Komodo Dragon vs GM Ben Finegold knight odds match.

[lkaufman]

I know that most people only are interested in seeing Odds versus GMs, but it would be nice to see how Komodo Dragon 2.6.1 does in a future event
maybe 2300 FIDE for Rooks odds in FRC Rapid, since we have seeing many many Knight Odds against GMs already.

GM's...gravitate towards 2300 as they get older and less active in serious competitive competition.

For these matches, I try to pick IMs and GMs who currently play at about the standard required to earn the title currently, at least at the Rapid time controls we use for these events. That means 2400 for IM, 2500 for GM. Although Ben has fallen about fifty elo from the 2500 level at classical chess, I would still bet on him in a Rapid match with a randomly chosen GM of 2500 FIDE (standard tc) rating, since he is so good at blitz. My own FIDE rating has dropped to just 2188 at age 74, but I note that GM Suba, with whom I shared the World Senior title in 2008 and who is the same age as I am, has dropped all the way to 2111 (he was around 2500 in 2008!). There's no denying that age hurts a player's practical playing strength, especially in the 70s and beyond, and it's also pretty clear that standards have risen, a 2500 is a stronger player now than a 2500 was 20 years ago, by at least 100 elo. This has been shown by computer analysis of game scores.

[Chessqueen]

I know that most people only are interested in seeing Odds versus GMs, but it would be nice to see how Komodo Dragon 2.6.1 does in a future event
maybe 2300 FIDE for Rooks odds in FRC Rapid, since we have seeing many many Knight Odds against GMs already.

GM's...gravitate towards 2300 as they get older and less active in serious competitive competition.

For these matches, I try to pick IMs and GMs who currently play at about the standard required to earn the title currently, at least at the Rapid time controls we use for these events. That means 2400 for IM, 2500 for GM. Although Ben has fallen about fifty elo from the 2500 level at classical chess, I would still bet on him in a Rapid match with a randomly chosen GM of 2500 FIDE (standard tc) rating, since he is so good at blitz. My own FIDE rating has dropped to just 2188 at age 74, but I note that GM Suba, with whom I shared the World Senior title in 2008 and who is the same age as I am, has dropped all the way to 2111 (he was around 2500 in 2008!). There's no denying that age hurts a player's practical playing strength, especially in the 70s and beyond, and it's also pretty clear that standards have risen, a 2500 is a stronger player now than a 2500 was 20 years ago, by at least 100 elo. This has been shown by computer analysis of game scores.

I Believe that Janis broke record of being the oldest to achieve a GM, or is there another who held the highest GM elo being the oldest? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C4%81nis_Klov%C4%81ns

It could have been this person too. Arthur Dake (1910-2000) was the oldest competitive chess grandmaster. He was still playing in rated chess tournaments at the age of 89. Yuri Averbakh, born in 1922, is the oldest grandmaster in the world. Enrico Paoli (1908-2005) received an honory Grandmaster title at the age of 88. https://en.chessbase.com/post/an-outsta ... rthur-dake

[lkaufman]

I know that most people only are interested in seeing Odds versus GMs, but it would be nice to see how Komodo Dragon 2.6.1 does in a future event
maybe 2300 FIDE for Rooks odds in FRC Rapid, since we have seeing many many Knight Odds against GMs already.

GM's...gravitate towards 2300 as they get older and less active in serious competitive competition.

For these matches, I try to pick IMs and GMs who currently play at about the standard required to earn the title currently, at least at the Rapid time controls we use for these events. That means 2400 for IM, 2500 for GM. Although Ben has fallen about fifty elo from the 2500 level at classical chess, I would still bet on him in a Rapid match with a randomly chosen GM of 2500 FIDE (standard tc) rating, since he is so good at blitz. My own FIDE rating has dropped to just 2188 at age 74, but I note that GM Suba, with whom I shared the World Senior title in 2008 and who is the same age as I am, has dropped all the way to 2111 (he was around 2500 in 2008!). There's no denying that age hurts a player's practical playing strength, especially in the 70s and beyond, and it's also pretty clear that standards have risen, a 2500 is a stronger player now than a 2500 was 20 years ago, by at least 100 elo. This has been shown by computer analysis of game scores.

I Believe that Janis broke record of being the oldest to achieve a GM and until he died he was the the person to have the highest GM Elo, or is there another who held the highest GM elo being the oldest? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C4%81nis_Klov%C4%81ns

It could have been this person too. Arthur Dake (1910-2000) was the oldest competitive chess grandmaster. He was still playing in rated chess tournaments at the age of 89. Yuri Averbakh, born in 1922, is the oldest grandmaster in the world. Enrico Paoli (1908-2005) received an honory Grandmaster title at the age of 88. https://en.chessbase.com/post/an-outsta ... rthur-dake

I owe my World Senior Title (in 2008) and GM title in part to my win over Janis Klovans. I'm pretty sure than Korchnoi must have the record for strength at an advanced age, he was still actively competiting with a FIDE rating over 2500 at age 80, I don't know anyone else who can match that claim.

