Odds match: Human vs engines. Suggestions needed.

[pepechuy]

Hi.

Next Tuesday 2022.03.22, I plan to play an odds match against engines on my laptop, using BanksiaGUI.
I will be playing a queen up from the initial position, with black. That is, remove the white queen.
rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1
I intend to play until I defeat each engine at least once. If I fail to win a game, I will retry (perhaps not immediately).
Time control: rapid, 15 minutes initial time plus 10 seconds increment, from move 1.
(I would prefer a standard time control, but I do not have that much time).
I do not have a fixed schedule. I will begin as early as I feel comfortable, and I might take a lunch break, or simply rest between games.

First, some info about my computer (sorry, I am not sure what is relevant, so I pasted almost everything).

OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Home
Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Manufacturer HP
System Model HP Notebook
System Type x64-based PC
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-5010U CPU @ 2.10GHz, 2100 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date Insyde F.1F, 2016-01-18
SMBIOS Version 2.8
Embedded Controller Version 96.45
BIOS Mode UEFI
BaseBoard Manufacturer HP
BaseBoard Product 80C1
BaseBoard Version 96.45
Platform Role Mobile
Secure Boot State Off
PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume2
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1566"
Time Zone Pacific Daylight Time
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 6.00 GB
Total Physical Memory 5.92 GB
Available Physical Memory 1.68 GB
Total Virtual Memory 8.18 GB
Available Virtual Memory 2.50 GB
Page File Space 2.27 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys
Kernel DMA Protection Off
Virtualization-based security Not enabled
Device Encryption Support Elevation Required to View
Hyper-V - VM Monitor Mode Extensions Yes
Hyper-V - Second Level Address Translation Extensions Yes
Hyper-V - Virtualization Enabled in Firmware No
Hyper-V - Data Execution Protection Yes

As for Banksia options, I will have all windows closed, except the board to play the game.
No arrows, or any other hint from the engines, I will be on my own.
I have not downloaded any tablebases, I doubt they fit in my hard drive.

Now, I plan to play against:
Crafty 25.3
Komodo bmi2 12
Lc0 openblas 0.27
Stockfish avx2 14

My first question for the community is... ¿are those the right versions to play against? I am particularly unsure about Lc0, I see also Lc0 opencl 0.23, I wonder if this one would be a better choice.

I plan to use all the default settings for each engine. My second question... ¿do you recommend any modification of the default settings?

Also, I would like to add a fifth engine. I prefer something essentially different from those four already listed (be it in the search, the evaluation, time management, or "style"). My third question... ¿which one(s) do you suggest?

Greetings.

[pepechuy]

Hi to all.

I will begin the match right now (instead of waiting until tomorrow, as I initially planned), against Crafty. I hope not to kill any anticipation feelings.
I changed one of the default settings: I turned ponder on (default: off).
I disabled the syzygy button, since I do not have the tablebases.
I will keep you posted.

Greetings.

[pepechuy]

Hi.

First game against Crafty:

[Event "banksia game"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2022.03.21"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Crafty-25.3"]
[Black "hm::Garcia Ruvalcaba, Jose de Jesus"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2600"]
[Time "15:33:02"]
[TimeControl "45/900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "resign"]

1. Nf3 {-11.06/23 21629 68746258} 1... Nf6 2. d4 {-11.00/24 34545 96874581} 2...
c5 3. c3 {-11.00/24 54309 120740235} 3... b6 4. dxc5 {-11.03/23 53294 157522109}
4... bxc5 0-1


Oops, it resigned after four moves. I think I will replay it, once I figure out how to make Crafty play till mate.
¿How do you disable resignations in Crafty within Banskia? (I did not find it in "Settings -> Engines -> Crafty").

Next game against Komodo, right ahead.

Greetings.

[lkaufman]

Hi.

