dkappe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:32 pm
Getting unasked help is one thing, accepting it is another. It was cheating, even if the cheaters chuckled about it afterwards.
He made a mistake, that's right. Comparing this with intentional cheating is still ridiculous.
Intentional? Why do you have a bunch of titled players watching you play a money online tournament and kibitzing? Magnus certainly isn’t the only to do this. Seems it’s pretty commonplace in chess streaming. It’s certainly not “unintentional.”
Anyhow, whether intentional or not, cheating is cheating. Ridiculous are those who rationalize a difference.
There is a clear difference between using an engine to cheat and a situation when some weaker player tell a stronger player that the stronger player can win the queen and the stronger player is surprised to hear it and ask how(maybe because he believes that the weaker player is wrong at the time of asking).
You are right that Carlsen cheated in the relevant game but intentional using of an engine is clearly worse and the punishement should not be the same.
dkappe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:45 pm
Why do you have a bunch of titled players watching you play a money online tournament and kibitzing?
So you imply that Carlsen invited his friends to get help to win the tournament. In front of a camera. Live on Twitch. You make a fool out of yourself.
dkappe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:32 pm
Getting unasked help is one thing, accepting it is another. It was cheating, even if the cheaters chuckled about it afterwards.
He made a mistake, that's right. Comparing this with intentional cheating is still ridiculous.
Intentional? Why do you have a bunch of titled players watching you play a money online tournament and kibitzing? Magnus certainly isn’t the only to do this. Seems it’s pretty commonplace in chess streaming. It’s certainly not “unintentional.”
Anyhow, whether intentional or not, cheating is cheating. Ridiculous are those who rationalize a difference.
There is a clear difference between using an engine to cheat and a situation when some weaker player tell a stronger player that the stronger player can win the queen and the stronger player is surprised to hear it and ask how(maybe because he believes that the weaker player is wrong at the time of asking).
You are right that Carlsen cheated in the relevant game but intentional using of an engine is clearly worse and the punishement should not be the same.
Hi guys, I watched the video of round 3 on youtube. Niemann is a genius or a cheater.
Carlsen didn't play well, but: Niemann almost never looked at the board, he played almost blind. You can see that in the video at 2h, then at 3.15h and at the end. Haha that was awesome. Unbelievable.
A new genius on the board? The next tournaments will show.
When is the next tournament with Niemann, I want to watch?
With, I trust, better scanners and a 30 min delay?
I think Magnus has hinted at what they had (even after he lost) was not sufficient....Fabi says the Candidates screening was better.
dkappe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:32 pm
Getting unasked help is one thing, accepting it is another. It was cheating, even if the cheaters chuckled about it afterwards.
He made a mistake, that's right. Comparing this with intentional cheating is still ridiculous.
Intentional? Why do you have a bunch of titled players watching you play a money online tournament and kibitzing? Magnus certainly isn’t the only to do this. Seems it’s pretty commonplace in chess streaming. It’s certainly not “unintentional.”
Anyhow, whether intentional or not, cheating is cheating. Ridiculous are those who rationalize a difference.
There is a clear difference between using an engine to cheat and a situation when some weaker player tell a stronger player that the stronger player can win the queen and the stronger player is surprised to hear it and ask how(maybe because he believes that the weaker player is wrong at the time of asking).
You are right that Carlsen cheated in the relevant game but intentional using of an engine is clearly worse and the punishement should not be the same.
Uri - Of course it’s ‘worse’ in that one is premeditated and the other is incidental…but with Magnus CHOSING to cheat when offered the opportunity. Think of it as Murder vs Manslaughter – either way you killed someone.
I think people (like me anyway) bring up Carlsen’s cheating because:
1. It is the pot calling the kettle black; and
2. Some who are willing to extrapolate and lynch Hans in all forms of chess are often want to bring out their ‘broad brushes’ and will say things like “Once a cheater, always a cheater”…but when confronted with the Magnus video are just as eager to rationalize that one away.
You simply can’t have it both ways.
To some ‘war is war’, to others it’s a ‘special military action’. May they sleep better at night.
Great! This will be fun, but only if there is live video broadcast.
FIDE Launches Official Investigation! + MONSTER GAME; wich reminds us of Bobby Fischer Queen Sac
Even Blunder 8.5 has a hard time finding this Queen SAC
OR ==>
Bobby Fischer Queen Sacrifice ==>
NOT Even Blunder 8.5 can find this SAC in less than 1 Minute
[fen]3r2k1/1p3pp1/pq5p/1B6/8/2r1PQ2/1R3PPP/5RK1 w - - 0 1[/fen]
FEN: 3r2k1/1p3pp1/pq5p/1B6/8/2r1PQ2/1R3PPP/5RK1 w - - 0 1
