Maybe he was offended by the post game interview, remarks made by Niemann, which was general and not personally directed at him.
Towards the end of that game, Carlsen took a long time to resign, had been visibly upset and when he resigned, he shook hands and left. Wait, why did he have to shake hands when he suspects the opponent of cheating. Doesn't make sense right?
Handshake means Sportsmanship? No, that doesn't apply to him in the light of withdrawal from the tournament and forfeit of game in move 1 in subsequent tournament!
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What do you mean it doesn't matter that he cheated?? Why does everyone seem to think it is not a big deal to cheat ???!!!!! What in the world is the matter with your guys ???? If cheaters can get away with cheating then you can pretty much say goodbye to competitive chess! MC is the WCC and is probably the strongest player to ever play the game of chess .... so if he is the one making a point then obviously that means a lot more than if someone else does it. He earned that extra leverage because ... well maybe it is because he has been the WCC for over 10 years and has the highest rating of any human chess player in history !!! You might still think that he should be treated like any other chess player with a complaint and should put up and shut up ... but many don't share that opinion and think he can actually force changes that can improve competitive chess for future generations by putting a spotlight on cheating in chess and getting action to stamp it out.Eduard wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:38 pm It doesn't even matter if Niemann cheated. If Carlsen had won everything would have been OK. Everything stands and falls with the performance of Carlsen. That can't be right. What would have happened if Carlsen wasn't world champion? Would he only be No. 12 in the rankings? Could he behave like that without being disqualified himself? Just because he's the world champion, does he get to do whatever he wants?
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From the other day:
"Good decisions come from experience, and experience comes from bad decisions."
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It is normal for humans to get mad when they lose in chess, Carlsen and GM Hans are not the only one, I usually do NOT play for 9 months to 2 years when I lose, and something similar to GM Hans come out of my mouth, SCREAMING at loud, how is he so smart, and my brain usually say to me you are better but keep blundering like an idiotswami wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:03 pm Maybe he was offended by the post game interview, remarks made by Niemann, which was general and not personally directed at him.
Towards the end of that game, Carlsen took a long time to resign, had been visibly upset and when he resigned, he shook hands and left. Wait, why did he have to shake hands when he suspects the opponent of cheating. Doesn't make sense right?
Handshake means Sportsmanship? No, that doesn't apply to him in the light of withdrawal from the tournament and forfeit of game in move 1 in subsequent tournament!

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I didn't want to say that it doesn't matter in the chess world. It doesn't matter in terms of Carlsen's behavior. He can't appear like that in public unless he has evidence to show. If every Super GM behaves like this after a loss against a nobody, then we don't need any more new players because they have to be afraid of being made scapegoats by the clan of the big ones, like by Carlsen! It bothers me anyway that always and everywhere only the stars play and collect the prize money! For years, only the top ten have played together at the tournaments, others have no chance to be there. That's why I don't watch tournaments anymore. The same stars always play and want to be with each other.M ANSARI wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:09 pmWhat do you mean it doesn't matter that he cheated?? Why does everyone seem to think it is not a big deal to cheat ???!!!!! What in the world is the matter with your guys ???? If cheaters can get away with cheating then you can pretty much say goodbye to competitive chess! MC is the WCC and is probably the strongest player to ever play the game of chess .... so if he is the one making a point then obviously that means a lot more than if someone else does it. He earned that extra leverage because ... well maybe it is because he has been the WCC for over 10 years and has the highest rating of any human chess player in history !!! You might still think that he should be treated like any other chess player with a complaint and should put up and shut up ... but many don't share that opinion and think he can actually force changes that can improve competitive chess for future generations by putting a spotlight on cheating in chess and getting action to stamp it out.Eduard wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:38 pm It doesn't even matter if Niemann cheated. If Carlsen had won everything would have been OK. Everything stands and falls with the performance of Carlsen. That can't be right. What would have happened if Carlsen wasn't world champion? Would he only be No. 12 in the rankings? Could he behave like that without being disqualified himself? Just because he's the world champion, does he get to do whatever he wants?
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The question is, why did Magnus play weak. He knew Niemann is a cheater, and my personal opinion is: Who once cheated will do it again. This thoughts can distract you on this level, so it doesn't matter if Niemann actually cheated in this particular game. Opponents of Niemann will always have this kind of thoughts in their mind during a game. I guess Magnus just was not able to handle this.
My opinion is: Ban cheaters. For their lifetime. They lost the right to play in a serious competition..
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann
I already wrote that. If someone thinks their opponent is a cheater, they will play weak. This negative belief alone works negative miracles! I also play online and if I just think my opponent is cheating then I'm playing badly - my opponent doesn't have to be cheating.Alexander Schmidt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:33 pmThe question is, why did Magnus play weak. He knew Niemann is a cheater, and my personal opinion is: Who once cheated will do it again. This thoughts can distract you on this level, so it doesn't matter if Niemann actually cheated in this particular game. Opponents of Niemann will always have this kind of thoughts in their mind during a game. I guess Magnus just was not able to handle this.
My opinion is: Ban cheaters. For their lifetime. They lost the right to play in a serious competition..
Carlsen should question himself why he played badly. I think he played badly because he believed (even before the game) that Niemann would cheat. If he believes that without being able to prove it (!) then he shouldn't have played at the tournament. But showing such a circus in public is really bad form.
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In which serious tournament did Niemann cheat?evidence pleaseAlexander Schmidt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:33 pm My opinion is: Ban cheaters. For their lifetime. They lost the right to play in a serious competition..
Players with serious problems like MC should be banned for their unsportsmanlike behavior for some games or tournaments.
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann
Nobody has ever talked about any specific move of Niemmen that is typical of computer play in any of his games in Sinqfield, or St.Louis or Julius Baer - current one that he is playing in. We know engines make numerous odd/atypical moves. No one has come forward to post any position or talked about it till date. It's always topics outside of board in relation to casting suspicion. Neither here nor in Chessbase site. That's interesting indeed!