Why don't strong engines enter WCCC?

[Sedat Canbaz]

Indeed, very unfortunate. I rejoiced for nothing.

I don't see your point, if indeed you have one. It d.

Actually I am meaning simply:
* If Rybka will be counted as a clone or derivative, then:
- Stockfish, Houdini, Gull, Komodo and plus many many engines should be counted in this group too !!

Otherwise,
It will be injustice...

[hgm]

But that is just because, as a non-programmer, you are not aware that there is a huge difference between taking ideas and taking code or algorithms. It is the same difference as between deciding that a car you are going to manufacture needs an engine, and you are going to use one of the internal-combustion type running on LPG (idea), and stealing the blue-print of such an engine from a competitor's car (code). Only in the latter case we call it a derivative.

[Sedat Canbaz]

But that is just because, as a non-programmer, you are not aware that there is a huge difference between taking ideas and taking code or algorithms. It is the same difference as between deciding that a car you are going to manufacture needs an engine, and you are going to use one of the internal-combustion type running on LPG (idea), and stealing the blue-print of such an engine from a competitor's car (code). Only in the latter case we call it a derivative.

But you are missing one important point,
There is no any proof about Rybka to be a derivative engine !

Correct me if I am wrong...
And as you are programmer: prove it if Rybka is so...!!

[hgm]

Well, knowledgeable programmers that have investigated the matter say there is. You, who would not even know how to investigate it, say there isn't. As I am not really interested in the matter, that is enough for me.

[Sedat Canbaz]

One thing more,
Of course the originality plays a big role... !
But however 'strength' is more important than 'originality' in chess!

That's why:
- 99% of the users preferred Rybka, Houdini, Stockfish, Komodo, Gull etc...for their tests in the latest 5 years!!

- And 1% of the users (who are against...) are some programmers, WCCC etc...

So what is more important ??

[Modern Times]

But that is just because, as a non-programmer, you are not aware that there is a huge difference between taking ideas and taking code or algorithms.

Please give us some credit..... Of course we know the difference.

[Modern Times]

Well, knowledgeable programmers that have investigated the matter say there is. You, who would not even know how to investigate it, say there isn't. As I am not really interested in the matter, that is enough for me.

Uri is a knowledgeable programmer, and he says he can see no evidence of significant Fruit code in Rybka.

[Sedat Canbaz]

Well, knowledgeable programmers that have investigated the matter say there is. You, who would not even know how to investigate it, say there isn't. As I am not really interested in the matter, that is enough for me.

If you can't prove it...why you wasted my time ?? )))

But however, a good decision by you!

Bye bye...)

[Sedat Canbaz]

Well, knowledgeable programmers that have investigated the matter say there is. You, who would not even know how to investigate it, say there isn't. As I am not really interested in the matter, that is enough for me.

Uri is a knowledgeable programmer, and he says he can see no evidence of significant Fruit code in Rybka.

+1000

[Sedat Canbaz]

But that is just because, as a non-programmer, you are not aware that there is a huge difference between taking ideas and taking code or algorithms.

Please give us some credit..... Of course we know the difference.

Dear Ray,

It's ok...we should not argue any more with him!

Because people who are over 60 are under risk !