[AdminX]

To spice things up for future matches I proposed the 'announce mate in 5' or more clause; where if the human announces a mate in 5 or more moves the human gets an extra quarter of a point if correct and loses a quarter of a point if wrong!

[Chessqueen]

I know that most people only are interested in seeing Odds versus GMs, but it would be nice to see how Komodo Dragon 2.6.1 does in a future event
maybe 2300 FIDE for Rooks odds in FRC Rapid, since we have seeing many many Knight Odds against GMs already.

GM's...gravitate towards 2300 as they get older and less active in serious competitive competition.

For these matches, I try to pick IMs and GMs who currently play at about the standard required to earn the title currently, at least at the Rapid time controls we use for these events. That means 2400 for IM, 2500 for GM. Although Ben has fallen about fifty elo from the 2500 level at classical chess, I would still bet on him in a Rapid match with a randomly chosen GM of 2500 FIDE (standard tc) rating, since he is so good at blitz. My own FIDE rating has dropped to just 2188 at age 74, but I note that GM Suba, with whom I shared the World Senior title in 2008 and who is the same age as I am, has dropped all the way to 2111 (he was around 2500 in 2008!). There's no denying that age hurts a player's practical playing strength, especially in the 70s and beyond, and it's also pretty clear that standards have risen, a 2500 is a stronger player now than a 2500 was 20 years ago, by at least 100 elo. This has been shown by computer analysis of game scores.

I Believe that Janis broke record of being the oldest to achieve a GM and until he died he was the the person to have the highest GM Elo, or is there another who held the highest GM elo being the oldest? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C4%81nis_Klov%C4%81ns

It could have been this person too. Arthur Dake (1910-2000) was the oldest competitive chess grandmaster. He was still playing in rated chess tournaments at the age of 89. Yuri Averbakh, born in 1922, is the oldest grandmaster in the world. Enrico Paoli (1908-2005) received an honory Grandmaster title at the age of 88. https://en.chessbase.com/post/an-outsta ... rthur-dake

I owe my World Senior Title (in 2008) and GM title in part to my win over Janis Klovans. I'm pretty sure than Korchnoi must have the record for strength at an advanced age, he was still actively competiting with a FIDE rating over 2500 at age 80, I don't know anyone else who can match that claim.

The more I think of it, the more I want to find out what would be the outcome if any different if GM Ben Finegold would have agreed to play the day after you offered him to play against Komodo Dragon2.6.1. giving him less time to prepare. That would be like fighting for the heavyweight boxing title and have the opportunity to spar with the champion several times before the actual match.

[lkaufman]

I know that most people only are interested in seeing Odds versus GMs, but it would be nice to see how Komodo Dragon 2.6.1 does in a future event
maybe 2300 FIDE for Rooks odds in FRC Rapid, since we have seeing many many Knight Odds against GMs already.

GM's...gravitate towards 2300 as they get older and less active in serious competitive competition.

For these matches, I try to pick IMs and GMs who currently play at about the standard required to earn the title currently, at least at the Rapid time controls we use for these events. That means 2400 for IM, 2500 for GM. Although Ben has fallen about fifty elo from the 2500 level at classical chess, I would still bet on him in a Rapid match with a randomly chosen GM of 2500 FIDE (standard tc) rating, since he is so good at blitz. My own FIDE rating has dropped to just 2188 at age 74, but I note that GM Suba, with whom I shared the World Senior title in 2008 and who is the same age as I am, has dropped all the way to 2111 (he was around 2500 in 2008!). There's no denying that age hurts a player's practical playing strength, especially in the 70s and beyond, and it's also pretty clear that standards have risen, a 2500 is a stronger player now than a 2500 was 20 years ago, by at least 100 elo. This has been shown by computer analysis of game scores.

I Believe that Janis broke record of being the oldest to achieve a GM and until he died he was the the person to have the highest GM Elo, or is there another who held the highest GM elo being the oldest? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C4%81nis_Klov%C4%81ns

It could have been this person too. Arthur Dake (1910-2000) was the oldest competitive chess grandmaster. He was still playing in rated chess tournaments at the age of 89. Yuri Averbakh, born in 1922, is the oldest grandmaster in the world. Enrico Paoli (1908-2005) received an honory Grandmaster title at the age of 88. https://en.chessbase.com/post/an-outsta ... rthur-dake

I owe my World Senior Title (in 2008) and GM title in part to my win over Janis Klovans. I'm pretty sure than Korchnoi must have the record for strength at an advanced age, he was still actively competiting with a FIDE rating over 2500 at age 80, I don't know anyone else who can match that claim.

The more I think of it, the more I want to find out what would be the outcome if any different if GM Ben Finegold would have agreed to play the day after you offered him to play against Komodo Dragon2.6.1. giving him less time to prepare. That would be like fighting for the heavyweight boxing title and have the opportunity to spar with the champion several times before the actual match.

