Ted try this one

[kgburcham]

[d] 7k/5K2/5P1p/3p4/6P1/3p4/8/8 w - -

[Terry McCracken]

Both 1. Ke7 and 1. g5 appear to draw after a quick analysis. Am I missing something??

[Nimzovik]

Wrong forum terry........................tisk tisk

[AdminX]

Beautiful!! It's a win Terry!

1. g5!! hxg5
2. Ke7 d2
3. f7 d1=Q
4. f8=Q Kh7
5. Qf5

[d]8/4K2k/8/3p1Qp1/8/8/8/3q4 b - - 0 5

5. ... Kh6
6. Kf7 Qh5
7. Kf6

[d]8/8/5K1k/3p1Qpq/8/8/8/8 b - - 0 7

7. ... d4
8. Qe4 d3
9. Qxd3 Qe8

[d]4q3/8/5K1k/6p1/8/3Q4/8/8 w - - 0 10

10. Qh3 Qh5
11. Qf5 g4
12. Qf4 Kh7

[d]8/7k/5K2/7q/5Qp1/8/8/8 w - - 0 13

13. Qc7 Qf7
14. Qxf7 Kh8
15. Qg7 Mate

[d]7k/6Q1/5K2/8/6p1/8/8/8 b - - 0 15

[AdminX]

1. Ke7 is a Draw, on this you are correct. However 1. g5 is a win! My good man Terry!

Analysis by Zappa Mexico II:

1.Ke7 d2 2.f7 d1Q 3.f8Q+ Kh7 4.Qf7+ Kh8 5.g5 Qe1+ 6.Kd7 hxg5 7.Qh5+ Kg7 8.Qxg5+
= (0.05) Depth: 10/39 00:00:01 50kN, tb=7
= (0.00) Depth: 20/52 00:00:47 47155kN, tb=51521

1.g5 hxg5 2.Ke7 d2 3.f7 d1Q 4.f8Q+ Kh7 5.Qf5+ Kh6 6.Kf7 Qh5+ 7.Kf6 d4 8.Qe4 d3 9.Qxd3
+- (#15) Depth: 21/52 00:00:50 51499kN, tb=59298
+- (#15) Depth: 22/52 00:01:06 93116kN, tb=112482

Even this oldie sees it!

Analysis by Yace 0.99.87:

1.Ke8 d2 2.f7 d1Q 3.f8Q+ Kh7 4.Qf7+ Kh8 5.Qf8+
=/+ (-0.59) Depth: 6/13 00:00:00 6kN
= (0.00) Depth: 10/20 00:00:00 73kN

1.Ke7 d2 2.f7 d1Q 3.f8Q+ Kh7 4.Qf7+ Kh8 5.g5 Qe1+ 6.Kd7 hxg5 7.Qh5+ Kg7 8.Qxg5+ Kh7 9.Qh5+ Kg7 10.Qg5+ Kh7 11.Qh5+ Kg7 12.Qg5+
= (0.01 !) Depth: 10/20 00:00:00 97kN
= (0.00) Depth: 21/47 00:01:48 190mN

1.g5 hxg5 2.Ke7 d2 3.f7 d1Q 4.f8Q+ Kh7 5.Qf5+ Kh6 6.Kf7 Qh5+ 7.Kf6 d4 8.Qe4 d3 9.Qxd3 Qe8 10.Qh3+ Qh5 11.Qf5 g4 12.Qf4+ Kh7 13.Qc7+ Qf7+ 14.Qxf7+ Kh8 15.Qg7#
= (0.01 !) Depth: 21/47 00:02:00 207mN
+- (#15) Depth: 21/47 00:03:05 379mN

[Terry McCracken]

1. Ke7 is a Draw, on this you are correct. However 1. g5 is a win! My good man Terry!

Analysis by Zappa Mexico II:

1.Ke7 d2 2.f7 d1Q 3.f8Q+ Kh7 4.Qf7+ Kh8 5.g5 Qe1+ 6.Kd7 hxg5 7.Qh5+ Kg7 8.Qxg5+
= (0.05) Depth: 10/39 00:00:01 50kN, tb=7
= (0.00) Depth: 20/52 00:00:47 47155kN, tb=51521

1.g5 hxg5 2.Ke7 d2 3.f7 d1Q 4.f8Q+ Kh7 5.Qf5+ Kh6 6.Kf7 Qh5+ 7.Kf6 d4 8.Qe4 d3 9.Qxd3
+- (#15) Depth: 21/52 00:00:50 51499kN, tb=59298
+- (#15) Depth: 22/52 00:01:06 93116kN, tb=112482

I'm losing my touch...not the analizer I once was...

I better put more time in on these as I should know them backwards but time takes it's toll

Awk and I think I've see this position before as well.....!

[AdminX]

Crafty sees it also, but that fish (Rybka 3) sure does take a while, even with Tablebase help.

Analysis by Crafty 23.00 (CB Version):

1.Ke6 d2 2.f7 Kg7 3.Ke7 d1Q 4.f8Q+ Kg6
-+ (-7.11) Depth: 5/9 00:00:00 0kN
-+ (-1.50) Depth: 6/13 00:00:00 3kN

1.Ke7 d2 2.f7 d1Q 3.f8Q+ Kh7 4.Qf7+ Kh8 5.Qf8+
= (0.00) Depth: 7/13 00:00:00 5kN
= (0.00) Depth: 22/43 00:00:19 80017kN, tb=60876

1.g5 hxg5 2.Ke7 d2 3.f7 d1Q 4.f8Q+ Kh7 5.Qf5+ Kh6 6.Kf7 Qh5+ 7.Kf6 d4 8.Qe4 d3 9.Qxd3
+/= (0.40) Depth: 22/43 00:00:24 15488kN, tb=60876
+- (#15) Depth: 23/43 00:01:44 486mN, tb=207826

[AdminX]

Fastest time on my system was by Gandalf 6.0 in just 24 seconds!



Analysis by Gandalf 6.0:

1.Ke7 Kh7 2.f7 d2 3.f8Q d1Q 4.Qf7+ Kh8 5.Qf8+ Kh7
= (0.00) Depth: 6/17 00:00:00 6kN, tb=13
= (0.00) Depth: 14/36 00:00:02 2626kN, tb=85374

1.g5 hxg5 2.Ke7 d2 3.f7 d1Q 4.f8Q+ Kh7 5.Qf5+ Kh6 6.Kf7 Qh5+ 7.Kf6 d4 8.Qe4 d3 9.Qxd3
= (-0.03 !) Depth: 14/39 00:00:05 4448kN, tb=134168
+- (#15) Depth: 15/44 00:00:24 13521kN, tb=341327