Nice post in Rybka forum

[Graham Banks]

Fresh off the press - new Iggorit anthem (adapted from Slavik's signature):

Fullforce for Deception,
Fullforce in Igorrit!
Fullforce with all the suckers,
Fullforce we all embarrass ourselves.
I-G-N-O-R-A-N-T!

That's funny. Slavik has now removed the Iggorit anthem from his signature. Good move, just a bit late!

[Harvey Williamson]

Try telling that to some people here though and all they do is scream "show us your proof!".

And because Harvey has a good source that says it is Rybka, we all must believe it?

Well, it plays not Rybka's moves, but Robbos.

You shouldn't believe all rumors...

http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 55&t=31553

At least my Source has a real name unlike certain engine authors.

[Alexander Schmidt]

Does it matter which it is - seems like a con to get our money.

If it is Rybka, VR could initiate legal action.

If it is Robbo, he must proof his accuse before which is not easy.

But you are right, it's a con. I hope not too much people payed for it.

[Alexander Schmidt]

At least my Source has a real name unlike certain engine authors.

I have a real name as well

But I fear many of the real names here or somewhere else in the net are not real names.

[Graham Banks]

At least my Source has a real name unlike certain engine authors.

I have a real name as well

But I fear many of the real names here or somewhere else in the net are not real names.

No doubt about that Alexander.

[Harvey Williamson]

At least my Source has a real name unlike certain engine authors.

I have a real name as well

But I fear many of the real names here or somewhere else in the net are not real names.

That is true for sure - but when you get to the stage of selling something it is totally unacceptable.

[Alexander Schmidt]

That is true for sure - but when you get to the stage of selling something it is totally unacceptable.

The seller has a name. If it is not his real name he still could be found via his provider. If he chaged mails it would also probably be possible to find out who gave him the engine.

Maybe he is just a victim as well but it's his fault and he would be liable. Maybe he bought the rights to sell this strong new engine for a huge amount of money...

[M ANSARI]

At least my Source has a real name unlike certain engine authors.

I have a real name as well

But I fear many of the real names here or somewhere else in the net are not real names.

That is true for sure - but when you get to the stage of selling something it is totally unacceptable.

I think that is where Vas will draw the line. It was highly interesting though and I think it would have flushed out the mystery

Maybe if this is taken to court then Mr. Toby would have to give information on who the programmer was. Receiving money for something that can be shown to be illegal is quite serious, and I am quite sure the person selling had no clue of what was going on.

[Steve B]

At least my Source has a real name unlike certain engine authors.

I have a real name as well

But I fear many of the real names here or somewhere else in the net are not real names.

That is true for sure - but when you get to the stage of selling something it is totally unacceptable.

I think that is where Vas will draw the line. It was highly interesting though and I think it would have flushed out the mystery

Maybe if this is taken to court then Mr. Toby would have to give information on who the programmer was. Receiving money for something that can be shown to be illegal is quite serious, and I am quite sure the person selling had no clue of what was going on.

well a good way for him to start would be to at least try to get the Ebay listing taken down..no lawyers need ..all he has to do is report the listing
Its a fairly easy matter for Vas to complain to Ebay about the listing which i notice is still up
several times in the past there were listings for very rare and expensive dedicated chess computers that collectors could identify were not legitimate listings and nothing more then hoaxes
photos of the computers were culled from well known web sites or auction descriptions were copied word for word from prior listings
we reported the listing which generated a query from Ebay to the seller and the listing was removed

actually any registered Ebay member can report a bogus listing

look at the listing and you will see a "Report Item " link at the right of the listing just before the auction description

here is a link to report the item

http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... =1&state=1

Regards
Steve

[Eelco de Groot]

At least my Source has a real name unlike certain engine authors.

I have a real name as well

But I fear many of the real names here or somewhere else in the net are not real names.

That is true for sure - but when you get to the stage of selling something it is totally unacceptable.

I think that is where Vas will draw the line. It was highly interesting though and I think it would have flushed out the mystery

Maybe if this is taken to court then Mr. Toby would have to give information on who the programmer was. Receiving money for something that can be shown to be illegal is quite serious, and I am quite sure the person selling had no clue of what was going on.

Well, just to put in something to the contrary, for sake of argument maybe. It is strange but to me this feels actually more authentic than the Robbolito/Ippolit case. What if Mr. Tobiason really did hire some programmers in India to rewrite the Ippolit code? They could not be accused of decompiling because that was done by another team. I heard that in industry sometimes the decompiling team would be completely separate from the development team, making sure the latter only got to see output and not code. But in this case the code was already produced, probably illegally. If this team of programmers is really separate from the Robbolito team and if they rewrite/reinterpret the code I don't think Vas could do much about it. It is on the other hand not very likely that there are no similarities left that can be seen as plain plagiarism, but by the time you have proved that in court you are, what, maybe six months further down the road? Maybe a year. I already hear what Vas is going to say: "Six months or a year is a lifetime for a chessprogram. It is better spent making something new". Which leaves us exactly at the same point where we are now. I think Vas will just go ahead with his new business model and ignore the loss of market share to some Ebay buyers.

Does not mean his case could not be helped by giving more evidence, but maybe Vas thinks it is not easy to convince us anyway. For 50% of the audience here he may be right that it is not easy, but that is actually no reason. It is just a time issue again I fear.

Regards, Eelco