Queen for Knight challenge

[lkaufman]

In order to spur interest in the little-known LeelaQueenForKnight bot, I offered a $300 prize for the first FIDE titled player of known identity (NMs allowed if rated over 2600 blitz or Rapid on Lichess or chess.com) to win a 30 game blitz match from the bot. Initially it was restricted to 3'0" (or 2'1"), but since no one even came close in the first 3 days, despite many IMs and one GM trying, the max time limit has been raised to 3'1", which many consider to be comparable online to the standard over-the-board blitz time control of 3'2". Maybe soon we will see someone claim the prize. There are some restrictions, Leela gets White, the player must have an established online blitz or Rapid rating over 2500, the 30 games must be consecutive and played within a 16 hour window, and the prize won't be awarded if there is evidence of cheating (computer use). The title and rating restrictions are meant to weed out players who would almost certainly not be able to win the match without cheating; exceptions will be made for known strong players on request. In general, players below FM level can't even win a blitz match at full queen odds, so it probably takes GM blitz level to do so at queen for knight odds. But at 3'0" or 2'1" the best result so far was by IM Kacper Drozdowski, a really top level blitz player (3070 on chess.com), who scored 8 points in the 30 games.

[towforce]

Any human wins you can share?

[Father]

Good evening Mister Larry Kaufman. I have a question please. Are the bots leelaOdds now much better now than five months ago. Thanks in advance.

[lkaufman]

Good evening Mister Larry Kaufman. I have a question please. Are the bots leelaOdds now much better now than five months ago. Thanks in advance.

Well, "much" is a matter of opinion. There have been a few upgrades, probably most notably to queen odds and some of the multi-piece odds. Especially in bullet games you might notice the improvement in queen odds. Maybe for LQO bullet it might be 100 elo stronger than five months ago, give or take. About 3 months ago one human (GM Awonder Liang) was able to win a long 1'0" match vs LQO despite Leela playing White; I'm not sure if he (or anyone else) could do so today.

[lkaufman]

Any human wins you can share?

All the games are available to see on LiChess. I don't have time right now to sift through them all (several hundred) to pick the best ones, maybe someone else here can do that. I imagine "Chess-Network" will have youtube videos of some of the games soon; he played 36 himself, though without any wins (ten draws).

[Father]

Good evening Mister Larry Kaufman. I have a question please. Are the bots leelaOdds now much better now than five months ago. Thanks in advance.

Well, "much" is a matter of opinion. There have been a few upgrades, probably most notably to queen odds and some of the multi-piece odds. Especially in bullet games you might notice the improvement in queen odds. Maybe for LQO bullet it might be 100 elo stronger than five months ago, give or take. About 3 months ago one human (GM Awonder Liang) was able to win a long 1'0" match vs LQO despite Leela playing White; I'm not sure if he (or anyone else) could do so today.

Good morning Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you for your information. Since October 7th, I have played very little. I still continue with the philosophical question, in the sense of whether LeelaQueenOdds and the other Odds will increase their performance to the point that human chess professionals will have no choice but to fight for draws. Then I would believe that it would be an opportunity for me to return to systematically competing against the Odds and to once again occupy good positions in the result tables of the top 100 humans. The truth is I do not know what will happen first: Whether it will be the super level of chess computers or the depletion of my own energy stack of life and the transformation to other energetic levels of the soul, intelligence, memory, will, and freedom. Once again, thank you very much Mr. Larry Kaufman.

[lkaufman]

Good evening Mister Larry Kaufman. I have a question please. Are the bots leelaOdds now much better now than five months ago. Thanks in advance.

Well, "much" is a matter of opinion. There have been a few upgrades, probably most notably to queen odds and some of the multi-piece odds. Especially in bullet games you might notice the improvement in queen odds. Maybe for LQO bullet it might be 100 elo stronger than five months ago, give or take. About 3 months ago one human (GM Awonder Liang) was able to win a long 1'0" match vs LQO despite Leela playing White; I'm not sure if he (or anyone else) could do so today.

Good morning Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you for your information. Since October 7th, I have played very little. I still continue with the philosophical question, in the sense of whether LeelaQueenOdds and the other Odds will increase their performance to the point that human chess professionals will have no choice but to fight for draws. Then I would believe that it would be an opportunity for me to return to systematically competing against the Odds and to once again occupy good positions in the result tables of the top 100 humans. The truth is I do not know what will happen first: Whether it will be the super level of chess computers or the depletion of my own energy stack of life and the transformation to other energetic levels of the soul, intelligence, memory, will, and freedom. Once again, thank you very much Mr. Larry Kaufman.

Everything depends on time control. At pure bullet (1'0"), we may already be at the point where no human can score 50% vs LQO playing White, I'm not sure about that, but they mostly score wins, not draws. Regarding the queen for knight challenge, still no one has won the prize; Super-GM Jeffery Xiong tried last night (at the new 3'1" time control), and scored 2 wins, 4 draws, and 4 losses. Someone is bound to do it soon.

[Father]

Good evening Mister Larry Kaufman. I have a question please. Are the bots leelaOdds now much better now than five months ago. Thanks in advance.

