Carlsen or Nepomniachtchi – Who will win?

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Who will Win?

Poll ended at Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:33 pm

Magnus Carlsen
31
74%
Ian Nepomniachtchi
11
26%
 
Total votes: 42

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Re: Carlsen or Nepomniachtchi – Who will win?

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Eduard wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:36 am Do you want to forbid me to write my opinion here? Who are you that you are allowed to do that? Do not read my posts, thank you!
I am not forbidding you, I am saying you made your point, and it is becoming repeatitive and boring
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This thread is about opinions on the WCh match in Dubai, and not about your engine

Zahak 9.0 For analysis (ChessX has auto-analysis which is awesome)

I have nothing against your engine, I also like to analyze very much, and everyone who knows my postings knows that I have already published many analyzes in this forum. In this thread I am still not doing it, this is about opinions on the match.

Well, I write plain text:
For me, both players play badly. I expected a higher level. I think Carlsen will win, his opponent has little courage and is scared.
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Kramnik and Anand share their thoughts and forecasts on the Carlsen-Nepomniachtchi match.

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AdminX wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:59 am Kramnik and Anand share their thoughts and forecasts on the Carlsen-Nepomniachtchi match.

Very interesting, thank for posting the Link, now here is the 4th Game in progress
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Chessqueen wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:17 pm
AdminX wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:59 am Kramnik and Anand share their thoughts and forecasts on the Carlsen-Nepomniachtchi match.

Very interesting, thank for posting the Link, now here is the 4th Game in progress
Sorry, but I believe that Caruana Analyzing the game is much better so here it is
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Game 4

[pgn]
[Event "FIDE World Championship 2021"]
[Site "Dubai"]
[Date "2021.11.30"]
[Round "4.1"]
[White "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Black "Nepomniachtchi, Ian"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C42"]
[WhiteElo "2855"]
[BlackElo "2782"]
[Annotator "ChessBase"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[EventDate "2021.11.25"]
[EventType "match"]
[EventCountry "UAE"]
[SourceTitle "playchess.com"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceQuality "1"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:900+30"]

1. e4 {3} e5 {7} 2. Nf3 {11} Nf6 {8} 3. Nxe5 {18} d6 {6} 4. Nf3 {4} Nxe4 {6} 5.
d4 {6} d5 {23} 6. Bd3 {16} Bd6 {6} 7. O-O {10} O-O {6} 8. c4 {63} c6 {142} 9.
Re1 {11} Bf5 {207} 10. Qb3 {62} Qd7 {52} 11. Nc3 {88} Nxc3 {22} 12. Bxf5 {8}
Qxf5 {5} 13. bxc3 {11} b6 {153} 14. cxd5 {10 14.cxd5 has become a bit dusty
these days.} cxd5 {30} 15. Qb5 {11} Qd7 {17} 16. a4 {52} Qxb5 {38} 17. axb5 {3}
a5 {11 [#]} 18. Nh4 $146 {7} ({Predecessor:} 18. bxa6 Nxa6 19. Ba3 Bxa3 20.
Rxa3 b5 21. Rea1 Nc7 22. Ne5 Rxa3 23. Rxa3 Ra8 24. Rxa8+ Nxa8 {1/2-1/2 (37)
Chazalette,J (2371)-Gagliardi,V (2188) ICCF email 2018}) 18... g6 {329} 19. g4
{48} Nd7 {209} 20. Ng2 {87} Rfc8 {58} 21. Bf4 {121} Bxf4 {638} 22. Nxf4 {3}
Rxc3 {8} 23. Nxd5 {8} Rd3 {142} 24. Re7 {14} Nf8 $1 {21} 25. Nf6+ {1342} Kg7 {
80} 26. Ne8+ {86} Kg8 {102} 27. d5 {467} a4 {425} 28. Nf6+ {527} Kg7 {75} 29.
g5 {6} a3 {210} 30. Ne8+ {2063} Kg8 {101} 31. Nf6+ {28} Kg7 {4} 32. Ne8+ $11 {
843} Kg8 {62} 33. Nf6+ {6} 1/2-1/2
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Game 5 will be another Draw, I believe we will have 14 Draw and the World Championship will be decided on Rapid or Blitz. To make it more exciting the time control should be 30 moves in 2 hours, followed by 15 moves in 1 hours and if needed 15 minutes for the rest of the game. That was the suggestion of Judit Polgar
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Game 5

