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								Ovyron  
									
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									Post by Ovyron  Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:43 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			Dirt wrote: Code: Select all 
           Rybka      GM
Lose         0         0
Draw         1         3
Win          2         4
Isn't that the same than: 
Code: Select all 
           Rybka      GM
Lose         0         0
Draw         0         2
Win          0         2
?
In the end what matters is point difference.
 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
				
		
		
			
				
																			
								Dirt  
									
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									Post by Dirt  Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:23 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			Ovyron wrote: Dirt wrote: Code: Select all 
           Rybka      GM
Lose         0         0
Draw         1         3
Win          2         4
Isn't that the same than:
Code: Select all 
           Rybka      GM
Lose         0         0
Draw         0         2
Win          0         2
?
In the end what matters is point difference.
No, I guess my table isn't clear to you.  Perhaps this equivalent table is better:  
Code: Select all 
                Rybka      GM
Rybka Loss         0         4
Rybka Draw         1         3
Rybka Win          2         0
If you prefer, this is the same as:
Code: Select all 
                Rybka      GM
Rybka Loss         0         4
Rybka Draw         0         2
Rybka Win          2         0 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
				
		
		
			
				
																			
								Dirt  
									
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									Post by Dirt  Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:32 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			swami wrote: Dirt wrote: Inspired by the Bilbao scoring, here is a handicap that would give a GM a fair chance but would result in real chess games.  Just use the following point table:
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           Rybka      GM
Lose         0         0
Draw         1         3
Win          2         4
If the human never wins this is equivalent to draw odds, yet there is still an incentive to try for the win.
If Rybka gets a draw, human deserves 3 points? But if Rybka wins, only 2 points will be rewarded? Don't you think that's slightly unfair.
I would slightly modify your version and propose this scoring instead which would make sense mathematically:
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           Rybka      GM
Lose         0         0
Draw         1         2
Win          2         4
A handicap match can't really be fair.  I was trying to give at least draw odds, while yours is probably a bit less (depending on what the GM's chance of a win is).  For a strong enough player yours might be better.