe2
29.Qb1+ Kf7 30.Qb3+ Nd5 31.Rxc6 Rhd8 (61.355.321) 284
14/44 5:59 -0.52 20.Qxb6 Bxa3 21.O-O Nc5 22.Rcd1 Ra6
23.Qb1 Nd5 24.Ne4 Nxe4 25.Qxe4+ Kf8
26.Qd3 Qe7 27.e4 Nxf4 28.gxf4 Bc5
29.Qd8+ Qe8 (102.935.737) 286
15/48 18:58 -0.42 20.Qxb6 Nc5 21.Be3 Ra6 22.Qb2 Bc8
23.O-O Qb7 24.Qc2 Qb3 25.Qd2 Kf7
26.Bxc5 Bxc5 27.Ne4 Nxe4 28.Bxe4 Qxa3
29.Qg5 (324.594.040) 285
16/49 38:43 -0.56 20.Qxb6 Nc5 21.Be3 Ra6 22.Qb1 Rxa3
23.Bxc5 Bxc5 24.O-O Qe7 25.Ne4 Nxe4
26.Bxe4 Ra5 27.Bxh7 g5 28.Bf5 Kf8
29.Qb2 Rh6 30.Rfd1 (655.385.206) 282
best move: Qb3xb6 time: 79:42.078 min n/s: 278.505 CPU 100.0% n/s(1CPU): 278.505 nodes: 1.331.830.000
r3k2r/1b1qb1pp/npp2n2/8/5B2/PQN3P1/4PPBP/2R1K2R w K -
Engine: Toga Mara Beta 2 (64 MB)
by Fabien Letouzey, Thomas Gaksch and Tam
9/30 0:01 -0.35 20.O-O Nc5 21.Qxb6 Qe6 22.Be3 Nfd7
23.Qb4 Kf7 24.Bxc5 Nxc5 25.Rfd1 (274.158) 218
10/30 0:03 -0.29 20.O-O Nc5 21.Qxb6 Ra6 22.Qb2 Kf7
23.Be3 Rb8 24.Rfd1 Qe6 25.Rd4 (712.371) 230
11/30 0:08 -0.38 20.O-O Nc5 21.Qxb6 Qe6 22.Be3 Nfd7
23.Qb4 Rb8 24.Bxc5 Bxc5 25.Qa5 Kf7
26.Rfd1 (1.957.231) 242
12/34 0:26 -0.39 20.O-O Nc5 21.Qxb6 Rxa3 22.Rfd1 Rb3
23.Qa5 Qe6 24.Be3 Nfd7 25.Bxc5 Nxc5
26.Rd4 Kf7 (6.600.289) 250
13/40 1:09 -0.60 20.O-O Nc5 21.Qxb6 Rxa3 22.Rfd1 Rb3
23.Qa5 Qe6 24.Be3 Nfd7 25.Bxc5 Nxc5
26.Rd4 Kf7 27.Qc7 (17.722.355) 253
14/48 3:36 -0.34 20.O-O Bc5 21.Na4 Nd5 22.Be5 Kf8
23.e4 Re8 24.exd5 Rxe5 25.Nxc5 bxc5
26.Rb1 Bc8 27.dxc6 Qf7 28.f4 Re2
29.Bd5 (56.169.154) 260
15/48 9:27 -1.23 20.O-O Nc5 21.Qxb6 Rxa3 22.Qb2 Rb3
23.Qc2 Nd5 24.Nxd5 cxd5 25.Be5 Kf7
26.Rfe1 Rb5 27.Bf3 Kg8 28.Bh5 (148.603.543) 261
15/49 15:49 -0.99 20.Rd1 Qf5 21.Qxb6 Nc5 22.a4 Kf7
23.O-O Rhd8 24.Rxd8 Rxd8 25.Rb1 Rd7
26.Qa5 Qc2 27.Be3 Nb3 28.Qe5 Ba6 (249.703.758) 263
15/56 35:59 -0.50 20.Qxb6 Nc5 21.Be3 Ra6 22.Qb1 Rxa3
23.O-O Nb3 24.Rcd1 Qe6 25.Qb2 Ng4
26.Nb1 Qf6 27.Qxf6 Nxf6 28.Nxa3 Bxa3
29.Bf3 (585.214.705) 270
16/56 58:48 -0.78 20.Qxb6 Nc5 21.Be3 Ra6 22.Qb1 Rxa3
23.Bxc5 Bxc5 24.O-O Ra5 25.Qb3 Qc7
26.Na4 Bd6 27.Rfd1 Kf8 28.Nc3 Bc5
29.Kf1 (973.327.753) 275
best move: Qb3xb6 time: 79:42.093 min n/s: 273.265 CPU 100.0% n/s(1CPU): 273.265 nodes: 1.306.780.000
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are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it.
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