Engine testing with opening books - why?

[Kirill Kryukov]

thanks Kirill for your detailed response,
what you say makes sense.

I guess Grant's suggestion is the solution really:

Ideally when using a common opening book, it is best to let each engine play from the particular opening position that arises as both White and Black.

As far as you know, can this be done with most (or any) GUIs or tournament managers?

Yes, it's a good solution. Unfortunately it is not supported in gauntlet tournaments in GUIs I am using.

[GenoM]

Wael, watch out -- this is kind of Dr. Jekyll & mr. Hyde story both existing side by side in the mind of our old buddy Graham

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Wael, watch out -- this is kind of Dr. Jekyll & mr. Hyde story both existing side by side in the mind of our old buddy Graham

I know,that's why I am running....

[Graham Banks]

Wael, watch out -- this is kind of Dr. Jekyll & mr. Hyde story both existing side by side in the mind of our old buddy Graham

I know,that's why I am running....

Almost have you.

[jdart]

I think that out of all people using chess engines, most are doing analysis rather than playing with them.

Probably true in general, but unlike most, my engine has a native GUI and installer. It's been downloaded hundreds of thousands of times. I am sure 99% of users of the program download it, install it, run it, and don't ever change any of the options. They haven't even heard of Winboard.

Of course the same is true for many commercial programs, especially the more widely distributed ones such as Chessmaster.

--Jon

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

I think that out of all people using chess engines, most are doing analysis rather than playing with them.

Probably true in general, but unlike most, my engine has a native GUI and installer. It's been downloaded hundreds of thousands of times. I am sure 99% of users of the program download it, install it, run it, and don't ever change any of the options. They haven't even heard of Winboard.

Of course the same is true for many commercial programs, especially the more widely distributed ones such as Chessmaster.

--Jon

Hi Jon,
I myself play the chess engines as I include myself in my own tournaments and in the rating list of course,so,I will meet Arasan soon
BTW,your GUI is great,I only miss a tournament mode to match the chess engines and I'll never use another GUI....so,is that possible

[Michael Sherwin]

I think that out of all people using chess engines, most are doing analysis rather than playing with them.

Probably true in general, but unlike most, my engine has a native GUI and installer. It's been downloaded hundreds of thousands of times. I am sure 99% of users of the program download it, install it, run it, and don't ever change any of the options. They haven't even heard of Winboard.

Of course the same is true for many commercial programs, especially the more widely distributed ones such as Chessmaster.

--Jon

Hi Jon,
I myself play the chess engines as I include myself in my own tournaments and in the rating list of course,so,I will meet Arasan soon
BTW,your GUI is great,I only miss a tournament mode to match the chess engines and I'll never use another GUI....so,is that possible

Forgive me for answering with out really knowing! However, IIRC Arasan has a seperate engine for Winboard. That implies to me that the Arasan GUI and GUI-engine are not winboard compatible. The GUI then probably has very little in common with Winboard and most likely does not use pipes or even a protocol to communicate with GUI-Arasan. Jon would have to completely rewrite the GUI keeping only the graphics and some minor support functions. But, if Jon could pull it off then that would be a big step forward for Arasan!

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

I think that out of all people using chess engines, most are doing analysis rather than playing with them.

Probably true in general, but unlike most, my engine has a native GUI and installer. It's been downloaded hundreds of thousands of times. I am sure 99% of users of the program download it, install it, run it, and don't ever change any of the options. They haven't even heard of Winboard.

Of course the same is true for many commercial programs, especially the more widely distributed ones such as Chessmaster.

--Jon

Hi Jon,
I myself play the chess engines as I include myself in my own tournaments and in the rating list of course,so,I will meet Arasan soon
BTW,your GUI is great,I only miss a tournament mode to match the chess engines and I'll never use another GUI....so,is that possible

Forgive me for answering with out really knowing! However, IIRC Arasan has a seperate engine for Winboard. That implies to me that the Arasan GUI and GUI-engine are not winboard compatible. The GUI then probably has very little in common with Winboard and most likely does not use pipes or even a protocol to communicate with GUI-Arasan. Jon would have to completely rewrite the GUI keeping only the graphics and some minor support functions. But, if Jon could pull it off then that would be a big step forward for Arasan!

Thanks Michael,all clear now

[jdart]

Actually the Arasan native UI-> engine communication does use the Winboard protocol, with a few "private" commands for functions Winboard doesn't support. (It didn't always work this way but the past several years that's how it works).

But it hasn't been a priority for me to add engine match support or chess server support. There are lots of interfaces that do that.

--Jon

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Actually the Arasan native UI-> engine communication does use the Winboard protocol, with a few "private" commands for functions Winboard doesn't support. (It didn't always work this way but the past several years that's how it works).

But it hasn't been a priority for me to add engine match support or chess server support. There are lots of interfaces that do that.

--Jon

Thanks Jon for taking the time to answer