M ANSARI wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:57 am
With regards to the WCC, Carlsen did not withdraw from the tournament, he simply stated that he would not defend his WCC title ... huge difference. I think he just got tired of all the stuff that has to happen and the severe opening preparation you need to do before a WCC championship. It is probably hard to motivate yourself over and over again and suffer the months stuck in daily preparation before such an event ... with all the hoopla that comes with it. Withdrawing from the last tournament was completely different and I think very few people know the full details of why he did that.
As for the Meltwater tournament ... by far the biggest standout was Ivanchuck! What a genius !!! Although he had a one move blunder in time trouble in a totally winning position against Pragg... he outplayed and crushed them all His incredible ability to recount move by move with full coherent analysis without having a board around is really amazing. Compare his post game analysis to what Hans had to offer. No ... "the chess speaks for itself" ... or "no analysis needed here" ... just blow by blow recap of how his brain was churning out the position. Really a treat to watch!
Here is a previous analysis from him
You also have to give credit to young talented chess genius GM Praggnanandhaa he started Meltwater Champions Chess Tour Julius Baer Generation Cup with a win over former World Rapid champion, Vasyl Ivanchuk. Then he beat FIDE World Cup 2021 Jan-Krzysztof Duda in hard-fought prolonged battle.
M ANSARI wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:57 am
As for the Meltwater tournament ... by far the biggest standout was Ivanchuck! What a genius !!! Although he had a one move blunder in time trouble in a totally winning position against Pragg... he outplayed and crushed them all His incredible ability to recount move by move with full coherent analysis without having a board around is really amazing. Compare his post game analysis to what Hans had to offer. No ... "the chess speaks for itself" ... or "no analysis needed here" ... just blow by blow recap of how his brain was churning out the position. Really a treat to watch!
Here is a previous analysis from him
Agreed, Ivanchuk was the stand out. Time pressure can knock anyone off their game.
"Good decisions come from experience, and experience comes from bad decisions."
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So after analyzing 300-400 games, his conclusion is that there is no cheating.
Without checking his words, I'd say it's extremely unlikely that that is Regan's conclusion. His conclusion should be, and probably is, that he can find no statistical evidence of cheating from the moves alone.
There is a huge difference... Do I need to explain further?
As for the Meltwater tournament ... by far the biggest standout was Ivanchuck!
We are maybe, what...15% of the way through the tournament? I think you mean 'so far' or 'on day one'.
I would....'by far'... like for you to be right in the end; and he has had rather a lot of experience in those post game pressers compared with some others. Some GM said a week or so ago that he (Chucky) could be barely intelligible in them. But then, perhaps that too might be the mark of genius (?). Sometimes they leave you with an "Ah!"...and other times simply scratching your head.
I am about 60 pages from finishing a book (NOW) by a physicist. He has been explaining some things in a way that is more comprehensible than any other similar book I have read (or tried to read!) to date. Some people have gifts.
Of course this is only the first day, but Ivanchuck is probably one of the strongest GM's to never win a WCC. The way he totally outplayed all these new Young Guns that are much more computer aware and database aware is really incredible. He has often made Kasparov, Kramnik and even Carlsen ... look ordinary. But what really is relevant in this thread is his ability to go through different lines of thought that he went through during the game, with incredible clarity. Point out variation after variation ... why that variation seemed good, and why he discarded it and what he chose instead. That is how a 2700+ GM thinks! When Hans won his game against MC and after MC withdrew ... I really thought MC was being salty and was pissed off he lost to someone not known. But then the stuff surfaced about his online cheating ... that was not good ... so I paid attention to his next game against Firouzja. In the post game analysis I was expecting some interesting insights into what could possibly be a top 3 super GM. Instead the analysis was by some 2400 IM who had no clue what was going on and somehow "stumbled" on good moves due to "amazing intuition". Statements like "I don't have to give variations here" (in an absolutely explosive tactical melee) and "in what universe is this not totally winning" (in a position where GM Nakamura thought was totally lost after 10 seconds thought and -4 on engine) ... "half the board is completely cutoff" (when Firouzja had setup some violent counterplay) .... Yeah right !!!! It is possible that Hans has some weird personality disorder that can explain that and if so then I take back everything ... but OMG that was just so hard to take in!
M ANSARI wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:57 am
With regards to the WCC, Carlsen did not withdraw from the tournament, he simply stated that he would not defend his WCC title ... huge difference. I think he just got tired of all the stuff that has to happen and the severe opening preparation you need to do before a WCC championship. It is probably hard to motivate yourself over and over again and suffer the months stuck in daily preparation before such an event ... with all the hoopla that comes with it. Withdrawing from the last tournament was completely different and I think very few people know the full details of why he did that.
