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Hi Don,Don wrote:Komodo, which just won stage 2 has been significantly upgraded. ... the version that is playing now in stage 3 is a significant upgrade to Komodo 6.
Agreed. Very nice to see so many authors proving the latest dev versions for this tournament. That and the tournament computer being so strong, and the website interface being so intuitive and informative and useful even including a public chat, this tournament is the true 2013 WCC in my eyes. Stage 3 should be very interesting indeed.TimoK wrote:Hi Martin,
I think you often heard that before, but let me repeat it again: Thank you very much for this great computer chess event! In my opinion it's the most interesting tournament in 2013! Everything is in top condition: Many participants, excellent hardware, long time controls, different stages, many games to play and last but not least a superb presentation on the website!
And many thanks to the engine authors as well for providing the latest dev versions! It's great to see them play here so the character of the event is even more like a WCCC because we see the strongest chess entities play against each other!
I took a long break from computer chess since my son was born late 2012, but the TCEC awoke my enthusiasm for CC again!
Best regards
Timo
We don't have any specific plans yet. But we get gains frequently so there is almost always a stronger version of Komodo than the last release. The funny thing is that when we say so publicly I often get angry emails. One person who emails me frequently criticized me for making progress too soon after a release. I didn't know what to say so I almost said sarcastically that I'm really sorry we improved Komodo so quickly, maybe some jail time is in order or some kind of penalty we should have to pay.Aser Huerga wrote:Thanks again Martin for this amazing tournament!
Hi Don,Don wrote:Komodo, which just won stage 2 has been significantly upgraded. ... the version that is playing now in stage 3 is a significant upgrade to Komodo 6.
do you plan to offer a free (or low cost) upgrade to Komodo 6 customers? It's a bit discouraging to have paid for Komodo 6 a few days ago (or intend to buy it shortly) knowing there's a significantly stronger version out there ...
Cheers!
Don't worry about it Don. Some people just don't understand that there are always development versions of an engine and that they don't know how to separate them from the public release.Don wrote: We don't have any specific plans yet. But we get gains frequently so there is almost always a stronger version of Komodo than the last release. The funny thing is that when we say so publicly I often get angry emails. One person who emails me frequently criticized me for making progress too soon after a release. I didn't know what to say so I almost said sarcastically that I'm really sorry we improved Komodo so quickly, maybe some jail time is in order or some kind of penalty we should have to pay.
But I still feel badly for them. We are conditioned by capitalism to constantly think we are "missing" out if we don't buy, buy, buy. And we always want the very latest and greatest gadget or toy. I am like that too.Martin Thoresen wrote:Don't worry about it Don. Some people just don't understand that there are always development versions of an engine and that they don't know how to separate them from the public release.Don wrote: We don't have any specific plans yet. But we get gains frequently so there is almost always a stronger version of Komodo than the last release. The funny thing is that when we say so publicly I often get angry emails. One person who emails me frequently criticized me for making progress too soon after a release. I didn't know what to say so I almost said sarcastically that I'm really sorry we improved Komodo so quickly, maybe some jail time is in order or some kind of penalty we should have to pay.
It would be good in my opinion.Don wrote:
The subscription idea solves a lot of that though.
I don't think it has anything to do with capitalism, which gets an undeserved bad rap fromDon wrote: But I still feel badly for them. We are conditioned by capitalism to constantly think we are "missing" out if we don't buy, buy, buy. And we always want the very latest and greatest gadget or toy. I am like that too.
The subscription idea solves a lot of that though.
Don wrote:But I still feel badly for them. We are conditioned by capitalism to constantly think we are "missing" out if we don't buy, buy, buy. And we always want the very latest and greatest gadget or toy. I am like that too.Martin Thoresen wrote:Don't worry about it Don. Some people just don't understand that there are always development versions of an engine and that they don't know how to separate them from the public release.Don wrote: We don't have any specific plans yet. But we get gains frequently so there is almost always a stronger version of Komodo than the last release. The funny thing is that when we say so publicly I often get angry emails. One person who emails me frequently criticized me for making progress too soon after a release. I didn't know what to say so I almost said sarcastically that I'm really sorry we improved Komodo so quickly, maybe some jail time is in order or some kind of penalty we should have to pay.
The subscription idea solves a lot of that though.
How is anyone being punished if we were to release a new version even every week? Are you forced to buy? You just skip buying that version and wait until we release an upgrade you feel is worthy of your dollar.IGarcia wrote:Don wrote:But I still feel badly for them. We are conditioned by capitalism to constantly think we are "missing" out if we don't buy, buy, buy. And we always want the very latest and greatest gadget or toy. I am like that too.Martin Thoresen wrote:Don't worry about it Don. Some people just don't understand that there are always development versions of an engine and that they don't know how to separate them from the public release.Don wrote: We don't have any specific plans yet. But we get gains frequently so there is almost always a stronger version of Komodo than the last release. The funny thing is that when we say so publicly I often get angry emails. One person who emails me frequently criticized me for making progress too soon after a release. I didn't know what to say so I almost said sarcastically that I'm really sorry we improved Komodo so quickly, maybe some jail time is in order or some kind of penalty we should have to pay.
The subscription idea solves a lot of that though.
Tcec Komodo is a development, stronger than K6. Its ok, nobody has to complain.
But if you release it now as K7, looking for another 40 $ there are some problems. The ones that does not bought the new, shinny K6 will now have K7 for 40$. Others, maybe old client from long time, recentrly paying 40 for K6 has now to pay again another 40$ for K7( for a 80$ total in one month aprox). And looks some unfair.
They get punished because they bought "too fast" K6.
Some people never buy a engine, other buy everything offered and most people buy time to time. If you release 4 versions in a year, many will not follow your pace (spend 4 x 40 = 120). And if you release so often some will not buy just because soon, (couple of months) will be another stronger version and will spend their money better if they wait.
Just my 2 pesos.
And then some people still deny the fact that the computer chess community doesn't include twisted freaksDon wrote:We don't have any specific plans yet. But we get gains frequently so there is almost always a stronger version of Komodo than the last release. The funny thing is that when we say so publicly I often get angry emails. One person who emails me frequently criticized me for making progress too soon after a release. I didn't know what to say so I almost said sarcastically that I'm really sorry we improved Komodo so quickly, maybe some jail time is in order or some kind of penalty we should have to pay.Aser Huerga wrote:Thanks again Martin for this amazing tournament!
Hi Don,Don wrote:Komodo, which just won stage 2 has been significantly upgraded. ... the version that is playing now in stage 3 is a significant upgrade to Komodo 6.
do you plan to offer a free (or low cost) upgrade to Komodo 6 customers? It's a bit discouraging to have paid for Komodo 6 a few days ago (or intend to buy it shortly) knowing there's a significantly stronger version out there ...
Cheers!
