Windows 11 and large pages

[Jouni]

If You update W10 to W11 are large pages working automatically, if they work in W10?

[ChickenLogic]

I don't know the answer to that. What I do know is that in many test reports, including my own, Windows 11 uses quite a bit more ram and CPU cycles while idle. The performance in a lot of tests was simply worse. I don't see why anyone would want to update. The only reason to update should be
1) having an intel alder lake (intel thread director will only work properly with win 11 - as of now)
2) needing to run android apps 'natively' on your PC (which I don't think many of us really need)

For most it'll be smarter to wait until Microsoft gets rid of the annoyances or even critical bugs that are present in Windows 11.

[yurikvelo]

I do not see any idle load after upgrading to Win11.
RyzenMaster utility shows the same IDLE state for all but one cores, and one core iether IDLE or ~100 MHz active.

The only application were I measured worse perfomance is WinRar internal benchmark (not real-world compression) by 2.5% and AIDA64 L3 latency benchmarks.
In real world applications I found no difference.

[Joost Buijs]

If You update W10 to W11 are large pages working automatically, if they work in W10?

I can confirm that after updating W10 to W11 large pages keep working like they used to.

If you have 'lock pages in memory' enabled under W10 it remains enables under W11, and (like under W10) you don't have to run your app as administrator.

[ChickenLogic]

I do not see any idle load after upgrading to Win11.
RyzenMaster utility shows the same IDLE state for all but one cores, and one core iether IDLE or ~100 MHz active.

The only application were I measured worse perfomance is WinRar internal benchmark (not real-world compression) by 2.5% and AIDA64 L3 latency benchmarks.
In real world applications I found no difference.

I was imprecise. I didn't mean idle states (which should be the same really). What I meant is booting and logging in and then simply doing nothing except starting the task manager. There I observed some weird spikes in CPU usage and a general higher 'idle load' (i.e. background tasks/services).
Either way, upgrading to get 'not worse performance' at best isn't all that smart given how new and buggy Win 11 is. It certainly does have a lot of bugs and inconveniences. Their desktop environment is neither that complex nor gives you a lot of options you can customize. It using up 2.5 GB of RAM straight after booting is unacceptable (some reported slightly lower use like 2.3 or 2.4 GB while for windows 10 I generally see it being between 2 and 2.2 GB). I don't think the 2 GB w10 needs is justified either. Note that I'm not talking about the portion that is 'used' but can easily be taken by other applications (i.e. is used but available). I only refer to ram that is used and unavailable.

Ask yourself this: Do you need windows 11 or do you just like its looks? If all you care about is the looks then it is probably better to not 'upgrade'. You'll still be able to upgrade once w11 is more stable or actually provides a real advantage (like win 10 being EOL).

The only feature that was introduced since Windows 7 that I cared about is WSL. There was/is so little progress from Microsoft in regards to security and performance that I finally ditched all their products completely. I'm not even using it in a VM.

[yurikvelo]

I was imprecise. I didn't mean idle states (which should be the same really). What I meant is booting and logging in and then simply doing nothing except starting the task manager. There I observed some weird spikes in CPU usage and a general higher 'idle load' (i.e. background tasks/services).

I meant the same. I open taskmgr.exe + RyzenMaster
All user programs are closed.
I see no load, neither % in task manager, nor activity in RyzenMaster.
I see no difference in benchmarks with Win10 and Win10 boot from USB Live (live W10 USB stick image for service purposes like HDD partitioning etc)

I assume this additional load is very likely possible from various pre-packed [bullshit] stuff (Cortana, OneDrive, Teams, Mail, search bar, info bar) + online user account with full sync between devices etc. I do not use any of this, everything is either uninstalled (if possible in "Apps & Features) or disabled. All this stuff was disabled on my PC in Win10, after upgrade to Win11 only "Teams" app arrived and was disabled in 1 click.

