Fat Fritz 2

[Sopel]

So ... fair use of a video is copyright violation ....

That's really your view of fair use?

Good old El Risitas is funny to see and hear even after the many other mis- und abuses of his interview still, but the text of the subtitels aren't really soo funny, are they?
And to put it on a specially dedicated domain with title Interview with Alber Silver and to share links with these title in open fora isn't of any conflict for armchair lawyers specialized on media law?

The whole mission comes rather near to what I'd call hate on the net.

And if the now all of a sudden rediscovered idea of bigger nets in SF framework, if these trials would have been more successful with SF dev. already and the new one net from Albert Silver wouldn't have been somewhat competitive yet too, the moral outrage of some parts of the "SF community" would have been a little bit less hysterical maybe also.
When FF1 came out, it was the same kind of selling before, but nr.1 in rating lists of SF wasn't as endangered as much as it is now from numerous other GPL- projects. Maybe it's simply getting harder and harder for the first one of these GPL projects, the SF- framework, to cope on its own with the licence model of a copyleft.
Yet it was and is the reason of the success of SF still too, isn't it?

So what regards

This dedicated domain is just used as a place where everything related to Fat Fritz is put. It just so happens that both Leela and Stockfish, as well as some statements and memes are related to it.

I also would like to point out the the link was only posted by dkappe, which I believe is in his interest for it not be viewed.

[dkappe]

Re titling a broadcast for which you don't own the rights, so long as the title constitutes a commentary, is enough to qualify for fair use. I don't think you know anything you are talking about. You seem to be an expert on everything, yet provide nothing. The fact that you would so simply and so naively claim something you disagree with to be a violation of copyright, and willingly sit back while others have their rights violated and take no objection to it, is disgusting. Do you stand for anything? Do you have any principles? Do you have a guiding moral code? You remind me a lot of Trump. All talk, nothing behind it.

I'm trying to find the post I referenced with commentary in the title. It was some twitter/youtube type personality who reuploaded the video of a social media instagram socialite type person, but with the title change. He was sued, fought off the suit and got his legal fees reimbursed as well as an undisclosed settlement. I'm having a hard time finding the keywords to find a news story, since it was a left vs right type event, and the MSM did not post it only small outlets reported it.

It’s ok. No need to get overexcited.

Let’s see:

1) go and look at all the Rick Rolling videos taken down over the years, including the famous original 1987 one. Many of those provided plenty of the same kind of commentary as Tomasz’s video.
2) what rights precisely have been violated with regard to FF2? Vondelle in his blog post termed it legal but immoral. You have said pretty much in other threads and posts (e.g. armchair GPL lawyers). If there are some rights violated where I should rise up and fulminate about it, let me know.
3) My expertise is not in the law, but I’ve unfortunately had to deal with lots of intellectual property process and proceeding. Many years ago I made the same sort of “but then it’s all under the GPL” mistakes of reasoning that you see repeated here.
4) I have been entirely consistent in arguing that the GPL isn’t some sort of magic pixie dust. I haven’t said anything about FF2’s playing strength, CB’s marketing tactics, whether it’s worth buying (clue: I’m not buying it), etc.
5) If you feel disgusted because I take positions you don’t like, I can’t help that. Take some Imodium.

[dkappe]

I also would like to point out the the link was only posted by dkappe, which I believe is in his interest for it not be viewed.

If you go up through the thread, you will find it was posted by intrepid and not myself.

[Sopel]

I also would like to point out the the link was only posted by dkappe, which I believe is in his interest for it not be viewed.

If you go up through the thread, you will find it was posted by intrepid and not myself.

I was talking about the fatfritz.net site.

@edit. Either way, I just made that remark to make it clear that we have not planted this link in this thread on purpose.

[dkappe]

I also would like to point out the the link was only posted by dkappe, which I believe is in his interest for it not be viewed.

If you go up through the thread, you will find it was posted by intrepid and not myself.

I was talking about the fatfritz.net site.

Ah. Since the video is at the bottom, I wasn’t properly horrified by it until intrepid alerted me to it.

Edit: it wasn’t a link. It was just the domain name.

[dkappe]

I’d like to report a bug. SF13 just lost as white in the KID to FF2 on Nav’s stream. Must be a bug.

[Collingwood]

Even A. Silver would be way happier. ... And maybe he'll make major contributions to this field at some future point in time?

Pigs might fly.

[Collingwood]

Why overcomplicate it, and even go down the "naming" route of the "engine" / "entity" ??.. If they have a network for Stockfish they would like to sell to users... Just be honest about it! Sell the network and provide download links to the builds of stockfish fork + source needed to run it. How difficult would this be?

The only reason, I can think of for naming this fat fritz 2.0 (implying it s a "new version of Fritz" ) and not Stockfish, is to deceive buyers, in my opinion.

Yes. Total honesty would have been nice.

[Collingwood]

Everyone seems to be hung up on "It is not very different from SF"

It does not have to be.

It may be okay for it to be a SF clone but only if one is clear and honest about it being a SF clone.

It is OK to not like what Chessbase has done, but that does not make it illegal.

Allegedly not being illegal does not make it right.

[gonzochess75]

I'd just like to thank this thread for alerting me to the El Risitas meme videos. This one is hilarious too:

Now can someone please do a Downfall video related to chess programming somehow??

Almost as funny as the videos is watching everyone get worked up and trying to claim copyright violation for these memes. Just hilarious. Keep it coming!