Next Tuesday 2022.03.22, I plan to play an odds match against engines on my laptop, using BanksiaGUI.
I will be playing a queen up from the initial position, with black. That is, remove the white queen.
rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1
I intend to play until I defeat each engine at least once. If I fail to win a game, I will retry (perhaps not immediately).
Time control: rapid, 15 minutes initial time plus 10 seconds increment, from move 1.
(I would prefer a standard time control, but I do not have that much time).
I do not have a fixed schedule. I will begin as early as I feel comfortable, and I might take a lunch break, or simply rest between games.

First, some info about my computer (sorry, I am not sure what is relevant, so I pasted almost everything).

OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Home
Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Manufacturer HP
System Model HP Notebook
System Type x64-based PC
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-5010U CPU @ 2.10GHz, 2100 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date Insyde F.1F, 2016-01-18
SMBIOS Version 2.8
Embedded Controller Version 96.45
BIOS Mode UEFI
BaseBoard Manufacturer HP
BaseBoard Product 80C1
BaseBoard Version 96.45
Platform Role Mobile
Secure Boot State Off
PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume2
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1566"
Time Zone Pacific Daylight Time
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 6.00 GB
Total Physical Memory 5.92 GB
Available Physical Memory 1.68 GB
Total Virtual Memory 8.18 GB
Available Virtual Memory 2.50 GB
Page File Space 2.27 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys
Kernel DMA Protection Off
Virtualization-based security Not enabled
Device Encryption Support Elevation Required to View
Hyper-V - VM Monitor Mode Extensions Yes
Hyper-V - Second Level Address Translation Extensions Yes
Hyper-V - Virtualization Enabled in Firmware No
Hyper-V - Data Execution Protection Yes

As for Banksia options, I will have all windows closed, except the board to play the game.
No arrows, or any other hint from the engines, I will be on my own.
I have not downloaded any tablebases, I doubt they fit in my hard drive.

Now, I plan to play against:
Crafty 25.3
Komodo bmi2 12
Lc0 openblas 0.27
Stockfish avx2 14

My first question for the community is... ¿are those the right versions to play against? I am particularly unsure about Lc0, I see also Lc0 opencl 0.23, I wonder if this one would be a better choice.

I plan to use all the default settings for each engine. My second question... ¿do you recommend any modification of the default settings?

Also, I would like to add a fifth engine. I prefer something essentially different from those four already listed (be it in the search, the evaluation, time management, or "style"). My third question... ¿which one(s) do you suggest?

Greetings.

Much more important than info about the computer is information about the human playing the games. What is your rating (either FIDE, USCF, Chess.com, lichess, ICC etc.)? In general, most engines can't play reasonably when down a full queen, but some are more hopeless at it than others. I estimate it only takes about a 1300 rating or so to be favored at queen odds even against Komodo Dragon in Rapid. You can improve Komodo's chances a bit by setting Contempt to a high value, perhaps the maximum value of 250. If you are a reasonably strong player, somewhere close to 2000 FIDE, then Rook odds is the proper handicap. Around 1700 or so probably two knights (or queen for knight) is appropriate.

[pepechuy]

Hi to all.

Here it is, the game against Komodo.

[Event "banksia game"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2022.03.21"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 12.1.1 64-bit"]
[Black "hm::Garcia Ruvalcaba, Jose de Jesus"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "3500"]
[Time "16:09:21"]
[TimeControl "0/900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "mate"]

