S.Taylor wrote:...if he will not succeed with the rental Rybka. But he probably will. He might even become a billionaire from it.
only if he finds himself a sheik...
Maybe almosr every person who has internet connection will try it out atleast one time, and that means half a euro (because the cheapest of the 4 price categories is half aeuro for an hour). And some might get addicted to it and spend countless hours. A years membership might be 750 euro, so it can add up with and without that.
Vas said this will be the most economic level, but there are 3 levels above that, and the highest level might be 80-100 euros per hour. (per year unlimited? On the scale of half a euro per hour or 750 a year, which is like 1500 hours a year paid up front. So if it is 100 euro x 1500 hours up front, that would be 150,000 euro. for a year unlimited?
And most people in the world who have internet connection might range from paying half a euro ever, till many thousands?
OK after one year, there might be competition, but for a long period, it will be only Rybka.
Aren't there billions of people w ith internet?
He's daydreaming,believe me....the whole concept is a failure when you think about it carefully....
Dr.D
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
mcostalba wrote:"NH: What chess engines in public domain when you got started had the biggest influence on the earliest versions of Rybka?
VR: Well, actually, I started in kind of a strange way. I printed out just about every single paper there was to print out about computer chess—all of these academic papers.
"
Sorry, but me as a programmer, reading that a programmer learned how to develop a chess engine reading papers really made me laugh, and laugh out loud.
I really cannot understand what is so funny. What are you trying to say? Programmers do not read papers? That is obviously wrong, so I do not get the laugh.
Miguel
Even the dumbest doesn't drink that silliness !
I can understand his reasons, but if I were in him I would eventually asked the interviewer to put that question in the "forbidden questions list"....a list that, reading the whole interview, it seems to me it was far from empty anyway
Anyhow happy new year to everybody and to Rybka's author too !
mcostalba wrote:"NH: What chess engines in public domain when you got started had the biggest influence on the earliest versions of Rybka?
VR: Well, actually, I started in kind of a strange way. I printed out just about every single paper there was to print out about computer chess—all of these academic papers.
"
Sorry, but me as a programmer, reading that a programmer learned how to develop a chess engine reading papers really made me laugh, and laugh out loud.
I really cannot understand what is so funny. What are you trying to say? Programmers do not read papers? That is obviously wrong, so I do not get the laugh.
Miguel
Even the dumbest doesn't drink that silliness !
I can understand his reasons, but if I were in him I would eventually asked the interviewer to put that question in the "forbidden questions list"....a list that, reading the whole interview, it seems to me it was far from empty anyway
Anyhow happy new year to everybody and to Rybka's author too !
I guess that each and every chess programmer who actually wrote a chess program learned to write chess programs by reading papers (except for the first, who probably had no papers to read on it).
mcostalba wrote:"NH: What chess engines in public domain when you got started had the biggest influence on the earliest versions of Rybka?
VR: Well, actually, I started in kind of a strange way. I printed out just about every single paper there was to print out about computer chess—all of these academic papers.
"
Sorry, but me as a programmer, reading that a programmer learned how to develop a chess engine reading papers really made me laugh, and laugh out loud.
Even the dumbest doesn't drink that silliness !
I can understand his reasons, but if I were in him I would eventually asked the interviewer to put that question in the "forbidden questions list"....a list that, reading the whole interview, it seems to me it was far from empty anyway
Anyhow happy new year to everybody and to Rybka's author too !
Well, I learned that way back in 1983. It amazes me how many can only learn by reading others code.
I learn reading as much as I could get by ~1999, but almost everything that was needed to learn (for a beginner) was in a chapter of the Encyclopedia of Artificial Intelligence, by Tony Marsland. That is the advantage to have access to a University library.
S.Taylor wrote:...if he will not succeed with the rental Rybka. But he probably will. He might even become a billionaire from it.
only if he finds himself a sheik...
Maybe almosr every person who has internet connection will try it out atleast one time, and that means half a euro (because the cheapest of the 4 price categories is half aeuro for an hour). And some might get addicted to it and spend countless hours. A years membership might be 750 euro, so it can add up with and without that.
Vas said this will be the most economic level, but there are 3 levels above that, and the highest level might be 80-100 euros per hour. (per year unlimited? On the scale of half a euro per hour or 750 a year, which is like 1500 hours a year paid up front. So if it is 100 euro x 1500 hours up front, that would be 150,000 euro. for a year unlimited?
And most people in the world who have internet connection might range from paying half a euro ever, till many thousands?
