We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by amanjpro »

lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:59 pm
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:54 pm
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:43 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:11 am
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:24 am
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:15 am
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:56 am
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:49 am
I believe it was a mix, but mostly 1 min bullets or maybe less.... Do not forget Zahak runs in Raspberry Pi 3, which is a rather slow machine... And still he hasn't been beaten by a human player (if you discount that match). He hasnt many games against humans though; Probably because, lichess users prefer to play humans not bots?
Here is a list of games played versus human ==> https://lichess.org/@/zahak_engine
I don't see the games vs. humans separated from bot games. How many games has Zahak played there vs. humans over 1800 at blitz (not bullet)? What was the score? Also, how many times faster is the ccrl reference i7 machine compared to that Raspberry Pi 3? I think your results suggest that against humans, playing blitz (say 3' + 2" average), Zahak would perform several hundred elo above its CCRL blitz rating, not just a couple hundred, which is what I've been saying, but perhaps there aren't enough relevant human games to say?
That is exactly my point, there are not many relevant games against human against bots at least not on lichess. People usually detest them, as they are hard to beat and annoyingly accurate
I know there aren't many, but are there any at all (blitz vs human over 1800)?

I'm over 1800 according to lichess, and my winning chances against Zahak is literally zero. I have never been able to beat him since he has been officially rated at CCRL ( I believe since he was at 1821). My lichess rating is hovering around 1920 or so, my brother too, same elo range as mine and no win against Zahak. On lichess I have more than 30 games against Zahak, on droidfish I have plenty.

If you would like I'll play 20 game match against Zahak with TC 5m+2s and will report the result. I use lichess for that, so you can watch the games live
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by Chessqueen »

lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:59 pm
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:54 pm
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:43 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:11 am
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:24 am
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:15 am
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:56 am
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:49 am
I believe it was a mix, but mostly 1 min bullets or maybe less.... Do not forget Zahak runs in Raspberry Pi 3, which is a rather slow machine... And still he hasn't been beaten by a human player (if you discount that match). He hasnt many games against humans though; Probably because, lichess users prefer to play humans not bots?
Here is a list of games played versus human ==> https://lichess.org/@/zahak_engine
I don't see the games vs. humans separated from bot games. How many games has Zahak played there vs. humans over 1800 at blitz (not bullet)? What was the score? Also, how many times faster is the ccrl reference i7 machine compared to that Raspberry Pi 3? I think your results suggest that against humans, playing blitz (say 3' + 2" average), Zahak would perform several hundred elo above its CCRL blitz rating, not just a couple hundred, which is what I've been saying, but perhaps there aren't enough relevant human games to say?
That is exactly my point, there are not many relevant games against human against bots at least not on lichess. People usually detest them, as they are hard to beat and annoyingly accurate
I know there aren't many, but are there any at all (blitz vs human over 1800)?

What was your last Correspondence rating and do you feel like plying versus Komodo Dragon2 MCTS with some odds depending on your last rating?

2336 ICCF (https://www.iccf.com/player?id=516044&tab=3 ) but this rating period ends tomorrow and I'm forecasted to be 2352 in the July rating list. I'd only be interested in something resembling correspondence time controls, I could handle a move every two days or one move a day.

Mr. Kaufman this correspondence player with a rating of 2352 would like to challenge Komodo Dragon here on talkchesss, just like Chrisw did, what Odds are you willing to give him if he also take 1 minute per move and Komodo Dragon 15 minutes total and what condition, probably not using any engine rated over 2550 to assist him?
https://www.iccf.com/player?id=516044&tab=3
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by lkaufman »

amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 5:12 pm
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:59 pm
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:54 pm
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:43 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:11 am
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:24 am
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:15 am
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:56 am
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:49 am
I believe it was a mix, but mostly 1 min bullets or maybe less.... Do not forget Zahak runs in Raspberry Pi 3, which is a rather slow machine... And still he hasn't been beaten by a human player (if you discount that match). He hasnt many games against humans though; Probably because, lichess users prefer to play humans not bots?
Here is a list of games played versus human ==> https://lichess.org/@/zahak_engine
I don't see the games vs. humans separated from bot games. How many games has Zahak played there vs. humans over 1800 at blitz (not bullet)? What was the score? Also, how many times faster is the ccrl reference i7 machine compared to that Raspberry Pi 3? I think your results suggest that against humans, playing blitz (say 3' + 2" average), Zahak would perform several hundred elo above its CCRL blitz rating, not just a couple hundred, which is what I've been saying, but perhaps there aren't enough relevant human games to say?
That is exactly my point, there are not many relevant games against human against bots at least not on lichess. People usually detest them, as they are hard to beat and annoyingly accurate
I know there aren't many, but are there any at all (blitz vs human over 1800)?

I'm over 1800 according to lichess, and my winning chances against Zahak is literally zero. I have never been able to beat him since he has been officially rated at CCRL ( I believe since he was at 1821). My lichess rating is hovering around 1920 or so, my brother too, same elo range as mine and no win against Zahak. On lichess I have more than 30 games against Zahak, on droidfish I have plenty.

If you would like I'll play 20 game match against Zahak with TC 5m+2s and will report the result. I use lichess for that, so you can watch the games live
Would this be against an older version that had a ccrl blitz rating like 2000? Obviously you would have no chance against the new one if it is 2400+ CCRL. Would these be using that slow Rasperry Pi, and if so how slow is it for your engine (relative to i7)? This does sound like meaningful data for that range of engines vs. human.
Komodo rules!
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by Chessqueen »

lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 5:58 pm
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 5:12 pm
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:59 pm
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:54 pm
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:43 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:11 am
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:24 am
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:15 am
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:56 am
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:49 am
I believe it was a mix, but mostly 1 min bullets or maybe less.... Do not forget Zahak runs in Raspberry Pi 3, which is a rather slow machine... And still he hasn't been beaten by a human player (if you discount that match). He hasnt many games against humans though; Probably because, lichess users prefer to play humans not bots?
Here is a list of games played versus human ==> https://lichess.org/@/zahak_engine
I don't see the games vs. humans separated from bot games. How many games has Zahak played there vs. humans over 1800 at blitz (not bullet)? What was the score? Also, how many times faster is the ccrl reference i7 machine compared to that Raspberry Pi 3? I think your results suggest that against humans, playing blitz (say 3' + 2" average), Zahak would perform several hundred elo above its CCRL blitz rating, not just a couple hundred, which is what I've been saying, but perhaps there aren't enough relevant human games to say?
That is exactly my point, there are not many relevant games against human against bots at least not on lichess. People usually detest them, as they are hard to beat and annoyingly accurate
I know there aren't many, but are there any at all (blitz vs human over 1800)?

I'm over 1800 according to lichess, and my winning chances against Zahak is literally zero. I have never been able to beat him since he has been officially rated at CCRL ( I believe since he was at 1821). My lichess rating is hovering around 1920 or so, my brother too, same elo range as mine and no win against Zahak. On lichess I have more than 30 games against Zahak, on droidfish I have plenty.

If you would like I'll play 20 game match against Zahak with TC 5m+2s and will report the result. I use lichess for that, so you can watch the games live
Would this be against an older version that had a ccrl blitz rating like 2000? Obviously you would have no chance against the new one if it is 2400+ CCRL. Would these be using that slow Rasperry Pi, and if so how slow is it for your engine (relative to i7)? This does sound like meaningful data for that range of engines vs. human.

What was your last Correspondence rating and do you feel like plying versus Komodo Dragon2 MCTS with some odds depending on your last rating?

2336 ICCF (https://www.iccf.com/player?id=516044&tab=3 ) but this rating period ends tomorrow and I'm forecasted to be 2352 in the July rating list. I'd only be interested in something resembling correspondence time controls, I could handle a move per day.

