Test II: Vitruvius vs. Komodo- Never Had A Chance

[geots]

Vitruvius_1.0C_x32 vs. Komodo32 Version 4-c2


It is a bit complicated to explain what we are doing right now by playing an engine and then repeating the match with some changes. Although I am making the setting decisions, it is Roberto's place to explain things- not mine.

So far:

Match 1- vs. Rybka 4.1 w32, Vitruvius scores +14

Match 2- vs. Rybka 4.1 w32 (after changes), Vitruvius scores +42!


Match 1- vs. Komodo 4 32bit, Vitruvius scores +7

Match 2- vs. Komodo 4 32bit (after changes-below), Vitruvius scores +85!



1CPU/32bit
128MB hash
Bases=NONE
Ponder_Learning=OFF
Perfect 12.32 book w/12-move limit
40/3 Repeating
Match=50 games


Vitruvius_1.0c_x32..........+85......+20/-8/=22......62.00%......31.0/50

Komodo32 Version 4-c2....-85......+8/-20/=22......38.00%......19.0/50




Not sure who said this here yesterday, and do not care to waste the time looking. But it was said that Vitruvius was just a weak Ivanhoe. In his dreams.

I looked back at every Ivanhoe version (10 or 12) that I had run ag. Komodo 4 32bit. They all beat Komodo, as did Deep Saros and the new RobboLito 0.10. BUT- not one of them scored even 50% as high as Vitruvius did in this match. And the only engine to score higher against Komodo than Vitruvius did here, was Critter 1.4. And it was only 7 points higher than Vitruvius! Which amounts to only 1 game.

Some people will just have to face it- Vitruvius is here to stay and it is extremely, extremely strong.

Hell, if I did not already have the complete package to beta test, "Normal" and "HEM" files- I would buy it in a second.



Bye for now,

g
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[Uri Blass]

As long as Vitruvius is not stronger than houdini1.5 I do not care about its playing strength.

I believe that both Virtuvius and Houdini are based on Ivanhoe or Ippolit or Firebird and I do not care about the other names and basically I am interested only in one derivative that is the strongest.

[WuShock]

Can you say what your settings are ??
Is this the only major change :
Bases=NONE
Ponder_Learning=OFF
I don't see anything about " Learning "
And , while I'm at it , what are the : "HEM" files ??

Since I did pay for it , I wouldn't mind knowing the secrets......

Thanks....... Tom

[geots]

As long as Vitruvius is not stronger than houdini1.5 I do not care about its playing strength.

I believe that both Virtuvius and Houdini are based on Ivanhoe or Ippolit or Firebird and I do not care about the other names and basically I am interested only in one derivative that is the strongest.

You don't care about "this" and you don't "believe" that. Thanks Uri, for the moral support. Doesn't sound like you. You have heard talk- and by now you know that is cheap. You haven't seen any source code, you have no idea what Vitruvius took from who- yet you are willing to trash it on an open forum. Yes, I call it "trashing it" when you make statements you believe, but don't have the evidence to back up.

I had rather be chained to a stovepipe in hell than be a programmer trying to reach the top. It's not worth the innuendos and cheap shots you have to live with. Because if you have a chance to be number 1 and your program is clean- it won't be when the guys who want to be there and are not smart enough to,get thru with you.

In closing, I don't get paid for helping Roberto, so please address your concerns to him if you have any further ones.

You see,I have always respected you greatly, along with Ablett, Ed and Kaufmann. You have managed to take a lot of the fun out of this for me. I hope you are happy.


gts

[geots]

Can you say what your settings are ??
Is this the only major change :
Bases=NONE
Ponder_Learning=OFF
I don't see anything about " Learning "
And , while I'm at it , what are the : "HEM" files ??

Since I did pay for it , I wouldn't mind knowing the secrets......