1. Nf3 {-10.58/19 35537 29587069} 1... Nf6 2. d4 {-10.91/20 77949 68683386} 2...
c5 3. dxc5 {-13.43/18 67412 59202775} 3... e6 4. a3 {-13.19/18 47276 39779923}
4... Bxc5 5. e3 {-15.10/18 76735 74807342} 5... Nc6 6. b4 {-13.73/17 38281
33455326} 6... Bb6 7. Nbd2 {-14.23/17 64029 60553868} 7... d5 8. Bb2 {-14.78/16
41641 38231954} 8... Bd7 9. Bd3 {-13.30/16 44893 32788690} 9... Rc8 10. O-O
{-16.02/15 29967 27816616} 10... O-O 11. c4 {-14.07/15 17876 24276505} 11...
dxc4 12. Nxc4 {-16.00/14 25804 24162004} 12... Qe7 13. Nxb6 {-12.65/13 10157
9944954} 13... axb6 14. h3 {-13.58/17 89219 87061706} 14... Rfd8 15. Rfd1
{-13.86/17 90017 87985192} 15... Be8 16. Rd2 {-21.89/16 67715 66796822} 16... e5
17. e4 {-14.13/17 10 68779814} 17... Nd4 18. Bxd4 {-25.30/14 14963 27611725}
18... exd4 19. e5 {-20.98/16 41433 50904922} 19... Nd7 20. Re1 {-23.18/14 18366
20223372} 20... Nf8 21. Nxd4 {-21.73/14 14894 22090139} 21... Ne6 22. Nxe6
{-26.72/14 11753 36108725} 22... fxe6 23. g3 {M-7/17 50490 111844718} 23... Bg6
24. Red1 {M-8/15 12561 29424114} 24... Bxd3 25. Rxd3 {M-6/15 10797 17891875}
25... Qc7 26. Rd6 {M-6/18 17409 30085969} 26... Rxd6 27. exd6 {M-4/20 14954
40818705} 27... Qc2 28. Re1 {M-3/23 10 71175808} 28... Kf7 29. Ra1 {M-4/19 45052
80418860} 29... Rd8 30. a4 {M-5/19 103928 195633219} 30... Rxd6 31. a5 {M-3/16
4179 15642726} 31... Rd1+ 32. Rxd1 {M-1/20 10 62940366} 32... Qxd1+ 33. Kh2
{M-16/18 10136 23069788} 33... Qf1 34. f3 {M-7/16 1025 2028607} 34... Qf2+ 35.
Kh1 {M-9/22 10 3684804} 35... Qxg3 36. a6 {M-5/18 1504 2903088} 36... bxa6 37.
f4 {M-6/20 1098 2231381} 37... a5 38. bxa5 {M-4/26 1306 3176869} 38... bxa5 39.
h4 {M-4/48 10 4531452} 39... a4 40. f5 {M-4/99 10 1563896} 40... a3 41. fxe6+
{M-2/99 74 36420} 41... Ke8 42. h5 {M-2/99 50 10504} 42... a2 43. h6 {M-1/99 10
394} 43... a1=Q# 0-1


Most likely, I will continue tomorrow. If I get the chance, I will try to play another game today.

Greetings.

[Chessqueen]

Hi.

First game against Crafty:

[pgn][Event "banksia game"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2022.03.21"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Crafty-25.3"]
[Black "hm::Garcia Ruvalcaba, Jose de Jesus"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2600"]
[Time "15:33:02"]
[TimeControl "45/900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "resign"]

1. Nf3 {-11.06/23 21629 68746258} 1... Nf6 2. d4 {-11.00/24 34545 96874581} 2...
c5 3. c3 {-11.00/24 54309 120740235} 3... b6 4. dxc5 {-11.03/23 53294 157522109}
4... bxc5 0-1


Oops, it resigned after four moves. I think I will replay it, once I figure out how to make Crafty play till mate.
¿How do you disable resignations in Crafty within Banskia? (I did not find it in "Settings -> Engines -> Crafty").

Next game against Komodo, right ahead.

Greetings.[/pgn]

[Chessqueen]

Hi to all.

Here it is, the game against Komodo.