[pgn]
[Event "FIDE World Championship 2021"]
[Site "Dubai"]
[Date "2021.12.01"]
[Round "5.1"]
[White "Nepomniachtchi, Ian"]
[Black "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C88"]
[WhiteElo "2782"]
[BlackElo "2855"]
[Annotator "ChessBase"]
[PlyCount "85"]
[EventDate "2021.11.25"]
[EventType "match"]
[EventCountry "UAE"]
[SourceTitle "playchess.com"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceQuality "1"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:900+30"]

1. e4 {8} e5 {6} 2. Nf3 {5} Nc6 {5} 3. Bb5 {3} a6 {8} 4. Ba4 {4} Nf6 {10} 5.
O-O {7} Be7 {7} 6. Re1 {4} b5 {10} 7. Bb3 {6 White until here White until here}
O-O {10} 8. a4 {3} Rb8 {53} 9. axb5 {19} axb5 {4} 10. h3 {7} d6 {77} 11. c3 {16
} b4 {185} 12. d3 {29} bxc3 {192} 13. bxc3 {6} d5 {307} 14. Nbd2 {28} dxe4 {355
} 15. dxe4 {15} Bd6 {199} 16. Qc2 {342} h6 {467} 17. Nf1 {43} Ne7 {557} 18. Ng3
{199} Ng6 {113} 19. Be3 {123} Qe8 {1164} 20. Red1 {635} Be6 {119} 21. Ba4 {111}
Bd7 {182} 22. Nd2 {1103} Bxa4 {156} 23. Qxa4 {24} Qxa4 {13} 24. Rxa4 {4} Ra8 {8
} 25. Rda1 {48} Rxa4 {11} 26. Rxa4 {5} Rb8 {10} 27. Ra6 {328} Ne8 {660} 28. Kf1
{254} Nf8 {273} 29. Nf5 {165} Ne6 {73} 30. Nc4 {82} Rd8 {250} 31. f3 {673} f6 {
118} 32. g4 {357} Kf7 {12} 33. h4 {22} Bf8 {26} 34. Ke2 {19} Nd6 {12} 35.
Ncxd6+ {266} Bxd6 {2} 36. h5 {10} Bf8 {25} 37. Ra5 {579} Ke8 {9} 38. Rd5 {46}
Ra8 {15} 39. Rd1 {86} Ra2+ {33} 40. Rd2 {0} Ra1 {0} 41. Rd1 {406} Ra2+ $11 {30}
42. Rd2 {5} Ra1 {7} 43. Rd1 {32} 1/2-1/2
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Chessqueen wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:28 pm Game 5 will be another Draw, I believe we will have 14 Draw and the World Championship will be decided on Rapid or Blitz. To make it more exciting the time control should be 30 moves in 2 hours, followed by 15 moves in 1 hours and if needed 15 minutes for the rest of the game. That was the suggestion of Judit Polgar
That would likely make for some more decisive results,yes...but I am afraid directly as a result of home prep the unlucky person on the bad side would find himself in.

I don't like the thought of 'home prep' being that decisive...and am happy to see someone hit with that prep having the opportunity to 'work things out' OTB. I think we have seen that from Magnus already.

Now, if the number of games were doubled (or a set # of wins needed...say 5), I might could go for that as more games would help mitigate the effects.

I'm sure everyone remembers those 'knock out' Wch Tourneys and how those best of 3 things had resulted in a bit of chaos instead of the better player winning to advance to the next round.
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I wonder how Carlsen would respond if Nepomniachtchi played this?

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