Thanks....... Tom

Look, I will help anyone I can. But you have to realize you have it all wrong. I don't get a penny for helping Roberto. It is his program, not mine. But having said that, I don't understand most of what you are asking. In fact I have no idea. I can tell you that HEM stands for "high end machines" , being the new generation that support popcount and the SSEs. All I know about them is I think they give a speed increase. How much, I do not know. Buyers were allowed to choose between the "Normal executables" and the "HEM executables". But they could not get both. I am not trying to be cute or anything, but I don't understand how you made the decision as to which to buy without knowing what they were. Because if you bought the HEMs, and they were not compatible with your computer, they would crash and not run.


I have no idea where you are going with bases and learning. Learning has been shut off in the gui for ALL engines by me. It has nothing to do with any one engine in particular.

I hope I have been of some help. And yes, I am the one who came up with new settings. They are no secret. But the whole point of Roberto calling for me- he has a monster of an engine that was handicapped by some settings. I am merely straightening things out. First, the worst thing I could do is give you new settings before I am 99.9% sure I have his problem fixed. Secondly, I don't have the authority to do thst anyway. Because I don't own the engine. I have carte blanche to do anything I want with his settings, run ag.any engine of my choice with any time limit I choose- but my freedom stops there. When it is settled very,very soon- all buyers will know.


It is a bit confusing because when I veer off on my own settings- I call it "default". Technically it is not, rather it just shows it is different from his suggested changes. I make them, and default is just a way for you to see they are different. It is possible some may remain default if I decide so.

Be patient. We will get this optimum for everone who bought it. People who bought it should thank their lucky stars they have an author/seller who cares more about his customers than he does money. I am constantly having to fight with him over his being impatient. He is so damn anxious you guys are all satisfied, and I tell him it is no good unless we are sure. He says he knows, but he wants so badly for you all to be happy.

I will tell you to go ahead and just use the actual default settings right now- just load and run. Those are strong enough to beat almost anything out there.



Best,

george

[tomgdrums]

Can you say what your settings are ??
Is this the only major change :
Bases=NONE
Ponder_Learning=OFF
I don't see anything about " Learning "
And , while I'm at it , what are the : "HEM" files ??

Since I did pay for it , I wouldn't mind knowing the secrets......

Thanks....... Tom

Look, I will help anyone I can. But you have to realize you have it all wrong. I don't get a penny for helping Roberto. It is his program, not mine. But having said that, I don't understand most of what you are asking. In fact I have no idea. I can tell you that HEM stands for "high end machines" , being the new generation that support popcount and the SSEs. All I know about them is I think they give a speed increase. How much, I do not know. Buyers were allowed to choose between the "Normal executables" and the "HEM executables". But they could not get both. I am not trying to be cute or anything, but I don't understand how you made the decision as to which to buy without knowing what they were. Because if you bought the HEMs, and they were not compatible with your computer, they would crash and not run.


I have no idea where you are going with bases and learning. Learning has been shut off in the gui for ALL engines by me. It has nothing to do with any one engine in particular.

I hope I have been of some help. And yes, I am the one who came up with new settings. They are no secret. But the whole point of Roberto calling for me- he has a monster of an engine that was handicapped by some settings. I am merely straightening things out. First, the worst thing I could do is give you new settings before I am 99.9% sure I have his problem fixed. Secondly, I don't have the authority to do thst anyway. Because I don't own the engine. I have carte blanche to do anything I want with his settings, run ag.any engine of my choice with any time limit I choose- but my freedom stops there. When it is settled very,very soon- all buyers will know.


It is a bit confusing because when I veer off on my own settings- I call it "default". Technically it is not, rather it just shows it is different from his suggested changes. I make them, and default is just a way for you to see they are different. It is possible some may remain default if I decide so.

Be patient. We will get this optimum for everone who bought it. People who bought it should thank their lucky stars they have an author/seller who cares more about his customers than he does money. I am constantly having to fight with him over his being impatient. He is so damn anxious you guys are all satisfied, and I tell him it is no good unless we are sure. He says he knows, but he wants so badly for you all to be happy.