[pgn][Event "banksia game"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2022.03.21"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 12.1.1 64-bit"]
[Black "hm::Garcia Ruvalcaba, Jose de Jesus"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "3500"]
[Time "16:09:21"]
[TimeControl "0/900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "mate"]

1. Nf3 {-10.58/19 35537 29587069} 1... Nf6 2. d4 {-10.91/20 77949 68683386} 2...
c5 3. dxc5 {-13.43/18 67412 59202775} 3... e6 4. a3 {-13.19/18 47276 39779923}
4... Bxc5 5. e3 {-15.10/18 76735 74807342} 5... Nc6 6. b4 {-13.73/17 38281
33455326} 6... Bb6 7. Nbd2 {-14.23/17 64029 60553868} 7... d5 8. Bb2 {-14.78/16
41641 38231954} 8... Bd7 9. Bd3 {-13.30/16 44893 32788690} 9... Rc8 10. O-O
{-16.02/15 29967 27816616} 10... O-O 11. c4 {-14.07/15 17876 24276505} 11...
dxc4 12. Nxc4 {-16.00/14 25804 24162004} 12... Qe7 13. Nxb6 {-12.65/13 10157
9944954} 13... axb6 14. h3 {-13.58/17 89219 87061706} 14... Rfd8 15. Rfd1
{-13.86/17 90017 87985192} 15... Be8 16. Rd2 {-21.89/16 67715 66796822} 16... e5
17. e4 {-14.13/17 10 68779814} 17... Nd4 18. Bxd4 {-25.30/14 14963 27611725}
18... exd4 19. e5 {-20.98/16 41433 50904922} 19... Nd7 20. Re1 {-23.18/14 18366
20223372} 20... Nf8 21. Nxd4 {-21.73/14 14894 22090139} 21... Ne6 22. Nxe6
{-26.72/14 11753 36108725} 22... fxe6 23. g3 {M-7/17 50490 111844718} 23... Bg6
24. Red1 {M-8/15 12561 29424114} 24... Bxd3 25. Rxd3 {M-6/15 10797 17891875}
25... Qc7 26. Rd6 {M-6/18 17409 30085969} 26... Rxd6 27. exd6 {M-4/20 14954
40818705} 27... Qc2 28. Re1 {M-3/23 10 71175808} 28... Kf7 29. Ra1 {M-4/19 45052
80418860} 29... Rd8 30. a4 {M-5/19 103928 195633219} 30... Rxd6 31. a5 {M-3/16
4179 15642726} 31... Rd1+ 32. Rxd1 {M-1/20 10 62940366} 32... Qxd1+ 33. Kh2
{M-16/18 10136 23069788} 33... Qf1 34. f3 {M-7/16 1025 2028607} 34... Qf2+ 35.
Kh1 {M-9/22 10 3684804} 35... Qxg3 36. a6 {M-5/18 1504 2903088} 36... bxa6 37.
f4 {M-6/20 1098 2231381} 37... a5 38. bxa5 {M-4/26 1306 3176869} 38... bxa5 39.
h4 {M-4/48 10 4531452} 39... a4 40. f5 {M-4/99 10 1563896} 40... a3 41. fxe6+
{M-2/99 74 36420} 41... Ke8 42. h5 {M-2/99 50 10504} 42... a2 43. h6 {M-1/99 10
394} 43... a1=Q# 0-1


Most likely, I will continue tomorrow. If I get the chance, I will try to play another game today.

Greetings.[/pgn]

[Chessqueen]

[quote=pepechuy post_id=923197 time=1647904475 user_id=13289]
Hi to all.

Here it is, the game against Komodo.


All you have to do is place this in front of [Event "banksia game"] and we can all replay the game here . Next game try with a Rook Odds.
[pgn][/pgn]

[pepechuy]

Hi.

Next Tuesday 2022.03.22, I plan to play an odds match against engines on my laptop, using BanksiaGUI.
I will be playing a queen up from the initial position, with black. That is, remove the white queen.
rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1
I intend to play until I defeat each engine at least once. If I fail to win a game, I will retry (perhaps not immediately).
Time control: rapid, 15 minutes initial time plus 10 seconds increment, from move 1.
(I would prefer a standard time control, but I do not have that much time).
I do not have a fixed schedule. I will begin as early as I feel comfortable, and I might take a lunch break, or simply rest between games.

