Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

[M ANSARI]

Or maybe Hans just cheated.

[swami]

I believe that anyone who is able to cross 3000 rating in online servers such as Chess.com and Lichess and remain there consistently for a long time, have capability to become a super strong GM over 2650 in FIDE.

Both Carlsen and Niemann have been around that rating mark for long time and were constant rivals online.

[M ANSARI]

Some information from Chess.com So I guess my feeling that Chess.com provided information about Dlugy to Carlsen was true. Wow ... really this is just getting pretty disgusting.

[CornfedForever]

How often have top players falsely accused people of engine cheating?

When they feel something is not right, and they are not completely alone in this, there may well be a problem.

It’s arguable/probable that of all the 500(?) or so high rated players with a chance of fame or prize money or some other motive, some unknown number cheat in some way. Presumably more probable online than OTB, but non zero in either case.

It’s also arguable, for sure since Alpha Zero, that the threatened top GMs have this worrying possibility on their minds. At some point then, there’s going to be one or more upsets of strong GMs by newer entrants. What blows this up into a storm? And what doesn’t? Why not accuse or cast suspicion on any of the newer entrants? Well, Hans is the oddball, he’s disrespectful to the GM elite, he appears to keep himself to himself, a loner, seemingly comes from nowhere, he has teenager form, and looks a bit weird. Hans is not one of them.

Cue perfect storm. Could have been anyone, but it was Hans.

Couldn't be just anyone. Had to be someone who had been banned/suspended for online cheating, and who was invited to a top level OTB tournament. There have been some other pretty strong GMs caught cheating online, but perhaps none of them were invited to a top level OTB event recently, so I don't think this shows any singling out of Hans, unless you know of another player who was also banned/suspended for online cheating and invited to a top OTB event. Whether cheating online should result in banning from OTB play is a matter of legitimate debate; clearly Carlsen and some of the other top players think the answer is "yes". Of course the answer may depend on the degree and recentness etc. of the online cheating.

Firouzja was banned from chess.com for cheating aged 11, then allowed back. Difference between Firouzja and Hans is that the former managed to become identified with the in-group, whereas Hans remained an outsider. Peer group pressure is a thing and Hans was the ideal selection for victim. As you know yourself, being a part of the in-group confers certain advantages, your peers went out of their way to clear you, Larry Kaufman, while destroying your partner in Rybka development, Vas Rajlich. Remember the deliberate and unnecessary (?) “Larry Kaufman is squeaky clean” insert? If you’re one of them, you’re safe, if not, well, fearful competitors might strike. So, it could be just anyone, it’s subject to the vagaries of the lead-group, whoever and whatever that is.
What we do know is that chess.com is intimately involved. You work for them, no? They’re busy buying up commentators and chess sites. Chess.com is becoming a monopoly monster and they have all the data on everybody, something they are prepared to use or abuse, their choice to reveal “data” to Magnus, their choice to put out the condemnatory PR letter supposedly based on their data on Hans, their choice to lift or not lift their algorithmic(?) suspensions, their choice whether to like you or not. Maybe Hans displeased them? Maybe Hans declined some offer or deal or other? Monopoly corporations have a strong tendency to misbehave.
Yes, it could be anybody, but Hans was chosen.

Holy Conspiracy Theorist!
Check Your Head (Beastie Boys)

Anyway...Firo was not so much 'allowed back' as chess.com checked and realized they were wrong. Unless you are talking about another time (?).

Even then, they 'let everyone back' in the sense that they give people 2nd chances, under a new user ID. Hans they seem to have let back one too many times. The really should 'ban' him for life on the site. He would still be able to play elsewhere...for now.

[AdminX]

Some information from Chess.com So I guess my feeling that Chess.com provided information about Dlugy to Carlsen was true. Wow ... really this is just getting pretty disgusting.

Damn if you don't keep finding good content to view, very enlightening.

[M ANSARI]

Hikaru is a super GM and he was actually playing in one of those Titled Tuesdays. He goes over this new episode. Obviously Dlugy is lying and claiming it was just a kid telling him moves and he didn't know the kid was using an engine Funny! What I want to know if Hans was the guy that he claims was feeding him the moves

[syzygy]

Firouzja was banned from chess.com for cheating aged 11, then allowed back. Difference between Firouzja and Hans is that the former managed to become identified with the in-group, whereas Hans remained an outsider.

No, difference was Firouzja had not actually cheated whereas Hans did cheat.
But who cares about facts nowadays.

[Graham Banks]

Firouzja was banned from chess.com for cheating aged 11, then allowed back. Difference between Firouzja and Hans is that the former managed to become identified with the in-group, whereas Hans remained an outsider.

No, difference was Firouzja had not actually cheated whereas Hans did cheat.
But who cares about facts nowadays.

Don't forget that Carlsen would appear to have cheated as well.

Here is the full stream. The events in question are at 1:44:00. Lots of talk of cheating and banning.

[Chessqueen]

Firouzja was banned from chess.com for cheating aged 11, then allowed back. Difference between Firouzja and Hans is that the former managed to become identified with the in-group, whereas Hans remained an outsider.

No, difference was Firouzja had not actually cheated whereas Hans did cheat.
But who cares about facts nowadays.

Don't forget that Carlsen would appear to have cheated as well.

Here is the full stream. The events in question are at 1:44:00. Lots of talk of cheating and banning.

Chess has never been so popular, only during Bobby Fischer Era, but NOW with this accusation of Cheating all major newspapers are covering. When chess gets mentioned extensively in The Wall Street Journal, The Atlantic, The New York Times, The Sunday Times and even VICE, while Elon Musk also weighs in and when it’s the subject of sketches by Trevor Noah and Stephen Colbert in the same week, you’d normally think this was good ==>https://en.chessbase.com/post/chess-edi ... rear-ended

[syzygy]

Firouzja was banned from chess.com for cheating aged 11, then allowed back. Difference between Firouzja and Hans is that the former managed to become identified with the in-group, whereas Hans remained an outsider.

No, difference was Firouzja had not actually cheated whereas Hans did cheat.
But who cares about facts nowadays.

Don't forget that Carlsen would appear to have cheated as well.

Here is the full stream. The events in question are at 1:44:00. Lots of talk of cheating and banning.

Logical connection? You want to legalise cheating?