OK after one year, there might be competition, but for a long period, it will be only Rybka.
Aren't there billions of people w ith internet?
It's sad to see how computerchess people are ignorants in chess. Yes, there are players who pay hundreds or thousands for real trainers, they paid thousands for the best board computers at the time, and they will pay for a state of the art analysis machine online.
Do the better players want to know the better solution in chess or not? Yes, because they need it. Do millions need it - no. Does it mean that millions dont use it - NO! Because human nature means, that you spend a lot of money into a hobby even if you are not among the best.
So, this will be an automatism for Vas. Good luck. He has invented a money printing apparatus.
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
mcostalba wrote:"NH: What chess engines in public domain when you got started had the biggest influence on the earliest versions of Rybka?
VR: Well, actually, I started in kind of a strange way. I printed out just about every single paper there was to print out about computer chess—all of these academic papers.
"
Sorry, but me as a programmer, reading that a programmer learned how to develop a chess engine reading papers really made me laugh, and laugh out loud.
I really cannot understand what is so funny. What are you trying to say? Programmers do not read papers? That is obviously wrong, so I do not get the laugh.
Miguel
You don't need to understand, Miguel.
Look in other threads for laughter that you do understand.
mcostalba wrote:"NH: What chess engines in public domain when you got started had the biggest influence on the earliest versions of Rybka?
VR: Well, actually, I started in kind of a strange way. I printed out just about every single paper there was to print out about computer chess—all of these academic papers.
"
Sorry, but me as a programmer, reading that a programmer learned how to develop a chess engine reading papers really made me laugh, and laugh out loud.
I really cannot understand what is so funny. What are you trying to say? Programmers do not read papers? That is obviously wrong, so I do not get the laugh.
Miguel
You don't need to understand, Miguel.
Look in other threads for laughter that you do understand.
mcostalba wrote:"NH: What chess engines in public domain when you got started had the biggest influence on the earliest versions of Rybka?
VR: Well, actually, I started in kind of a strange way. I printed out just about every single paper there was to print out about computer chess—all of these academic papers.
"
Sorry, but me as a programmer, reading that a programmer learned how to develop a chess engine reading papers really made me laugh, and laugh out loud.
Even the dumbest doesn't drink that silliness !
I can understand his reasons, but if I were in him I would eventually asked the interviewer to put that question in the "forbidden questions list"....a list that, reading the whole interview, it seems to me it was far from empty anyway
Anyhow happy new year to everybody and to Rybka's author too !
Well, I learned that way back in 1983. It amazes me how many can only learn by reading others code.
I learn reading as much as I could get by ~1999, but almost everything that was needed to learn (for a beginner) was in a chapter of the Encyclopedia of Artificial Intelligence, by Tony Marsland. That is the advantage to have access to a University library.
mcostalba wrote:"NH: What chess engines in public domain when you got started had the biggest influence on the earliest versions of Rybka?
VR: Well, actually, I started in kind of a strange way. I printed out just about every single paper there was to print out about computer chess—all of these academic papers.
"
Sorry, but me as a programmer, reading that a programmer learned how to develop a chess engine reading papers really made me laugh, and laugh out loud.
Even the dumbest doesn't drink that silliness !
I can understand his reasons, but if I were in him I would eventually asked the interviewer to put that question in the "forbidden questions list"....a list that, reading the whole interview, it seems to me it was far from empty anyway
Anyhow happy new year to everybody and to Rybka's author too !
I don't like and I don't trust this guy....I will not even bother to watch the interview and get poisoned by his lies....
Dr.D
I am starting to agree....
Look at the facts and timeline, then soon you will conclude, without Fruit , Rybka would not exist as it does today. Yet Vas does not even give it mention. I would imagine Fabien is still wallowing in the waters of regret. He sealed his own fate, I feel sorry for him.
I think you failed to listen properly to the question. The question was how he got started and when he got started Fruit was not available as source. I see nothing wrong with going through all papers before you get started on a project as that give you a solid foundation. If he would have started from a source code engine like Crafty (he mentions that) I doubt he would have been able to see what is missing or how things could be improved. I wouldn't laugh at this as he seems to be on the right track. Maybe he saw something that everyone had missed and thus that is why he was able to get this monumental jump in chess engine strength. Something no other chess programmer was able to do. Maybe other chess programmers would have done better to also read up on the basics and set a solid foundation before seeing source code and figuring why the ideas in those sources work, or why there would be a better way to make an idea work better.