First, some info about my computer (sorry, I am not sure what is relevant, so I pasted almost everything).

OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Home
Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Manufacturer HP
System Model HP Notebook
System Type x64-based PC
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-5010U CPU @ 2.10GHz, 2100 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date Insyde F.1F, 2016-01-18
SMBIOS Version 2.8
Embedded Controller Version 96.45
BIOS Mode UEFI
BaseBoard Manufacturer HP
BaseBoard Product 80C1
BaseBoard Version 96.45
Platform Role Mobile
Secure Boot State Off
PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume2
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1566"
Time Zone Pacific Daylight Time
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 6.00 GB
Total Physical Memory 5.92 GB
Available Physical Memory 1.68 GB
Total Virtual Memory 8.18 GB
Available Virtual Memory 2.50 GB
Page File Space 2.27 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys
Kernel DMA Protection Off
Virtualization-based security Not enabled
Device Encryption Support Elevation Required to View
Hyper-V - VM Monitor Mode Extensions Yes
Hyper-V - Second Level Address Translation Extensions Yes
Hyper-V - Virtualization Enabled in Firmware No
Hyper-V - Data Execution Protection Yes

As for Banksia options, I will have all windows closed, except the board to play the game.
No arrows, or any other hint from the engines, I will be on my own.
I have not downloaded any tablebases, I doubt they fit in my hard drive.

Now, I plan to play against:
Crafty 25.3
Komodo bmi2 12
Lc0 openblas 0.27
Stockfish avx2 14

My first question for the community is... ¿are those the right versions to play against? I am particularly unsure about Lc0, I see also Lc0 opencl 0.23, I wonder if this one would be a better choice.

I plan to use all the default settings for each engine. My second question... ¿do you recommend any modification of the default settings?

Also, I would like to add a fifth engine. I prefer something essentially different from those four already listed (be it in the search, the evaluation, time management, or "style"). My third question... ¿which one(s) do you suggest?

Greetings.

Much more important than info about the computer is information about the human playing the games. What is your rating (either FIDE, USCF, Chess.com, lichess, ICC etc.)? In general, most engines can't play reasonably when down a full queen, but some are more hopeless at it than others. I estimate it only takes about a 1300 rating or so to be favored at queen odds even against Komodo Dragon in Rapid. You can improve Komodo's chances a bit by setting Contempt to a high value, perhaps the maximum value of 250. If you are a reasonably strong player, somewhere close to 2000 FIDE, then Rook odds is the proper handicap. Around 1700 or so probably two knights (or queen for knight) is appropriate.

Hi.

I do not have a FIDE rating (I have played some rated games, but not enough in a 26-month span to get a rating). My profile:
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/5133785

My profile at chess.com:
https://www.chess.com/member/peepchuy
(rapid 1754, bullet 990, blitz 1727, live960 1877).

My profile at lichess:
https://lichess.org/@/peepchuy
(bullet 1500?, chess960 1171?)

I am aware that I am probably a little too strong to take queen odds. But I did not want to skip them, after this I plan to play with rook odds.
I also think that at faster time controls, there is big chance of me simply dropping material (and engines never forgive that), that is why I am playing rapid.

I think I will replay the Komodo game, with contempt 250 as you suggest. ¿Do you recommend increasing the contempt for the other engines as well? (I mean, for these handicap games).

Greetings.

[pepechuy]

Hi to all.

Here it is, the game against Komodo.


I believe that you use another engine, since you can NOT be better than GM Nakamura, MVL or Carlsen, and they all loose to Komodo Dragon with any pawn odds. All you have to do is place this in front of [Event "banksia game"] and we can all replay the game here . [pgn][/pgn]

Hi.

Thanks. I will do that for the next games I share (I mean, the pgn thing).
I was playing with queen odds. I have no chance with only pawn odds.
I
Greetings.