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Re: When will the CRRL start testing on chess324?

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Chessqueen wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:22 am
CornfedForever wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:59 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:45 pm
CornfedForever wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:35 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:13 am When will the CRRL start testing on chess324?
Surely this is a joke question??
You probably mean it, but real chess is where it's at...no one plays this stuff.
Back in 2008 before FIDE recognized Chess960 I asked the same question here and received several bad response like this one and look where chess960 is now, everybody is testing it and playing it.
No, 'everybody' is not playing it. Almost no one really...some exhibitions, but 'pro players' will do anything chess wise for money. I don't see any local or national 960 tourneys...do you? Classical is and will continue to be the main form of chess. People who like to throw engines at one another...well, they have their special problems with real chess.
Now FDE is making it popular again, FIDE has announced a 2022 Fischer Random World Chess Championship, with $400,000 in prizes, with qualifying events to be held on chess.com :roll:
Did Somebody mentioned that Chess960 is Dead ? https://chessbase.in/news/FIDE-World-Fi ... nouncement
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Re: When will the CRRL start testing on chess324?

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CornfedForever wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:59 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:45 pm
CornfedForever wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:35 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:13 am When will the CRRL start testing on chess324?
Surely this is a joke question??
You probably mean it, but real chess is where it's at...no one plays this stuff.
Back in 2008 before FIDE recognized Chess960 I asked the same question here and received several bad response like this one and look where chess960 is now, everybody is testing it and playing it.
No, 'everybody' is not playing it. Almost no one really...some exhibitions, but 'pro players' will do anything chess wise for money. I don't see any local or national 960 tourneys...do you? Classical is and will continue to be the main form of chess. People who like to throw engines at one another...well, they have their special problems with real chess.
There are not many national 960 tourneys but there were few chess 960 tourneys in israel(they were not for rating and they are clearly less than 1% of all chess tournaments in israel)

Here is the last chess960 tourney in israel at time control of 15+5 when 36 players competed for first prize of 1000 shekels
date of the tournament was 25.7.2022(link in hebrew so you may not understand it but the first 2 places were of players with the fide master title and the prize was not enough to convince stronger players to play than fide master to play)

https://www.chess.org.il/Tournaments/To ... x?Id=34158

Note that I do not know about a single chess960 tournament with long time control in israel.
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Re: Chess324

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Chess324 now being used in CCC tournament! https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship. Dragon currently in first place (8 player multiple round robin), but it's early. Plenty of decisive games already, as hoped, though none yet between engines in the top half.
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Re: Chess324

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lkaufman wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:57 pm Chess324 now being used in CCC tournament! https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship. Dragon currently in first place (8 player multiple round robin), but it's early. Plenty of decisive games already, as hoped, though none yet between engines in the top half.
It will be either Stockfish or Dragon the winner as usual, but I only see 5 engines competing, Stockfish, Dragon LCO, Berserk and Koivisto :roll:
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Re: Chess324

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Chessqueen wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:54 am
lkaufman wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:57 pm Chess324 now being used in CCC tournament! https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship. Dragon currently in first place (8 player multiple round robin), but it's early. Plenty of decisive games already, as hoped, though none yet between engines in the top half.
It will be either Stockfish or Dragon the winner as usual, but I only see 5 engines competing, Stockfish, Dragon LCO, Berserk and Koivisto :roll:
There are eight engines competing, you are probably just not scrolling down to the bottom of the list. So far about 75% draws, not too bad for super hardware and top eight engines.
Komodo rules!
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Re: Chess324

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lkaufman wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:19 am
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:54 am
lkaufman wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:57 pm Chess324 now being used in CCC tournament! https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship. Dragon currently in first place (8 player multiple round robin), but it's early. Plenty of decisive games already, as hoped, though none yet between engines in the top half.
It will be either Stockfish or Dragon the winner as usual, but I only see 5 engines competing, Stockfish, Dragon LCO, Berserk and Koivisto :roll:
There are eight engines competing, you are probably just not scrolling down to the bottom of the list. So far about 75% draws, not too bad for super hardware and top eight engines.
But the majority of the wins are with White , since White has the initial first move :roll: https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship
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Re: Chess324

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Chessqueen wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:56 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:19 am
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:54 am
lkaufman wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:57 pm Chess324 now being used in CCC tournament! https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship. Dragon currently in first place (8 player multiple round robin), but it's early. Plenty of decisive games already, as hoped, though none yet between engines in the top half.
It will be either Stockfish or Dragon the winner as usual, but I only see 5 engines competing, Stockfish, Dragon LCO, Berserk and Koivisto :roll:
There are eight engines competing, you are probably just not scrolling down to the bottom of the list. So far about 75% draws, not too bad for super hardware and top eight engines.
But the majority of the wins are with White , since White has the initial first move :roll: https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship
Why the word "But"? This is normal and exactly as intended, same as with UHO openings in normal chess. Some of the positions are close to equal and therefore likely to end in draws, some are fairly near the win/draw line and therefore nearly as likely to be decisive as drawn. Naturally most of the positions near the win/draw line are favorable for the first player, White. Why is that a problem?
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Re: Chess324

