Does have any end, the growing of chess machine elo?

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Does have any end, the growing of chess machine elo?

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....thx in advance.
Sorry for my ignorance..... Then, Rybka 4, could be, close to 3400.....the in a close future, a chess machine could beat 9.5 - 0.5% to the human being World Chess Champion?
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Thx for your answer......
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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My thoughts on this are that if and when a greater number of rated chess masters start playing the computers in regular tournements the computer Elo's will remain at the highs they now have. I will never give up hope on the brillance of the human mind, I mean after all it is by trying to copy the way humans think that computers have been so powerful, but computers will not at least in the immediant future surpass the human brain.
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Bill Rogers wrote:My thoughts on this are that if and when a greater number of rated chess masters start playing the computers in regular tournements the computer Elo's will remain at the highs they now have. I will never give up hope on the brillance of the human mind, I mean after all it is by trying to copy the way humans think that computers have been so powerful, but computers will not at least in the immediant future surpass the human brain.
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I am not sure about the "copy" idea. I don't use alpha/beta, null-move, reductions, extensions, etc in the same way a chess engine does. I also don't do a brute-force search at all.

Humans and computers are different in basic ways that make "copying a human" an impossible task. Compounded by the problem that we don't even know _how_ a human actually plays the game of chess internally...
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Bill Rogers wrote:My thoughts on this are that if and when a greater number of rated chess masters start playing the computers in regular tournements the computer Elo's will remain at the highs they now have. I will never give up hope on the brillance of the human mind, I mean after all it is by trying to copy the way humans think that computers have been so powerful, but computers will not at least in the immediant future surpass the human brain.

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You mean in general terms,because if you're talking about chess,you're definitely wrong....
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Yes, I meant in general terms. Chess knowledge came from humans but not all of human knowledge is not programmed into computers.