Single Core 32 Bit Round Robin

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mhalstern
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Single Core 32 Bit Round Robin

Post by mhalstern »

Hardware:

Single Core P4 3.0 GHZ 4.0 GIG Of Ram.

Interface Rybka Aquarium:

G/5 Private Book repeat openings up to move 10 no tablebases.

Notes:

The Robolito Compile that I am using appears to be stronger than Rybka 3, at least with a single core. This tourney and other results cause my elostat to rate it 25 points higher than Rybka. I am very impressed with Doch. I am disappointed with Zappa, but with one core and a fast time control, this is going to happen. Zappa needs more cores.


Sometime before February, I'm going to run a larger round robin on a fast 64 bit system. I'll include 64 bit multi core versions of the commercials that I used here. I'll also include the latest 64 bit Doch and the latest 64 bit Crafty. If anybody wants me to include their engine, reply to this post.

I'm not posting any games as the opening research is private.

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                           1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  
1   RobboLito 0.085d1 w32  ** ½1 11 1½ 1½ 1½ 11 11 11 11 ½1 ½1 11 11 11 11 1½ 11 11  32.5/36
2   Rybka 3 1-cpu 32-bit   ½0 ** 1½ ½1 1½ ½½ 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 10 11 11 11 11  31.0/36
3   Strelka R-3-E          00 0½ ** 1½ ½1 1½ 11 ½1 ½1 10 1½ ½1 11 11 ½1 11 11 ½1 11  27.0/36
4   Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit  0½ ½0 0½ ** 01 ½½ 01 01 ½1 11 ½½ 11 1½ ½0 1½ 11 11 1½ 11  23.0/36
5   Toga II 2.0 SE         0½ 0½ ½0 10 ** 1½ ½½ 1½ ½½ 11 01 11 1½ ½0 01 10 1½ 11 11  22.0/36
6   Doch32 09.980 JA       0½ ½½ 0½ ½½ 0½ ** 0½ 00 1½ ½0 11 11 11 01 11 11 1½ 01 11  21.5/36
7   Fruit 2.1              00 00 00 10 ½½ 1½ ** ½1 10 11 11 0½ ½½ 11 ½½ ½0 ½½ ½1 11  19.5/36  295.25
8   Stockfish 1.2          00 00 ½0 10 0½ 11 ½0 ** ½0 00 1½ 11 01 11 11 10 01 11 11  19.5/36  281.50
9   Deep Sjeng WC2008      00 00 ½0 ½0 ½½ 0½ 01 ½1 ** 0½ 0½ 0½ 11 11 11 11 1½ 11 ½1  19.5/36  267.50
10  Naum 2.0               00 00 01 00 00 ½1 00 11 1½ ** ½½ 1½ 1½ ½1 11 01 10 ½1 11  19.0/36  276.00
11  Zappa Mexico II        ½0 00 0½ ½½ 10 00 00 0½ 1½ ½½ ** 0½ 11 11 0½ 11 11 11 11  19.0/36  264.75
12  bright-0.3a            ½0 00 ½0 00 00 00 1½ 00 1½ 0½ 1½ ** 11 1½ 11 11 11 11 ½1  19.0/36  258.00
13  Bison 9.11             00 00 00 0½ 0½ 00 ½½ 10 00 0½ 00 00 ** 01 11 11 11 10 11  13.5/36
14  Pupsi2 v0.08           00 00 00 ½1 ½1 10 00 00 00 ½0 00 0½ 10 ** 1½ 10 1½ 00 ½1  11.5/36
15  Ufim 8.02              00 01 ½0 0½ 10 00 ½½ 00 00 00 1½ 00 00 0½ ** 10 ½½ 01 11  11.0/36
16  WildCat 8 UCI          00 00 00 00 01 00 ½1 01 00 10 00 00 00 01 01 ** 10 ½1 ½1  10.5/36
17  Movei00_8_438          0½ 00 00 00 0½ 0½ ½½ 10 0½ 01 00 00 00 0½ ½½ 01 ** ½1 10  10.0/36  151.00
18  Hamsters 0.7.1         00 00 ½0 0½ 00 10 ½0 00 00 ½0 00 00 01 11 10 ½0 ½0 ** 11  10.0/36  129.50
19  Ares 1.0               00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ½0 00 00 ½0 00 ½0 00 ½0 01 00 **   3.0/36
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beachknight
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Re: Single Core 32 Bit Round Robin

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mhalstern wrote:
I'm not posting any games as the opening research is private.
Fair enough.