I will tell you to go ahead and just use the actual default settings right now- just load and run. Those are strong enough to beat almost anything out there.



Best,

george

Hey George!



Vitruvius is an excellent analysis partner! (which is my whole reason for purchasing it) Especially the Human version. I really am finding it to be a great partner with Houdini, and Komodo!

[WuShock]

Thanks for the info , I'll wait patiently.......
I'm just an interested purchaser.

Tom

[WuShock]

I don't understand how you made the decision as to which to buy without knowing what they were. Because if you bought the HEMs, and they were not compatible with your computer, they would crash and not run.

That's why i didn't buy the HEM edition , because I never found an explanation of exactly what files would be included in HEM. I have an old i7 / 940 , and it does do the SEE 4.2 , but doesn't do some of the newer ones.......

I have no idea where you are going with bases and learning

Just something I copied and pasted out of your first post :

(after changes-below)

1CPU/32bit
128MB hash
Bases=NONE
Ponder_Learning=OFF -------** Thought maybe these were changes **
Perfect 12.32 book w/12-move limit
40/3 Repeating
Match=50 games

Sorry to bother you

[kranium]

I don't understand how you made the decision as to which to buy without knowing what they were. Because if you bought the HEMs, and they were not compatible with your computer, they would crash and not run.

That's why i didn't buy the HEM edition , because I never found an explanation of exactly what files would be included in HEM. I have an old i7 / 940 , and it does do the SEE 4.2 , but doesn't do some of the newer ones.......

I have no idea where you are going with bases and learning

Just something I copied and pasted out of your first post :

(after changes-below)

1CPU/32bit
128MB hash
Bases=NONE
Ponder_Learning=OFF -------** Thought maybe these were changes **
Perfect 12.32 book w/12-move limit
40/3 Repeating
Match=50 games

Sorry to bother you

Andres (Chess2u tester) wrote:

4min+2sec
Code:
1 Critter 1.4 64-bit +53 +23/=46/-11 57.50% 46.0/80
2 Vitruvius_1.0C_x64 -53 +11/=46/-23 42.50% 34.0/80

4min+2sec
Code:
1 RobboLito 0.10 SMP 64bit +47 +15/=21/-9 56.67% 25.5/45
2 Vitruvius 1.0 x64 -47 +9/=21/-15 43.33% 19.5/45

4min+2sec
Code:
1 Critter 1.4 64-bit +60 +11/=19/-5 58.57% 20.5/35
2 Vitruvius 1.0 x64 -60 +5/=19/-11 41.43% 14.5/35

http://www.chess2u.com/t5420p45-vitruvius


Immortal223:
1. RobboLito 0.10 SMP x64 129.0/200 85-27-88 (L: m=27 t=0 i=0 a=0) (D: r=64 i=12 f=4 s=0 a=8) (tpm=152.9 d=15.0 nps=2851074)
2. Vitruvius 1.0 Cons. x64 71.0/200 27-85-88 (L: m=85 t=0 i=0 a=0) (D: r=64 i=12 f=4 s=0 a=8) (tpm=130.9 d=14.1 nps=2681924)
Thank you very much for the new and weakest engine from IvanHoe family. Especially for its price!

http://immortalchess.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14200

no thanks!
...even if George has? created magically secret Vitruvius super parameters!
(as implied above)

[kranium]

And yes, I am the one who came up with new settings. They are no secret. But the whole point of Roberto calling for me- he has a monster of an engine that was handicapped by some settings. I am merely straightening things out.

Thanks George!

Your fantastic settings make this a a real monster!
thanks for straightening things out w/ this engine...

Look out Houdini!
Here comes VitruviusGS (Special Edition) !

will that cost more?
(i'd like to run it playchess!)

major problem: as a CCRL tester (former...not sure here?...apparently this is a 'private' CCRL internal matter, public has no right to be informed!)
(but i do see you are no longer using the CCRL logo as your Avatar, can you explain?)

anyway, are you actually promoting that users pay for a 'tweaked' and renamed IvanHoe?