I don't think this is a big issue; Ben is pretty busy, and since he doesn't have the opening book or know what settings I'll use or even have the same net any training he does will be of a general nature, which he could do against another engine like SF or Lc0 if he didn't have Dragon. It's not likely that he'll be able to guess more than the first 3 or 4 moves by the engine.

[Chessqueen]

I know that most people only are interested in seeing Odds versus GMs, but it would be nice to see how Komodo Dragon 2.6.1 does in a future event
maybe 2300 FIDE for Rooks odds in FRC Rapid, since we have seeing many many Knight Odds against GMs already.

GM's...gravitate towards 2300 as they get older and less active in serious competitive competition.

For these matches, I try to pick IMs and GMs who currently play at about the standard required to earn the title currently, at least at the Rapid time controls we use for these events. That means 2400 for IM, 2500 for GM. Although Ben has fallen about fifty elo from the 2500 level at classical chess, I would still bet on him in a Rapid match with a randomly chosen GM of 2500 FIDE (standard tc) rating, since he is so good at blitz. My own FIDE rating has dropped to just 2188 at age 74, but I note that GM Suba, with whom I shared the World Senior title in 2008 and who is the same age as I am, has dropped all the way to 2111 (he was around 2500 in 2008!). There's no denying that age hurts a player's practical playing strength, especially in the 70s and beyond, and it's also pretty clear that standards have risen, a 2500 is a stronger player now than a 2500 was 20 years ago, by at least 100 elo. This has been shown by computer analysis of game scores.

I Believe that Janis broke record of being the oldest to achieve a GM and until he died he was the the person to have the highest GM Elo, or is there another who held the highest GM elo being the oldest? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C4%81nis_Klov%C4%81ns

It could have been this person too. Arthur Dake (1910-2000) was the oldest competitive chess grandmaster. He was still playing in rated chess tournaments at the age of 89. Yuri Averbakh, born in 1922, is the oldest grandmaster in the world. Enrico Paoli (1908-2005) received an honory Grandmaster title at the age of 88. https://en.chessbase.com/post/an-outsta ... rthur-dake

I owe my World Senior Title (in 2008) and GM title in part to my win over Janis Klovans. I'm pretty sure than Korchnoi must have the record for strength at an advanced age, he was still actively competiting with a FIDE rating over 2500 at age 80, I don't know anyone else who can match that claim.

The more I think of it, the more I want to find out what would be the outcome if any different if GM Ben Finegold would have agreed to play the day after you offered him to play against Komodo Dragon2.6.1. giving him less time to prepare. That would be like fighting for the heavyweight boxing title and have the opportunity to spar with the champion several times before the actual match.

I don't think this is a big issue; Ben is pretty busy, and since he doesn't have the opening book or know what settings I'll use or even have the same net any training he does will be of a general nature, which he could do against another engine like SF or Lc0 if he didn't have Dragon. It's not likely that he'll be able to guess more than the first 3 or 4 moves by the engine.

How could GM Ben Finegold is expected to score better than GM Smerdon at Knight Odds who is rated higher and played with an inferior version of Komodo ?
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/3202305

[lkaufman]

How could GM Ben Finegold is expected to score better than GM Smerdon at Knight Odds who is rated higher and played with an inferior version of Komodo ?
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/3202305

What are you talking about? Smerdon scored 5 out of 6. Who expects Finegold to do better than that? I mean it's possible he might win every game, but surely no one is predicting that. If he scores 4 out of 6 that would match the last two GMs vs Dragon, percentage-wise. If Dragon can score 2.5 out of 6 that would be a new record percentage vs. GM at knight odds in Rapid.

[Chessqueen]

How could GM Ben Finegold is expected to score better than GM Smerdon at Knight Odds who is rated higher and played with an inferior version of Komodo ?
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/3202305

What are you talking about? Smerdon scored 5 out of 6. Who expects Finegold to do better than that? I mean it's possible he might win every game, but surely no one is predicting that. If he scores 4 out of 6 that would match the last two GMs vs Dragon, percentage-wise. If Dragon can score 2.5 out of 6 that would be a new record percentage vs. GM at knight odds in Rapid.

Well I just talked to some of GM Finegold students and they are saying that GM Finegold will score better than GM Smerdon, I told his students we will see about that tomorrow.

[lkaufman]

How could GM Ben Finegold is expected to score better than GM Smerdon at Knight Odds who is rated higher and played with an inferior version of Komodo ?
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/3202305

What are you talking about? Smerdon scored 5 out of 6. Who expects Finegold to do better than that? I mean it's possible he might win every game, but surely no one is predicting that. If he scores 4 out of 6 that would match the last two GMs vs Dragon, percentage-wise. If Dragon can score 2.5 out of 6 that would be a new record percentage vs. GM at knight odds in Rapid.

Well I just talked to some of GM Finegold students and they are saying that GM Finegold will score better than GM Smerdon, I told his students we will see about that tomorrow.

Did they clearly know that Smerdon won by 5 to 1 and that they were therefore predicting 5.5 or 6 out of 6, or were they just saying that without even knowing the original result? Some people express opinions on things without even knowing the relevant facts.