As for the Meltwater tournament ... by far the biggest standout was Ivanchuck! What a genius !!! Although he had a one move blunder in time trouble in a totally winning position against Pragg... he outplayed and crushed them all His incredible ability to recount move by move with full coherent analysis without having a board around is really amazing. Compare his post game analysis to what Hans had to offer. No ... "the chess speaks for itself" ... or "no analysis needed here" ... just blow by blow recap of how his brain was churning out the position. Really a treat to watch!
Here is a previous analysis from him
You also have to give credit to young talented chess genius GM Praggnanandhaa he started Meltwater Champions Chess Tour Julius Baer Generation Cup with a win over former World Rapid champion, Vasyl Ivanchuk. Then he beat FIDE World Cup 2021 Jan-Krzysztof Duda in hard-fought prolonged battle.
Ummm did you watch the game against Ivanchuck? He was totally busted until the time scramble ... obviously these young kids are very good at mouse scrambles and Ivanchuck is not. GM Pragg is an amazing talent no doubt about it, but he was totally outplayed by Ivanchuck and he was the first to admit it.
Krzysztof Grzelak wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:55 pm
Sorry to ask if Niemann's account has been banned from chess.com
I actually asked this on a thread about 'Verified' accounts on chess.com yesterday.
I asked because...I'm still seeing his current 'HansonTwitch' account...not noted as 'closed' AND with the big blue check. I just thought it ironic on the 2nd count alone. I mean, one of the main ideas behind paying to get 'verified' has to do with vetting members for fair play and 'assuring' someone they are playing against someone who does not cheat.
Of course, word is the whole idea was a fiasco and they are doing away with 'Verified'.
M ANSARI wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:15 pm
Instead the analysis was by some 2400 IM who had no clue what was going on and somehow "stumbled" on good moves due to "amazing intuition". Statements like "I don't have to give variations here" (in an absolutely explosive tactical melee) and "in what universe is this not totally winning" (in a position where GM Nakamura thought was totally lost after 10 seconds thought and -4 on engine) ... "half the board is completely cutoff" (when Firouzja had setup some violent counterplay) .... Yeah right !!!! It is possible that Hans has some weird personality disorder that can explain that and if so then I take back everything ... but OMG that was just so hard to take in!
Perhaps I woke up on the 'disagreeable' side of the bed this morning...but...
Think about that position where he says "half the board is completely cutoff". I remember seeing the interview and thought: Yup, exactly what they would say in the books. Like Tal (check Attack with Tal for similar examples) he sort of 'floods the zone' with moves like Qg3 and has an immediate threat....while too much of Blacks army (70%+ )is on the wrong side of the board. Yes, it is intuitive...and falls directly in line with Aagaards (compliment) that he is the most amazingly intuitive player he has ever dealt with.
You seem (even in your 'lauding of Chucky') to be trying a bit too hard to condemn Hans.
I think Chucky 'handled the mouse' just fine and I believe is doing quite well in the Chess.com 'Global Championship Knockout'. He has a time trouble disease that all too often manifests itself in any time control. There are even some really funny 'youtube videos' highlighting this.
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M ANSARI wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:15 pm
Of course this is only the first day, but Ivanchuck is probably one of the strongest GM's to never win a WCC. The way he totally outplayed all these new Young Guns that are much more computer aware and database aware is really incredible. He has often made Kasparov, Kramnik and even Carlsen ... look ordinary. But what really is relevant in this thread is his ability to go through different lines of thought that he went through during the game, with incredible clarity. Point out variation after variation ... why that variation seemed good, and why he discarded it and what he chose instead. That is how a 2700+ GM thinks! When Hans won his game against MC and after MC withdrew ... I really thought MC was being salty and was pissed off he lost to someone not known. But then the stuff surfaced about his online cheating ... that was not good ... so I paid attention to his next game against Firouzja. In the post game analysis I was expecting some interesting insights into what could possibly be a top 3 super GM. Instead the analysis was by some 2400 IM who had no clue what was going on and somehow "stumbled" on good moves due to "amazing intuition". Statements like "I don't have to give variations here" (in an absolutely explosive tactical melee) and "in what universe is this not totally winning" (in a position where GM Nakamura thought was totally lost after 10 seconds thought and -4 on engine) ... "half the board is completely cutoff" (when Firouzja had setup some violent counterplay) .... Yeah right !!!! It is possible that Hans has some weird personality disorder that can explain that and if so then I take back everything ... but OMG that was just so hard to take in!
You keep saying this, but.
In order to distinguish between a 2400 IM and a 2700 GM from some post game commenting requires chess knowledge and experience of a 2700 plus player. What is your rating?