But, it is our tradition here that we share few games from our tournaments and discuss them further.
Could you also give us such a "Kostprobe"?

Best,
hi, merhaba, hallo HT
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gerold
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Re: Single Core 32 Bit Round Robin

Post by gerold »

mhalstern wrote:Hardware:

Single Core P4 3.0 GHZ 4.0 GIG Of Ram.

Interface Rybka Aquarium:

G/5 Private Book repeat openings up to move 10 no tablebases.

Notes:

The Robolito Compile that I am using appears to be stronger than Rybka 3, at least with a single core. This tourney and other results cause my elostat to rate it 25 points higher than Rybka. I am very impressed with Doch. I am disappointed with Zappa, but with one core and a fast time control, this is going to happen. Zappa needs more cores.


Sometime before February, I'm going to run a larger round robin on a fast 64 bit system. I'll include 64 bit multi core versions of the commercials that I used here. I'll also include the latest 64 bit Doch and the latest 64 bit Crafty. If anybody wants me to include their engine, reply to this post.

I'm not posting any games as the opening research is private.

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                           1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  
1   RobboLito 0.085d1 w32  ** ½1 11 1½ 1½ 1½ 11 11 11 11 ½1 ½1 11 11 11 11 1½ 11 11  32.5/36
2   Rybka 3 1-cpu 32-bit   ½0 ** 1½ ½1 1½ ½½ 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 10 11 11 11 11  31.0/36
3   Strelka R-3-E          00 0½ ** 1½ ½1 1½ 11 ½1 ½1 10 1½ ½1 11 11 ½1 11 11 ½1 11  27.0/36
4   Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit  0½ ½0 0½ ** 01 ½½ 01 01 ½1 11 ½½ 11 1½ ½0 1½ 11 11 1½ 11  23.0/36
5   Toga II 2.0 SE         0½ 0½ ½0 10 ** 1½ ½½ 1½ ½½ 11 01 11 1½ ½0 01 10 1½ 11 11  22.0/36
6   Doch32 09.980 JA       0½ ½½ 0½ ½½ 0½ ** 0½ 00 1½ ½0 11 11 11 01 11 11 1½ 01 11  21.5/36
7   Fruit 2.1              00 00 00 10 ½½ 1½ ** ½1 10 11 11 0½ ½½ 11 ½½ ½0 ½½ ½1 11  19.5/36  295.25
8   Stockfish 1.2          00 00 ½0 10 0½ 11 ½0 ** ½0 00 1½ 11 01 11 11 10 01 11 11  19.5/36  281.50
9   Deep Sjeng WC2008      00 00 ½0 ½0 ½½ 0½ 01 ½1 ** 0½ 0½ 0½ 11 11 11 11 1½ 11 ½1  19.5/36  267.50
10  Naum 2.0               00 00 01 00 00 ½1 00 11 1½ ** ½½ 1½ 1½ ½1 11 01 10 ½1 11  19.0/36  276.00
11  Zappa Mexico II        ½0 00 0½ ½½ 10 00 00 0½ 1½ ½½ ** 0½ 11 11 0½ 11 11 11 11  19.0/36  264.75
12  bright-0.3a            ½0 00 ½0 00 00 00 1½ 00 1½ 0½ 1½ ** 11 1½ 11 11 11 11 ½1  19.0/36  258.00
13  Bison 9.11             00 00 00 0½ 0½ 00 ½½ 10 00 0½ 00 00 ** 01 11 11 11 10 11  13.5/36
14  Pupsi2 v0.08           00 00 00 ½1 ½1 10 00 00 00 ½0 00 0½ 10 ** 1½ 10 1½ 00 ½1  11.5/36
15  Ufim 8.02              00 01 ½0 0½ 10 00 ½½ 00 00 00 1½ 00 00 0½ ** 10 ½½ 01 11  11.0/36
16  WildCat 8 UCI          00 00 00 00 01 00 ½1 01 00 10 00 00 00 01 01 ** 10 ½1 ½1  10.5/36
17  Movei00_8_438          0½ 00 00 00 0½ 0½ ½½ 10 0½ 01 00 00 00 0½ ½½ 01 ** ½1 10  10.0/36  151.00
18  Hamsters 0.7.1         00 00 ½0 0½ 00 10 ½0 00 00 ½0 00 00 01 11 10 ½0 ½0 ** 11  10.0/36  129.50
19  Ares 1.0               00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ½0 00 00 ½0 00 ½0 00 ½0 01 00 **   3.0/36
How many clones are in the top 10 positions. hahahahahahaall.
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Re: Single Core 32 Bit Round Robin