Well, "much" is a matter of opinion. There have been a few upgrades, probably most notably to queen odds and some of the multi-piece odds. Especially in bullet games you might notice the improvement in queen odds. Maybe for LQO bullet it might be 100 elo stronger than five months ago, give or take. About 3 months ago one human (GM Awonder Liang) was able to win a long 1'0" match vs LQO despite Leela playing White; I'm not sure if he (or anyone else) could do so today.

Good morning Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you for your information. Since October 7th, I have played very little. I still continue with the philosophical question, in the sense of whether LeelaQueenOdds and the other Odds will increase their performance to the point that human chess professionals will have no choice but to fight for draws. Then I would believe that it would be an opportunity for me to return to systematically competing against the Odds and to once again occupy good positions in the result tables of the top 100 humans. The truth is I do not know what will happen first: Whether it will be the super level of chess computers or the depletion of my own energy stack of life and the transformation to other energetic levels of the soul, intelligence, memory, will, and freedom. Once again, thank you very much Mr. Larry Kaufman.

Everything depends on time control. At pure bullet (1'0"), we may already be at the point where no human can score 50% vs LQO playing White, I'm not sure about that, but they mostly score wins, not draws. Regarding the queen for knight challenge, still no one has won the prize; Super-GM Jeffery Xiong tried last night (at the new 3'1" time control), and scored 2 wins, 4 draws, and 4 losses. Someone is bound to do it soon.

Good afternoon Mr. Larry Kaufman. Do draws have any value for me without being preceded by my victories? If they have value without being preceded by victories on the part of the human, I could try it at a time level of 1 minute with zero increment per move against different robots, whether playing with black pieces myself or with white pieces myself.

[Uri Blass]

Good evening Mister Larry Kaufman. I have a question please. Are the bots leelaOdds now much better now than five months ago. Thanks in advance.

Well, "much" is a matter of opinion. There have been a few upgrades, probably most notably to queen odds and some of the multi-piece odds. Especially in bullet games you might notice the improvement in queen odds. Maybe for LQO bullet it might be 100 elo stronger than five months ago, give or take. About 3 months ago one human (GM Awonder Liang) was able to win a long 1'0" match vs LQO despite Leela playing White; I'm not sure if he (or anyone else) could do so today.

Good morning Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you for your information. Since October 7th, I have played very little. I still continue with the philosophical question, in the sense of whether LeelaQueenOdds and the other Odds will increase their performance to the point that human chess professionals will have no choice but to fight for draws. Then I would believe that it would be an opportunity for me to return to systematically competing against the Odds and to once again occupy good positions in the result tables of the top 100 humans. The truth is I do not know what will happen first: Whether it will be the super level of chess computers or the depletion of my own energy stack of life and the transformation to other energetic levels of the soul, intelligence, memory, will, and freedom. Once again, thank you very much Mr. Larry Kaufman.

Everything depends on time control. At pure bullet (1'0"), we may already be at the point where no human can score 50% vs LQO playing White, I'm not sure about that, but they mostly score wins, not draws. Regarding the queen for knight challenge, still no one has won the prize; Super-GM Jeffery Xiong tried last night (at the new 3'1" time control), and scored 2 wins, 4 draws, and 4 losses. Someone is bound to do it soon.

Good afternoon Mr. Larry Kaufman. Do draws have any value for me without being preceded by my victories? If they have value without being preceded by victories on the part of the human, I could try it at a time level of 1 minute with zero increment per move against different robots, whether playing with black pieces myself or with white pieces myself.

I know nobody who get 50% by drawing every game.
You got many draws in the past but you also lost a significant part of the games.

If somebody can draw in 30 consecutive games vs LQO at pure bullet 1+0 then it may be interesting to see.

[chrisw]

In order to spur interest in the little-known LeelaQueenForKnight bot, I offered a $300 prize for the first FIDE titled player of known identity (NMs allowed if rated over 2600 blitz or Rapid on Lichess or chess.com) to win a 30 game blitz match from the bot. Initially it was restricted to 3'0" (or 2'1"), but since no one even came close in the first 3 days, despite many IMs and one GM trying, the max time limit has been raised to 3'1", which many consider to be comparable online to the standard over-the-board blitz time control of 3'2". Maybe soon we will see someone claim the prize. There are some restrictions, Leela gets White, the player must have an established online blitz or Rapid rating over 2500, the 30 games must be consecutive and played within a 16 hour window, and the prize won't be awarded if there is evidence of cheating (computer use). The title and rating restrictions are meant to weed out players who would almost certainly not be able to win the match without cheating; exceptions will be made for known strong players on request. In general, players below FM level can't even win a blitz match at full queen odds, so it probably takes GM blitz level to do so at queen for knight odds. But at 3'0" or 2'1" the best result so far was by IM Kacper Drozdowski, a really top level blitz player (3070 on chess.com), who scored 8 points in the 30 games.

It’s beyond me how bullet and blitz prove anything. It’s way too easy to make dumb errors of blindness at those time controls. Results are a fix. Please try again at 30 minutes or one hour per game.