Banksia GUI released

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Re: Banksia GUI released

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The Stockfish developers are currently working hard to make Stockfish stronger (and to hunt down derivatives). Constantly new versions and new networks! That is very nice, but it lacks other basic functions. Playing without a book is no fun! Yesterday I played a few games with the latest stockfish and net from Sopel on Lichess. But I had to play without a book. That's shit and of no value in the long run.

I will soon delete some derivatives from my hard drive due to GPL violation. But then I almost no longer have an up-to-date engine with the ability to load polyglot books.

What can I do against it? With other GUIs I can load native books and play them on the servers. But I can't do that on Lichess.

What alternatives do I have? Do I have to stop playing Lichess?

Or maybe Banksia will offer an option to load opening books for playing on Lichess?
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Re: Banksia GUI released

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Eduard wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:35 pm The Stockfish developers are currently working hard to make Stockfish stronger (and to hunt down derivatives). Constantly new versions and new networks! That is very nice, but it lacks other basic functions. Playing without a book is no fun! Yesterday I played a few games with the latest stockfish and net from Sopel on Lichess. But I had to play without a book. That's shit and of no value in the long run.

I will soon delete some derivatives from my hard drive due to GPL violation. But then I almost no longer have an up-to-date engine with the ability to load polyglot books.

What can I do against it? With other GUIs I can load native books and play them on the servers. But I can't do that on Lichess.

What alternatives do I have? Do I have to stop playing Lichess?

Or maybe Banksia will offer an option to load opening books for playing on Lichess?
Once CFish is up to date with Stockfish master again you can use up to two polyglot books. Alternatively, you can use Brainlearn which dynamically builds a persistent hash to guide SF's search which turns out to increase SF's strength about as much as a regular book. This will need a couple of thousand games, though.
I commend you for not using SF derivatives that don't honour SF's license.
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Re: Banksia GUI released

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Eduard wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:35 pm The Stockfish developers are currently working hard to make Stockfish stronger (and to hunt down derivatives). Constantly new versions and new networks! That is very nice, but it lacks other basic functions. Playing without a book is no fun! Yesterday I played a few games with the latest stockfish and net from Sopel on Lichess. But I had to play without a book. That's shit and of no value in the long run.

I will soon delete some derivatives from my hard drive due to GPL violation. But then I almost no longer have an up-to-date engine with the ability to load polyglot books.

What can I do against it? With other GUIs I can load native books and play them on the servers. But I can't do that on Lichess.

What alternatives do I have? Do I have to stop playing Lichess?

Or maybe Banksia will offer an option to load opening books for playing on Lichess?
Depending on which lichess-client you use, you can have it use a book directly without the use of the engine.
https://github.com/ShailChoksi/lichess-bot
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Re: Banksia GUI released

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For opening books in bin format there is the Polyglot adapter.
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Re: Banksia GUI released

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Hi phhnguyen,

Good news!
This night BSG suddenly closed. I have only replaced Seer 2.20 with Seer 2.30. When I reopened it, score totals are magically fixed and I can continue my round robin, without restarting 500+ games :lol:

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...But on Tournament Results again there isn't the actual 54 engines tournament of 1431 games (!), only the previous one, so I cannot backup it. I don't understand how and when current tournament saving feature works, but I think that a button to MANUALLY save it when you need, would be easy to implement and safer for my valuable games :wink:

Best Regards,
Alex
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Re: Banksia GUI released

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AlexChess wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:27 pm Hi phhnguyen,

Good news!
This night BSG suddenly closed. I have only replaced Seer 2.20 with Seer 2.30. When I reopened it, score totals are magically fixed and I can continue my round robin, without restarting 500+ games :lol:

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...But on Tournament Results again there isn't the actual 54 engines tournament of 1431 games (!), only the previous one, so I cannot backup it. I don't understand how and when current tournament saving feature works, but I think that a button to MANUALLY save it when you need, would be easy to implement and safer for my valuable games :wink:

Best Regards,
Alex
BSG big fan & supporter
Interesting tournament! What’s the name of it? Andrew Grant and the chamber of torture?

Featuring:

1) Stockfish
2) Stockfish
3) Stockfish
4) Stockfish
5) Stockfish
6) Stockfish
7) Stockfish
8) Stockfish
9) Ethereal
10) Stockfish
11) Stockfish
12) Stockfish
13) Stockfish

I wonder if there will be a Happy End.
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Re: Banksia GUI released

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Sorry, I really don't like to interact with you and you are off topic here, too.

Here we share ideas with the skilled author that likes suggestions by fans that contribute to fix a completely free and very promising open source GUI.

Regards, Alex
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Re: Banksia GUI released

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AlexChess wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:46 pm Sorry, I really don't like to interact with you and you are off topic here, too.

Here we share ideas with the skilled author that likes suggestions by fans that contribute to fix a completely free and very promising open source GUI.

Regards, Alex
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Re: Banksia GUI released

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ChickenLogic wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:44 am
Eduard wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:35 pm The Stockfish developers are currently working hard to make Stockfish stronger (and to hunt down derivatives). Constantly new versions and new networks! That is very nice, but it lacks other basic functions. Playing without a book is no fun! Yesterday I played a few games with the latest stockfish and net from Sopel on Lichess. But I had to play without a book. That's shit and of no value in the long run.

I will soon delete some derivatives from my hard drive due to GPL violation. But then I almost no longer have an up-to-date engine with the ability to load polyglot books.

What can I do against it? With other GUIs I can load native books and play them on the servers. But I can't do that on Lichess.

What alternatives do I have? Do I have to stop playing Lichess?

Or maybe Banksia will offer an option to load opening books for playing on Lichess?
Once CFish is up to date with Stockfish master again you can use up to two polyglot books. Alternatively, you can use Brainlearn which dynamically builds a persistent hash to guide SF's search which turns out to increase SF's strength about as much as a regular book. This will need a couple of thousand games, though.
I commend you for not using SF derivatives that don't honour SF's license.
I know all of these engines. Unfortunately, Cfish is not up to date, but above all the latest version does not run as AVX2. Without AVX2, Cfish is with me (Ryzen CPU), slower than the current Stockfish.

The newest engine (with book support) for me is SugaR AI 2.30. That's nice, and thanks to Marco Zerbitani for that.

There is also a Stockfish Polyglot that can load 4 books. The engine is from June 2021.

My fun is testing the latest networks. This is the point for me to test for lichess.

The latest engine from Sopel + Net is very strong and fun too. The new architecture plays strong. However, the network has a size of 45,900 kb. Only Sopel's engine can use it. Unfortunately, the developer does not consider that one would also like to test with books. Is it that hard to implement an option for a book? No Stockfish can use native books! A shame and embarrassing. But all derivatives can do that. That should change.
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Re: Banksia GUI released

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marsell wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:27 am For opening books in bin format there is the Polyglot adapter.
Where and how does it work? Perhaps such an adapter can be built into Banksia GUI?