Carlsen or Nepomniachtchi – Who will win?

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Who will Win?

Poll ended at Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:33 pm

Magnus Carlsen
31
74%
Ian Nepomniachtchi
11
26%
 
Total votes: 42

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M ANSARI wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:44 am Nepo weakness is he tends to play fast and impulsively and put time pressure on his opponent. This might work well in rapid but really not a good idea in classic. A lot of people seem to think that allowing the bishop to be trapped was a huge blunder ... and it was ... but I was watching Judit Polgar commentary and she actually had mentioned it as a move but then her co commentator Giri quickly showed that moving the pawn was not a move as it strands the bishop. According to Nepo he had counted on the Knight to bodyguard the extended bishop but just completely forgot that moving the pawn cancels that option. He spent almost 5 minutes before playing that move and I think that is where the craziness is. If this was played in say 10 seconds I could understand it ... but 5 minutes !!! Hard to explain!
So hard, perhaps you have to chalk it up to nerves...a pernicious tendency not suited for match play coupled with 'first time on the big stage' nerves.

Yes, I went back and watched parts of other broadcasts ( I normally stick to the Caruana, Hess, Rensch on chess.com ) and Judit - like the born analyzer she is- goes down rabbit holes analyzing far more than she should...even stays with it after a move has been made in the match. Giri often has to say things like 'can we go back to...' or 'lets go back to'. You miss things in adhoc and unfocused analysis, especially if you have not been an active tournament player for some time.
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M ANSARI wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:44 am Nepo weakness is he tends to play fast and impulsively and put time pressure on his opponent. This might work well in rapid but really not a good idea in classic. A lot of people seem to think that allowing the bishop to be trapped was a huge blunder ... and it was ... but I was watching Judit Polgar commentary and she actually had mentioned it as a move but then her co commentator Giri quickly showed that moving the pawn was not a move as it strands the bishop. According to Nepo he had counted on the Knight to bodyguard the extended bishop but just completely forgot that moving the pawn cancels that option. He spent almost 5 minutes before playing that move and I think that is where the craziness is. If this was played in say 10 seconds I could understand it ... but 5 minutes !!! Hard to explain!
I would like to see a match of 10 games of Blitz against GM Nihal today. Is this how GM Nepo turn his head after Blundering ?
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Chessqueen wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 4:46 pm
I would like to see a match of 10 games of Blitz against GM Nihal today. Is this how GM Nepo turn his head after Blundering ?
At least he stayed at the board the whole time...
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Cornfed wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:34 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 4:46 pm
I would like to see a match of 10 games of Blitz against GM Nihal today. Is this how GM Nepo turn his head after Blundering ?
At least he stayed at the board the whole time...
After the Blunders in game 8 stockfish could still draw against Carsen, but not after the blundering the Bishop in game 10 ?
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Chessqueen wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:56 pm
Cornfed wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:34 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 4:46 pm
I would like to see a match of 10 games of Blitz against GM Nihal today. Is this how GM Nepo turn his head after Blundering ?
At least he stayed at the board the whole time...
After the Blunders in game 8 stockfish could still draw against Carsen, but not after blundering the Bishop in game 10 ?
If I am GM Nepo I would resign with the excuse that Carsen was going to mate him in the 80th moves, go back home and enjoy the 1.5 million, retire from chess and open up a business.
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Boooh!

Again in game 11? Maybe he could switch to checkers. 1.5 million $ :cry:

I'm so bored that I don't even want to analyse Nepo blunders with engines... :oops:
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Is the match over?

What a poor world championship! It's the worst ever.
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AlexChess wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:50 pm Boooh!

Again in game 11? Maybe he could switch to checkers. 1.5 million $ :cry:

I'm so bored that I don't even want to analyse Nepo blunders with engines... :oops:
If he didn't want to play the game tomorrow he could have resigned in dead draw position, no need to blunder it to resign. It's kind of pointless, the guy is a joke.
Btw. Judit really gained some weight. She looks like an average Hungarian waitress :lol:.
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[pgn]
[Event "FIDE World Championship 2021"]
[Site "Dubai"]
[Date "2021.12.10"]
[Round "11.1"]
[White "Nepomniachtchi, Ian"]
[Black "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Result "0-1"]
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[WhiteElo "2782"]
[BlackElo "2855"]
[Annotator "ChessBase"]
[PlyCount "98"]
[EventDate "2021.11.25"]
[EventType "match"]
[EventCountry "UAE"]
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[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceQuality "1"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:900+30"]

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c3 {12} d6 {31} 6. O-O {11} a5 {42} 7. Re1 {32} Ba7 {19} 8. Na3 {47} h6 {186}
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} Be6 {393} 13. Bxe6 {23} Rxe6 {8} 14. Qb3 {6} b6 {547} 15. Rad1 {440} Ne7 {215
} 16. h3 {117} Qd7 {197} 17. Nh2 {341} Rd8 {390} 18. Nhg4 {38} Nxg4 {433} 19.
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Qc2 {125} Rf4 {101} 23. g3 $2 {570 [#]} dxe3 $1 {79} 24. gxf4 {145} Qxg4+ {3}
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Rd6 $1) 27. d6 {89} Nh4 {614} 28. fxe3 {24} Qg3+ {198} ({Don't blunder} 28...
Rxd6 $2 29. Rxd6 Nf3+ 30. Kf2 Qh2+ 31. Kxf3) ({But not} 28... Nf3+ $2 29. Kf2
Rxd6 30. Rh1 $2 Nh2 $19) 29. Kf1 {43 [#]} Nf3 $1 {11} ({Stronger than} 29...
cxd6 30. Qf2 Qg4 31. e4 $14) (29... Rxd6 30. Rxd6 cxd6 31. Qf2 $11) 30. Qf2 {
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{13} 34. Kf3 {35} Rd2 {196} 35. Rb1 {32} g6 {87} 36. b4 {29} axb4 {13} 37. Rxb4
{5} Ra2 {72} 38. Ke4 {175} h5 {94} 39. Kd5 {26} Rc2 {444} 40. Rb3 {0} h4 {0}
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Can I change my vote to Nepomniachtchi? I think he could mount a comeback.
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