It certainly does have a lot of bugs and inconveniences.

nice and stable, don't understand this hype around "buggy windows"

Ask yourself this: Do you need windows 11 or do you just like its looks? If all you care about is the looks then it is probably better to not 'upgrade'.

Ask yourself different way: is Win11 really so bad that you should raise the rebel flag, swim against the tide and waste your efforts as many years as possible to resist inevitable upgrade

[ChickenLogic]

I was imprecise. I didn't mean idle states (which should be the same really). What I meant is booting and logging in and then simply doing nothing except starting the task manager. There I observed some weird spikes in CPU usage and a general higher 'idle load' (i.e. background tasks/services).

I meant the same. I open taskmgr.exe + RyzenMaster
All user programs are closed.
I see no load, neither % in task manager, nor activity in RyzenMaster.
I see no difference in benchmarks with Win10 and Win10 boot from USB Live (live W10 USB stick image for service purposes like HDD partitioning etc)

I assume this additional load is very likely possible from various pre-packed [bullshit] stuff (Cortana, OneDrive, Teams, Mail, search bar, info bar) + online user account with full sync between devices etc. I do not use any of this, everything is either uninstalled (if possible in "Apps & Features) or disabled. All this stuff was disabled on my PC in Win10, after upgrade to Win11 only "Teams" app arrived and was disabled in 1 click.

It certainly does have a lot of bugs and inconveniences.

nice and stable, don't understand this hype around "buggy windows"

Ask yourself this: Do you need windows 11 or do you just like its looks? If all you care about is the looks then it is probably better to not 'upgrade'.

Ask yourself different way: is Win11 really so bad that you should raise the rebel flag, swim against the tide and waste your efforts as many years as possible to resist inevitable upgrade

Given that Windows 11 is mostly Windows 10 with a new look + some bugs fixed and some new ones introduced it certainly isn't an upgrade. Downloading 5.4 GB (at least that's the .iso size) and going through an upgrade that isn't really one is just a waste of time. It isn't about being a rebel nor is it about avoiding the inevitable. It's called time and risk management.

Windows 11 has some nasty bugs. Just to list a few:
touch keyboard not working on surface laptops
mouse acceleration being activated for some time when alt tabbing/switching active window
shortcuts for the inbuilt snipping tool not working (in some reported cases print screen not working at all)
file search stopping entirely
virtual box not working properly with windows 11 + hyper-v

[yurikvelo]

Given that Windows 11 is mostly Windows 10 with a new look + some bugs fixed and some new ones introduced it certainly isn't an upgrade. Downloading 5.4 GB (at least that's the .iso size) and going through an upgrade that isn't really one is just a waste of time. It isn't about being a rebel nor is it about avoiding the inevitable. It's called time and risk management.

It is distributed as Windows Update.
It could be named as Windows 10 21H3, but got different naming.
I didn't download anything, procedure was the same as it was when 20H1 or 21H1 arrived.
No need to be rebel and deny Windows Updates.

[Jouni]

I hate unnecessary updates (except for chess engines ). There's no hurry: Desktop Windows 10 Support Ends October 2025.

[ChickenLogic]

Given that Windows 11 is mostly Windows 10 with a new look + some bugs fixed and some new ones introduced it certainly isn't an upgrade. Downloading 5.4 GB (at least that's the .iso size) and going through an upgrade that isn't really one is just a waste of time. It isn't about being a rebel nor is it about avoiding the inevitable. It's called time and risk management.

It is distributed as Windows Update.
It could be named as Windows 10 21H3, but got different naming.
I didn't download anything, procedure was the same as it was when 20H1 or 21H1 arrived.
No need to be rebel and deny Windows Updates.

There are more than just a few reasons not to update. My advice isn't even windows specific - it is considered best practice for any OS.
My main OS nowadays is Linux and the advice stays the same: don't update unless you have to.
If you think this is 'rebelling' then you're just ignorant.