Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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M ANSARI wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:12 am Aronian interview after getting crushed by Hans is hilarious :D !!! He was thinking that all his compatriots were paranoid about cheating. Is he now also being paranoid :D :D :D

And you’ve got gossip girl (Hikaru) cackling in the background. I liked him better before he started streaming.
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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dkappe wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:52 pm
M ANSARI wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:12 am Aronian interview after getting crushed by Hans is hilarious :D !!! He was thinking that all his compatriots were paranoid about cheating. Is he now also being paranoid :D :D :D

And you’ve got gossip girl (Hikaru) cackling in the background. I liked him better before he started streaming.
News Flash! Hikaru does not give a sh!t whether you liked him or not. :lol:
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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AdminX wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:06 pm
dkappe wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:52 pm
M ANSARI wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:12 am Aronian interview after getting crushed by Hans is hilarious :D !!! He was thinking that all his compatriots were paranoid about cheating. Is he now also being paranoid :D :D :D

And you’ve got gossip girl (Hikaru) cackling in the background. I liked him better before he started streaming.
News Flash! Hikaru does not give a sh!t whether you liked him or not. :lol:
He’s still a putz.
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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AdminX wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:06 pm
dkappe wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:52 pm
M ANSARI wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:12 am Aronian interview after getting crushed by Hans is hilarious :D !!! He was thinking that all his compatriots were paranoid about cheating. Is he now also being paranoid :D :D :D

And you’ve got gossip girl (Hikaru) cackling in the background. I liked him better before he started streaming.
News Flash! Hikaru does not give a sh!t whether you liked him or not. :lol:
Saw him with a backpack full of....'something', bopping along to music from his ear piece singing "idontcareidontcareidontcare....'

Ever seen Ben Finegolds stream? :ooks/feels like one of those Televangelists from 30 yrs ago (think Dr. Gene Scott...), where Scott yammered on while credits scrolled across the screen of how much different callers were phoning in. The only difference...I don't ever see Finegold asking...people just give. Good gig if you can get it I guess...and (unlike Naka) he really doesn't even play that much during the stream.
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Chessqueen wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:12 am
Graham Banks wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:30 am Image
After this positions from move 16 forward how many moves are considered the best moves which are hard for any GM rated like GM Niemann to find but very easy for engines rated over 2500 to find.? Game between GM Niemann vs GM Aronian :shock:
[fen]/2r1k2r/1bqn1pbp/pp1pp1p1/4n1P1/3NPP2/1PN1B3/P1PQB2P/R4RK1 w k - 1 16 [/fen]

FEN: 2r1k2r/1bqn1pbp/pp1pp1p1/4n1P1/3NPP2/1PN1B3/P1PQB2P/R4RK1 w k - 1 16

Hermann 2.8 64 bit:
15/40 00:10 16,019k 1,497k +3.20 Nd4-b5 a6xb5 Nc3xb5 Qc7-b8 Nb5xd6+ Ke8-e7 f4xe5 Nd7xe5 Nd6xf7 Rc8xc2 Qd2xc2 Rh8-c8 Qc2-d2 Ne5xf7 Qd2-b4+ Nf7-d6 Ra1-c1 Bb7xe4 Rc1xc8
To each his own, but as a player I must say Nb5 would be the first move I'd be looking at. It is a classic shot in such positions, and there are literally thousands of games in the Sicilian that are decided by variants of it. The most common is saccing the knight for a pawn on b5 and then picking up d6 in the mix. Add to that that even after the sac, Black's knight on e5 is still hanging...

Personally, it was the opening move 8.Be2 that actually shocked me. The stupidest looking novelty I ever saw, whose only goal seems to be to lose a tempo.
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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I do agree that in Aronian Hans game the Nb5 was thematic and obvious ... and Aronian was confused as he figured he had an extra tempo since Hans moved his Bishop twice for no apparent reason except to lose one tempo. Would be interesting to see what the engines think of the second Bishop move to e2. However the follow up was pretty impressive by Hans ... that we can all agree on. Someone who can quickly spot a forced mate in 2 with so many pieces on the board ... yet he can't see a simple Knight check against Pragg???? After the Knight check it is like -9.5 and that move is so obvious that I can't but wonder if it was on purpose. If it was on purpose then what would the reasoning be? Just too many weird things.
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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M ANSARI wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:05 pm I do agree that in Aronian Hans game the Nb5 was thematic and obvious ... and Aronian was confused as he figured he had an extra tempo since Hans moved his Bishop twice for no apparent reason except to lose one tempo. Would be interesting to see what the engines think of the second Bishop move to e2. However the follow up was pretty impressive by Hans ... that we can all agree on. Someone who can quickly spot a forced mate in 2 with so many pieces on the board ... yet he can't see a simple Knight check against Pragg???? After the Knight check it is like -9.5 and that move is so obvious that I can't but wonder if it was on purpose. If it was on purpose then what would the reasoning be? Just too many weird things.
I feel the same about your post. So full of baseless speculation. Are you trying to secretly help Hans’ case?
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M ANSARI wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:05 pm I do agree that in Aronian Hans game the Nb5 was thematic and obvious ... and Aronian was confused as he figured he had an extra tempo since Hans moved his Bishop twice for no apparent reason except to lose one tempo. Would be interesting to see what the engines think of the second Bishop move to e2. However the follow up was pretty impressive by Hans ... that we can all agree on. Someone who can quickly spot a forced mate in 2 with so many pieces on the board ... yet he can't see a simple Knight check against Pragg???? After the Knight check it is like -9.5 and that move is so obvious that I can't but wonder if it was on purpose. If it was on purpose then what would the reasoning be? Just too many weird things.
"Patzer sees check" they say...and in the fog of war, things happen.

Anyway, I just checked and 8. Be2(!?) may not be a novelty. I find a reference to Mikhalsky - Bachmann chess.com INT 2022.
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M ANSARI wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:05 pm I do agree that in Aronian Hans game the Nb5 was thematic and obvious ... and Aronian was confused as he figured he had an extra tempo since Hans moved his Bishop twice for no apparent reason except to lose one tempo. Would be interesting to see what the engines think of the second Bishop move to e2. However the follow up was pretty impressive by Hans ... that we can all agree on. Someone who can quickly spot a forced mate in 2 with so many pieces on the board ... yet he can't see a simple Knight check against Pragg???? After the Knight check it is like -9.5 and that move is so obvious that I can't but wonder if it was on purpose. If it was on purpose then what would the reasoning be? Just too many weird things.
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Albert Silver wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:53 pm

Personally, it was the opening move 8.Be2 that actually shocked me. The stupidest looking novelty I ever saw, whose only goal seems to be to lose a tempo.
Not so sure, the bishop has served its purpose on d3 and he doesn't want it swapped off by a knight landing on e5. Not a bad idea. Of course it was opening prep.

14.b3 on the other hand...wow you have to be sure before playing a move like that. The calculations which followed were flawless.