Mr. Kaufman this correspondence player with a rating of 2352 would like to challenge Komodo Dragon here on talkchesss, just like Chrisw did, what Odds are you willing to give him if he also take 1 minute per move and Komodo Dragon 30 minutes total and under what condition?
https://www.iccf.com/player?id=516044&tab=3

Mr. Kaufman he is currently posting here under this topic under the name of Leto ==> http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... 5&start=50
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by amanjpro »

lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 5:58 pm
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 5:12 pm
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:59 pm
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:54 pm
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:43 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:11 am
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:24 am
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:15 am
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:56 am
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:49 am
I believe it was a mix, but mostly 1 min bullets or maybe less.... Do not forget Zahak runs in Raspberry Pi 3, which is a rather slow machine... And still he hasn't been beaten by a human player (if you discount that match). He hasnt many games against humans though; Probably because, lichess users prefer to play humans not bots?
Here is a list of games played versus human ==> https://lichess.org/@/zahak_engine
I don't see the games vs. humans separated from bot games. How many games has Zahak played there vs. humans over 1800 at blitz (not bullet)? What was the score? Also, how many times faster is the ccrl reference i7 machine compared to that Raspberry Pi 3? I think your results suggest that against humans, playing blitz (say 3' + 2" average), Zahak would perform several hundred elo above its CCRL blitz rating, not just a couple hundred, which is what I've been saying, but perhaps there aren't enough relevant human games to say?
That is exactly my point, there are not many relevant games against human against bots at least not on lichess. People usually detest them, as they are hard to beat and annoyingly accurate
I know there aren't many, but are there any at all (blitz vs human over 1800)?

I'm over 1800 according to lichess, and my winning chances against Zahak is literally zero. I have never been able to beat him since he has been officially rated at CCRL ( I believe since he was at 1821). My lichess rating is hovering around 1920 or so, my brother too, same elo range as mine and no win against Zahak. On lichess I have more than 30 games against Zahak, on droidfish I have plenty.

If you would like I'll play 20 game match against Zahak with TC 5m+2s and will report the result. I use lichess for that, so you can watch the games live
Would this be against an older version that had a ccrl blitz rating like 2000? Obviously you would have no chance against the new one if it is 2400+ CCRL. Would these be using that slow Rasperry Pi, and if so how slow is it for your engine (relative to i7)? This does sound like meaningful data for that range of engines vs. human.

You can choose the version that you want me to test, and I'll put that version on lichess temporarily. I will be using my raspberry pi. It is hard for me to answer your question regarding the mapping to intel reference CPU, as I don't have one. But maybe somebody else might be able to answer this. I can tell you the NPS though, if that means anything
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by chrisw »

lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:32 pm
chrisw wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:29 am
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
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1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 [/pgn]

Nf6
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[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
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[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
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f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+ Bxh6[/pgn]

Bxh6
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by lkaufman »

chrisw wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:37 pm
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "81"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+ Bxh6[/pgn]

Bxh6
[pgn]
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[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
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[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 * [/pgn]
Komodo rules!
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by chrisw »

lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:47 pm
chrisw wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:37 pm
[pgn]
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[Date "2021.05.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
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1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+ Bxh6[/pgn]

Bxh6
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22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6[/pgn]


Kg6
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by Chessqueen »

chrisw wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:51 pm
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:47 pm
chrisw wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:37 pm
[pgn]
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[Date "2021.05.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
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[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+ Bxh6[/pgn]

Bxh6
[pgn]
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[Date "2021.05.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
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1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6[/pgn]

Kg6
Chrisw, you will almost pocket this win in a few moves :roll:
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by lkaufman »

chrisw wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:51 pm
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "81"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6[/pgn]

Kg6
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds math"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "83"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 * [/pgn]
Komodo rules!