Post by Sven »

What was the time control for this tournament?

Sven
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mhalstern
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Re: Single Core 32 Bit Round Robin

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G/5
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Uri Blass
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Re: Single Core 32 Bit Round Robin

Post by Uri Blass »

gerold wrote:
mhalstern wrote:Hardware:

Single Core P4 3.0 GHZ 4.0 GIG Of Ram.

Interface Rybka Aquarium:

G/5 Private Book repeat openings up to move 10 no tablebases.

Notes:

The Robolito Compile that I am using appears to be stronger than Rybka 3, at least with a single core. This tourney and other results cause my elostat to rate it 25 points higher than Rybka. I am very impressed with Doch. I am disappointed with Zappa, but with one core and a fast time control, this is going to happen. Zappa needs more cores.


Sometime before February, I'm going to run a larger round robin on a fast 64 bit system. I'll include 64 bit multi core versions of the commercials that I used here. I'll also include the latest 64 bit Doch and the latest 64 bit Crafty. If anybody wants me to include their engine, reply to this post.

I'm not posting any games as the opening research is private.

Code: Select all


                           1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  
1   RobboLito 0.085d1 w32  ** ½1 11 1½ 1½ 1½ 11 11 11 11 ½1 ½1 11 11 11 11 1½ 11 11  32.5/36
2   Rybka 3 1-cpu 32-bit   ½0 ** 1½ ½1 1½ ½½ 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 10 11 11 11 11  31.0/36
3   Strelka R-3-E          00 0½ ** 1½ ½1 1½ 11 ½1 ½1 10 1½ ½1 11 11 ½1 11 11 ½1 11  27.0/36
4   Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit  0½ ½0 0½ ** 01 ½½ 01 01 ½1 11 ½½ 11 1½ ½0 1½ 11 11 1½ 11  23.0/36
5   Toga II 2.0 SE         0½ 0½ ½0 10 ** 1½ ½½ 1½ ½½ 11 01 11 1½ ½0 01 10 1½ 11 11  22.0/36
6   Doch32 09.980 JA       0½ ½½ 0½ ½½ 0½ ** 0½ 00 1½ ½0 11 11 11 01 11 11 1½ 01 11  21.5/36
7   Fruit 2.1              00 00 00 10 ½½ 1½ ** ½1 10 11 11 0½ ½½ 11 ½½ ½0 ½½ ½1 11  19.5/36  295.25
8   Stockfish 1.2          00 00 ½0 10 0½ 11 ½0 ** ½0 00 1½ 11 01 11 11 10 01 11 11  19.5/36  281.50
9   Deep Sjeng WC2008      00 00 ½0 ½0 ½½ 0½ 01 ½1 ** 0½ 0½ 0½ 11 11 11 11 1½ 11 ½1  19.5/36  267.50
10  Naum 2.0               00 00 01 00 00 ½1 00 11 1½ ** ½½ 1½ 1½ ½1 11 01 10 ½1 11  19.0/36  276.00
11  Zappa Mexico II        ½0 00 0½ ½½ 10 00 00 0½ 1½ ½½ ** 0½ 11 11 0½ 11 11 11 11  19.0/36  264.75
12  bright-0.3a            ½0 00 ½0 00 00 00 1½ 00 1½ 0½ 1½ ** 11 1½ 11 11 11 11 ½1  19.0/36  258.00
13  Bison 9.11             00 00 00 0½ 0½ 00 ½½ 10 00 0½ 00 00 ** 01 11 11 11 10 11  13.5/36
14  Pupsi2 v0.08           00 00 00 ½1 ½1 10 00 00 00 ½0 00 0½ 10 ** 1½ 10 1½ 00 ½1  11.5/36
15  Ufim 8.02              00 01 ½0 0½ 10 00 ½½ 00 00 00 1½ 00 00 0½ ** 10 ½½ 01 11  11.0/36
16  WildCat 8 UCI          00 00 00 00 01 00 ½1 01 00 10 00 00 00 01 01 ** 10 ½1 ½1  10.5/36
17  Movei00_8_438          0½ 00 00 00 0½ 0½ ½½ 10 0½ 01 00 00 00 0½ ½½ 01 ** ½1 10  10.0/36  151.00
18  Hamsters 0.7.1         00 00 ½0 0½ 00 10 ½0 00 00 ½0 00 00 01 11 10 ½0 ½0 ** 11  10.0/36  129.50
19  Ares 1.0               00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ½0 00 00 ½0 00 ½0 00 ½0 01 00 **   3.0/36
How many clones are in the top 10 positions. hahahahahahaall.
Not many:

I think that the programs at places 6-10 are clones of nothing.

6 Doch32 09.980 JA
7 Fruit 2.1
8 Stockfish 1.2
9 Deep Sjeng WC2008
10 Naum 2.0
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Re: Single Core 32 Bit Round Robin

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StockFish is not clone by Glaurung?
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Re: Single Core 32 Bit Round Robin

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Rubinus wrote:StockFish is not clone by Glaurung?
Tord is now directing his efforts towards Stockfish as part of a team.
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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bob
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Re: Single Core 32 Bit Round Robin

Post by bob »

Uri Blass wrote:
gerold wrote:
mhalstern wrote:Hardware:

Single Core P4 3.0 GHZ 4.0 GIG Of Ram.

Interface Rybka Aquarium:

G/5 Private Book repeat openings up to move 10 no tablebases.

Notes:

The Robolito Compile that I am using appears to be stronger than Rybka 3, at least with a single core. This tourney and other results cause my elostat to rate it 25 points higher than Rybka. I am very impressed with Doch. I am disappointed with Zappa, but with one core and a fast time control, this is going to happen. Zappa needs more cores.


Sometime before February, I'm going to run a larger round robin on a fast 64 bit system. I'll include 64 bit multi core versions of the commercials that I used here. I'll also include the latest 64 bit Doch and the latest 64 bit Crafty. If anybody wants me to include their engine, reply to this post.

I'm not posting any games as the opening research is private.

