FGRL, 60 sec + 0.6 sec - 16. Berserk 4.5.1, 25. Seer 2.2.0, 49. Minic 3.09, 80. Zahak 5.0

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FGRL, 60 sec + 0.6 sec - 16. Berserk 4.5.1, 25. Seer 2.2.0, 49. Minic 3.09, 80. Zahak 5.0

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FGRL rating list - 60 sec + 0.6 sec

Berserk 4.5.1 (+29 to Berserk 4.4.0)
Seer 2.2.0 (+83 to Seer 2.1.0)
Minic 3.09 (-36 to Minic 3.03 NaNi)
Zahak 5.0 (New: 2503)

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Re: FGRL, 60 sec + 0.6 sec - 16. Berserk 4.5.1, 25. Seer 2.2.0, 49. Minic 3.09, 80. Zahak 5.0

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Oh, many thanks for testing Zahak, this was the news of the day
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Post by xr_a_y »

fastgm wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:41 am FGRL rating list - 60 sec + 0.6 sec

Berserk 4.5.1 (+29 to Berserk 4.4.0)
Seer 2.2.0 (+83 to Seer 2.1.0)
Minic 3.09 (-36 to Minic 3.03 NaNi)
Zahak 5.0 (New: 2503)

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Thanks for testing. But what a strange result for Minic ! Were both version tested on the same hardware ? Are you sure about the settings ? The results look like you tested HCE instead of embedded net.
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Post by xr_a_y »

Oh I just realized your hardware is AVX and not AVX2, that may be the clue.
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xr_a_y wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:38 am
Thanks for testing. But what a strange result for Minic ! Were both version tested on the same hardware ? Are you sure about the settings ? The results look like you tested HCE instead of embedded net.
I tested this version with the embedded net "nidicolous nighthawk".
https://github.com/tryingsomestuff/Mini ... ehalem.exe

info string This is Minic version 3.09 (NNUE available)
info string Info 2021-08-20 08:57:24-802: Loading NNUE net embedded
uci
id name Minic 3.09
id author Vivien Clauzon

Did I do something wrong?
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Yes, hardware is AVX.
Does AVX2 make such a big difference?
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Ok the nehalem build is only SSE4.2, with your xeon E5-2670 you probably can use the sandybridge one.
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fastgm wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:02 am Yes, hardware is AVX.
Does AVX2 make such a big difference?
Yes big difference ! between the SSE4.2, the AVX and the AVX2 built for NNUE engine.
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xr_a_y wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:03 am
fastgm wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:02 am Yes, hardware is AVX.
Does AVX2 make such a big difference?
Yes big difference ! between the SSE4.2, the AVX and the AVX2 built for NNUE engine.
Well, next I'll test this version:
minic_3.12_mingw_x64_sandybridge.exe

Then at least we see this difference.
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Post by xr_a_y »

Well you will see a difference between SSE4.2 and AVX but at very short TC (5s+0.1) AVX2 makes a huge difference (only hand optimized code in Minic)

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 minic_3.12_linux_x64_skylake          278      13    2677   83.2%   25.4% 
   2 minic_3.12_linux_x64_sandybridge      -68      11    2677   40.4%   33.9% 
   3 minic_3.12_linux_x64_nehalem          -81      11    2676   38.6%   34.0% 
   4 minic_3.12_linux_x64_core2            -86      11    2676   37.9%   32.7%