Grand Blitz Tournament - 2 : Predict the Top 6 Engines!

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Your Super-6! Bet?

Poll ended at Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:13 pm

NOW
6
13%
Little Thought
6
13%
Brutus
2
4%
Tornado
2
4%
Tytan
3
7%
Joker
6
13%
Chispa
3
7%
Sorgenkind
6
13%
Sage
2
4%
OTHER
9
20%
 
Total votes: 45

swami
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Re: Grand Blitz Tournament - 2 : Predict the Top 6 Engines!

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beachknight wrote: PS: Please note that I have employed x64 versions
of engines where available.
I don't have 64 bits, I've only 32 bits.
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NOW is a sentimental favorite of mine. I have swapped many programming thoughts with the author online; he has tried many original ideas, and is happy to share results.

-Sam
Tony Thomas

Re: Grand Blitz Tournament - 2 : Predict the Top 6 Engines!

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BubbaTough wrote:NOW is a sentimental favorite of mine. I have swapped many programming thoughts with the author online; he has tried many original ideas, and is happy to share results.

-Sam
The problem is with those extremely original ideas, the program might improve a lot, or it might start acting funny. I did test few versions of Now, and the results were not stable from version to version.
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Tony Thomas wrote:
BubbaTough wrote:NOW is a sentimental favorite of mine. I have swapped many programming thoughts with the author online; he has tried many original ideas, and is happy to share results.

-Sam
The problem is with those extremely original ideas, the program might improve a lot, or it might start acting funny. I did test few versions of Now, and the results were not stable from version to version.
Yes, I watched NOW get weaker over the course of time for a while. That is just life when you want to try a lot of different things and can't really do thorough testing on them. For me, it helps me enjoy NOW more not less, as I watch it morph. If the only goal is program strength its not so good...but the approach is more fun. When developing actively, I would say LearningLemming, NOW, and Romi are all programs that tend to bubble with more crazy ideas than can be accurately tested...but since Romi has a dedicated tester its perturbations of strength do not make it to the public :).

-Sam
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Re: Grand Blitz Tournament - 2 : Predict the Top 6 Engines!

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swami wrote:
beachknight wrote:Hi gang,

Intermediate report

Following engines are out of equation in my tests:

-- I dont have versions of NOW.

-- Sage 353 performed much better than 351
who Swami includes in his tests.

-- Joker 1114w was suggested to use by HGM,
but I like 1117w.

-- Chispa and Natwarlal, I had not the chance
to include both of them in my new tests.

-- Asterisk lost all games with time forfeit.

Best,
I guess I missed downloading the latest version of Sage engine.
You are right, Asterisk did lose some games in time. Joker 1114 better blitzer than 1117. 1117 had some bug fixed but plays worse compared to 1114!
If you had included Sage 353, I would certainly have picked in TOP TEN.
I had few games with both Jokers. My impression is just the opposite of
yours. Perhaps a new Joker will clear our dispute on this matter. :)

Best,
hi, merhaba, hallo HT
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Re: Grand Blitz Tournament - 2 : Predict the Top 6 Engines!

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swami wrote:
beachknight wrote: PS: Please note that I have employed x64 versions
of engines where available.
I don't have 64 bits, I've only 32 bits.
I suppose your computer supports EM64T.
You can install XP or Vista 64 bit as second OS.

Best,

PS: I tried installing linux as third OS to include
linux engines in my tests. Could not manage it.
Perhaps later.
hi, merhaba, hallo HT
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Re: Grand Blitz Tournament - 2 : Predict the Top 6 Engines!

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BubbaTough wrote:
Tony Thomas wrote:
BubbaTough wrote:NOW is a sentimental favorite of mine. I have swapped many programming thoughts with the author online; he has tried many original ideas, and is happy to share results.

-Sam
The problem is with those extremely original ideas, the program might improve a lot, or it might start acting funny. I did test few versions of Now, and the results were not stable from version to version.
Yes, I watched NOW get weaker over the course of time for a while. That is just life when you want to try a lot of different things and can't really do thorough testing on them. For me, it helps me enjoy NOW more not less, as I watch it morph. If the only goal is program strength its not so good...but the approach is more fun. When developing actively, I would say LearningLemming, NOW, and Romi are all programs that tend to bubble with more crazy ideas than can be accurately tested...but since Romi has a dedicated tester its perturbations of strength do not make it to the public :).

-Sam
Gentleman,

I'd like to include best versions of Now, LL and
Romi in my tests. I'll be grateful for your help.

Best,
hi, merhaba, hallo HT
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Re: Grand Blitz Tournament - 2 : Predict the Top 6 Engines!

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beachknight wrote:
swami wrote:
beachknight wrote: PS: Please note that I have employed x64 versions
of engines where available.
I don't have 64 bits, I've only 32 bits.
I suppose your computer supports EM64T.
You can install XP or Vista 64 bit as second OS.

Best,

PS: I tried installing linux as third OS to include
linux engines in my tests. Could not manage it.
Perhaps later.
Hi Harun,

Sorry if my question sounds silly, but how do I determine whether or not my computer supports EM64T?

Thanks!
Tony Thomas

Re: Grand Blitz Tournament - 2 : Predict the Top 6 Engines!

Post by Tony Thomas »

swami wrote:
beachknight wrote:
swami wrote:
beachknight wrote: PS: Please note that I have employed x64 versions
of engines where available.
I don't have 64 bits, I've only 32 bits.
I suppose your computer supports EM64T.
You can install XP or Vista 64 bit as second OS.

Best,

PS: I tried installing linux as third OS to include
linux engines in my tests. Could not manage it.
Perhaps later.
Hi Harun,

Sorry if my question sounds silly, but how do I determine whether or not my computer supports EM64T?

Thanks!
Since you have a core2quad, it is safe to assume that the processor is 64bits. Now all you need is a 64bit operating system to take full advantage.

Unleash the beeesht I say..
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Re: Grand Blitz Tournament - 2 : Predict the Top 6 Engines!

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Tony Thomas wrote:
swami wrote:
beachknight wrote:
swami wrote:
beachknight wrote: PS: Please note that I have employed x64 versions
of engines where available.
I don't have 64 bits, I've only 32 bits.
I suppose your computer supports EM64T.
You can install XP or Vista 64 bit as second OS.

Best,

PS: I tried installing linux as third OS to include
linux engines in my tests. Could not manage it.
Perhaps later.
Hi Harun,

Sorry if my question sounds silly, but how do I determine whether or not my computer supports EM64T?

Thanks!
Since you have a core2quad, it is safe to assume that the processor is 64bits. Now all you need is a 64bit operating system to take full advantage.

Unleash the beeesht I say..
I agree with Tony.

Try in case you wanna be sure:

http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

and look at instructions section at the first page.

Best,
Last edited by beachknight on Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:36 pm, edited 2 times in total.
hi, merhaba, hallo HT