Code: Select all


                           1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  
1   RobboLito 0.085d1 w32  ** ½1 11 1½ 1½ 1½ 11 11 11 11 ½1 ½1 11 11 11 11 1½ 11 11  32.5/36
2   Rybka 3 1-cpu 32-bit   ½0 ** 1½ ½1 1½ ½½ 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 10 11 11 11 11  31.0/36
3   Strelka R-3-E          00 0½ ** 1½ ½1 1½ 11 ½1 ½1 10 1½ ½1 11 11 ½1 11 11 ½1 11  27.0/36
4   Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit  0½ ½0 0½ ** 01 ½½ 01 01 ½1 11 ½½ 11 1½ ½0 1½ 11 11 1½ 11  23.0/36
5   Toga II 2.0 SE         0½ 0½ ½0 10 ** 1½ ½½ 1½ ½½ 11 01 11 1½ ½0 01 10 1½ 11 11  22.0/36
6   Doch32 09.980 JA       0½ ½½ 0½ ½½ 0½ ** 0½ 00 1½ ½0 11 11 11 01 11 11 1½ 01 11  21.5/36
7   Fruit 2.1              00 00 00 10 ½½ 1½ ** ½1 10 11 11 0½ ½½ 11 ½½ ½0 ½½ ½1 11  19.5/36  295.25
8   Stockfish 1.2          00 00 ½0 10 0½ 11 ½0 ** ½0 00 1½ 11 01 11 11 10 01 11 11  19.5/36  281.50
9   Deep Sjeng WC2008      00 00 ½0 ½0 ½½ 0½ 01 ½1 ** 0½ 0½ 0½ 11 11 11 11 1½ 11 ½1  19.5/36  267.50
10  Naum 2.0               00 00 01 00 00 ½1 00 11 1½ ** ½½ 1½ 1½ ½1 11 01 10 ½1 11  19.0/36  276.00
11  Zappa Mexico II        ½0 00 0½ ½½ 10 00 00 0½ 1½ ½½ ** 0½ 11 11 0½ 11 11 11 11  19.0/36  264.75
12  bright-0.3a            ½0 00 ½0 00 00 00 1½ 00 1½ 0½ 1½ ** 11 1½ 11 11 11 11 ½1  19.0/36  258.00
13  Bison 9.11             00 00 00 0½ 0½ 00 ½½ 10 00 0½ 00 00 ** 01 11 11 11 10 11  13.5/36
14  Pupsi2 v0.08           00 00 00 ½1 ½1 10 00 00 00 ½0 00 0½ 10 ** 1½ 10 1½ 00 ½1  11.5/36
15  Ufim 8.02              00 01 ½0 0½ 10 00 ½½ 00 00 00 1½ 00 00 0½ ** 10 ½½ 01 11  11.0/36
16  WildCat 8 UCI          00 00 00 00 01 00 ½1 01 00 10 00 00 00 01 01 ** 10 ½1 ½1  10.5/36
17  Movei00_8_438          0½ 00 00 00 0½ 0½ ½½ 10 0½ 01 00 00 00 0½ ½½ 01 ** ½1 10  10.0/36  151.00
18  Hamsters 0.7.1         00 00 ½0 0½ 00 10 ½0 00 00 ½0 00 00 01 11 10 ½0 ½0 ** 11  10.0/36  129.50
19  Ares 1.0               00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ½0 00 00 ½0 00 ½0 00 ½0 01 00 **   3.0/36
How many clones are in the top 10 positions. hahahahahahaall.
Not many:

I think that the programs at places 6-10 are clones of nothing.

6 Doch32 09.980 JA
7 Fruit 2.1
8 Stockfish 1.2
9 Deep Sjeng WC2008
10 Naum 2.0
Fruit/Toga? :)

There might be another one or two.
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Re: Single Core 32 Bit Round Robin

Post by mcostalba »

bob wrote: Fruit/Toga? :)

There might be another one or two.
I don't think spreading doubts is the long term way to go.

I dare to write this because I can understand how an author of an engine with available sources feels when some closed sources engine pops up out of the blue.

But this is the rule of the game. You chose to publish the sources, nobody forced you, so you have to be strong and quiet and accept the fact that a closed source engine will be always stronger (this is the easy part) and you have also to accept the other fact that a closed engine cannot reveal if and how much has been "inspired" by engines with available sources. This is not your case, but if Crafty were GPL then a closed source author cannot openly declare "inspiration" from Crafty even if he would like to do it because it is illegal to copy GPL code and keep sources closed, and although taking inspiration is legal he clearly would walk in a slippery land as long as his sources are kept closed.

I think that the role of GPL or engine with available sources is mainly to spread the knowledge, to attract new authors and to help existing authors to pump up their engine in a faster and more rewarding way (less failed tests frustration) then would be possible without an open reference from where to get ideas. In one line, role of an engine with available sources is to help the chess engine community as a whole to grow up and be alive. To reach this goal, and Crafty I think has reached this as first and still is the poster child of this achievement especially because of the very deep and passionate involvement of his author in the community, you have to sacrifice individualism and ego (although very legitimate and human) and avoiding spreading doubts (doesn't matter if realistic or not, if legitimate or not, if well founded or not) because these kind of doubts are like a poison that can badly affect the health of this community in the long term, where would be impossible for an original author to come out with a strong engine without foster bad thoughts. This is not a sustainable behaviour and IMHO it lands to a depletion of this community both in technical and non-technical aspects.
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