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lkaufman wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:12 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:56 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:19 am
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:54 am
lkaufman wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:57 pm Chess324 now being used in CCC tournament! https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship. Dragon currently in first place (8 player multiple round robin), but it's early. Plenty of decisive games already, as hoped, though none yet between engines in the top half.
It will be either Stockfish or Dragon the winner as usual, but I only see 5 engines competing, Stockfish, Dragon LCO, Berserk and Koivisto :roll:
There are eight engines competing, you are probably just not scrolling down to the bottom of the list. So far about 75% draws, not too bad for super hardware and top eight engines.
But the majority of the wins are with White , since White has the initial first move :roll: https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship
Why the word "But"? This is normal and exactly as intended, same as with UHO openings in normal chess. Some of the positions are close to equal and therefore likely to end in draws, some are fairly near the win/draw line and therefore nearly as likely to be decisive as drawn. Naturally most of the positions near the win/draw line are favorable for the first player, White. Why is that a problem?
If the main intention of chess324 is to make it better than Chess960, you have accomplished it.
Do NOT worry and be happy, we all live a short life :roll:
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Re: Chess324

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Chessqueen wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:59 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:12 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:56 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:19 am
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:54 am
lkaufman wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:57 pm Chess324 now being used in CCC tournament! https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship. Dragon currently in first place (8 player multiple round robin), but it's early. Plenty of decisive games already, as hoped, though none yet between engines in the top half.
It will be either Stockfish or Dragon the winner as usual, but I only see 5 engines competing, Stockfish, Dragon LCO, Berserk and Koivisto :roll:
There are eight engines competing, you are probably just not scrolling down to the bottom of the list. So far about 75% draws, not too bad for super hardware and top eight engines.
But the majority of the wins are with White , since White has the initial first move :roll: https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship
Why the word "But"? This is normal and exactly as intended, same as with UHO openings in normal chess. Some of the positions are close to equal and therefore likely to end in draws, some are fairly near the win/draw line and therefore nearly as likely to be decisive as drawn. Naturally most of the positions near the win/draw line are favorable for the first player, White. Why is that a problem?
If the main intention of chess324 is to make it better than Chess960, you have accomplished it.
It is certainly less drawish than 960 without giving either player a won position initially except for a very few cases. But it does put much more emphasis on the need to play two game matches from each position, as some of them are quite favorable for one side. It is the only variant that I know of which solves both the preparation and draw problems of high-level chess with no rule changes from normal chess, only the start positions.
Komodo rules!
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Re: Chess324

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lkaufman wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 6:07 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:59 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:12 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:56 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:19 am
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:54 am
lkaufman wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:57 pm Chess324 now being used in CCC tournament! https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship. Dragon currently in first place (8 player multiple round robin), but it's early. Plenty of decisive games already, as hoped, though none yet between engines in the top half.
It will be either Stockfish or Dragon the winner as usual, but I only see 5 engines competing, Stockfish, Dragon LCO, Berserk and Koivisto :roll:
There are eight engines competing, you are probably just not scrolling down to the bottom of the list. So far about 75% draws, not too bad for super hardware and top eight engines.
But the majority of the wins are with White , since White has the initial first move :roll: https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship
Why the word "But"? This is normal and exactly as intended, same as with UHO openings in normal chess. Some of the positions are close to equal and therefore likely to end in draws, some are fairly near the win/draw line and therefore nearly as likely to be decisive as drawn. Naturally most of the positions near the win/draw line are favorable for the first player, White. Why is that a problem?
If the main intention of chess324 is to make it better than Chess960, you have accomplished it.
It is certainly less drawish than 960 without giving either player a won position initially except for a very few cases. But it does put much more emphasis on the need to play two game matches from each position, as some of them are quite favorable for one side. It is the only variant that I know of which solves both the preparation and draw problems of high-level chess with no rule changes from normal chess, only the start positions.
This position that is being played currently is -1.05 for Black but I believe that Dragon can draw
https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship

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[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.09.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Koivisto_8.0-x64-windows-avx2"]
[Black "Dragon-2.6.1-64bit-avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "2000"][Time "11:30:21"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNNQKBBR w - - 7 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "0"][/pgn]
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