Suppose the worst case against Vas, and then...

[Zach Wegner]

Fern is right!

None of this would be talked about without Rybka being the best engine in the world. When I started reading some of these post I just couldn't believe how people could even think this way. What a bunch of haters, but I guess this is what the world is about these days.

Peace and love must be just a silly concept.

This is simply nonsense. Those that have a bit of short term memory will remember that two clones were discovered in the past couple months or so, and I was involved in both discussions. I do not like dishonesty; the strength of an engine is inconsequential.

Now, what is important in this issue, is the fact that Rybka is making a lot of money. So if it turns out that Rybka started life as Fruit, IMO a big chunk of that money belongs in Fabien's hands.

That's all there is to it. No need for such speculation.

[bob]

Fern is right!

None of this would be talked about without Rybka being the best engine in the world. When I started reading some of these post I just couldn't believe how people could even think this way. What a bunch of haters, but I guess this is what the world is about these days.

Peace and love must be just a silly concept.

This is simply nonsense. Those that have a bit of short term memory will remember that two clones were discovered in the past couple months or so, and I was involved in both discussions. I do not like dishonesty; the strength of an engine is inconsequential.

Now, what is important in this issue, is the fact that Rybka is making a lot of money. So if it turns out that Rybka started life as Fruit, IMO a big chunk of that money belongs in Fabien's hands.

That's all there is to it. No need for such speculation.

I completely agree. The "crafty clones" were not the best in the world. We pursued those just as carefully to verify their status, and proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that they were clones. This "it is only because rybka is #1" shows a real lack of knowledge about past history dealing with clones of all types.

[Uri Blass]

But well, If that writer really make something superior and better work according to any experienced judge and making use of same script than me, it is ok.

something tells me my friend..that if this were the case..and another writer took a " good part" of your work...gave you no credit..and went on to sell one million copies..made the NY TIMES best seller list and won the Pulitzer prize..never once mentioning you or your work...and you discovered by accident that this great novel was really from your work
you would have a team of Lawyers on this guy so fast it would make the OJ Simpson case look like a University debating squad meet

Case Closed Regards
Steve

The no credit is not correct in case of rybka.
Vas clearly gave credit to Fabien.

The similiar case is that the writer only say that he thanks fernando because reading his books helped him to have better ideas for his book
but without admitting that part of his book is fernando's book.

Note that also to have equivalent case the writer should have few pages that are almost identical to fernando's book but no 2 identical pages
when there are many chapters that are completely different(move generator of rybka is completely different than the move generator of fruit)

For the discussion both books may have 200 pages when only
10 pages(pages 1,4,6.10-12,34,87,123,145) of Fernando have equivalent pages in the new book or almost equivalent pages.

No accident because one page may have 10 sentences and it is no accident if they have the same content except things like different names of the heros or some very small modifications.

Uri

[Tony]

For the discussion both books may have 200 pages when only
10 pages(pages 1,4,6.10-12,34,87,123,145) of Fernando have equivalent pages in the new book or almost equivalent pages.

No accident because one page may have 10 sentences and it is no accident if they have the same content except things like different names of the heros or some very small modifications.

Uri

Are you serious ?

Somebody ACCIDENTLY wrote the same 10 pages in his book ?

You really believe this is possible ? You don't deny the presence of the same lines, you just say: Yeah, that's to be expected.

Well, thank you for explaining the situation very clear for Fernando. Maybe he can tell how likely it is that his new book will have 10 pages the same as a different book (not his own).

Tony

[bob]

For the discussion both books may have 200 pages when only
10 pages(pages 1,4,6.10-12,34,87,123,145) of Fernando have equivalent pages in the new book or almost equivalent pages.

No accident because one page may have 10 sentences and it is no accident if they have the same content except things like different names of the heros or some very small modifications.

Uri

Are you serious ?

Somebody ACCIDENTLY wrote the same 10 pages in his book ?

You really believe this is possible ? You don't deny the presence of the same lines, you just say: Yeah, that's to be expected.

Well, thank you for explaining the situation very clear for Fernando. Maybe he can tell how likely it is that his new book will have 10 pages the same as a different book (not his own).

Tony

You could have said "for some, it might be more likely to happen than for others..."

In any case this is beginning to sound like an episode from the twilight zone, where everything is "backward" to the way we expect it to be. Ugly people are considered handsome. Handsome people are undergoing plastic surgery to become "ugly". Where lots of people write things independently and come up with large chunks of identical text or source code. we just need Rod Serling reciting the opening narrative, and ending with "you have now entered the twilight zone..."

[bob]

Fern is right!

None of this would be talked about without Rybka being the best engine in the world. When I started reading some of these post I just couldn't believe how people could even think this way. What a bunch of haters, but I guess this is what the world is about these days.

Peace and love must be just a silly concept.

[/quote]

Perhaps just as silly as "truth and justice"??? hmmm???

[Uri Blass]

For the discussion both books may have 200 pages when only
10 pages(pages 1,4,6.10-12,34,87,123,145) of Fernando have equivalent pages in the new book or almost equivalent pages.

No accident because one page may have 10 sentences and it is no accident if they have the same content except things like different names of the heros or some very small modifications.

Uri

Are you serious ?

Somebody ACCIDENTLY wrote the same 10 pages in his book ?

You really believe this is possible ? You don't deny the presence of the same lines, you just say: Yeah, that's to be expected.

Well, thank you for explaining the situation very clear for Fernando. Maybe he can tell how likely it is that his new book will have 10 pages the same as a different book (not his own).

Tony

I did not claim that it is the case with rybka and fruit
I only said that the worst case from Vas point of view is equivalent to the case that I suggest.

I do not know if there is some illegal similiarity between rybka and fruit
but I consider people as innocent if I am not convinced that they are quilty.

Uri

[Tony]

For the discussion both books may have 200 pages when only
10 pages(pages 1,4,6.10-12,34,87,123,145) of Fernando have equivalent pages in the new book or almost equivalent pages.

No accident because one page may have 10 sentences and it is no accident if they have the same content except things like different names of the heros or some very small modifications.

Uri

Are you serious ?

Somebody ACCIDENTLY wrote the same 10 pages in his book ?

You really believe this is possible ? You don't deny the presence of the same lines, you just say: Yeah, that's to be expected.

Well, thank you for explaining the situation very clear for Fernando. Maybe he can tell how likely it is that his new book will have 10 pages the same as a different book (not his own).

Tony

I did not claim that it is the case with rybka and fruit
I only said that the worst case from Vas point of view is equivalent to the case that I suggest.

I do not know if there is some illegal similiarity between rybka and fruit
but I consider people as innocent if I am not convinced that they are quilty.

Uri

Well, then you're right.

If you accept 10 pages of a book being the same as normal, then yes, Rybka is not related to Fruit.

Oh, wait, 10 pages is only 5 %, well 20% is also acceptable. It's only 40 pages from a 200 pages book. But it would have to be the 40 unimportant pages.
The other 40 pages don't count. They are translated, so that's completety rewritten, and therefore unique.


Tony

[Uri Blass]

For the discussion both books may have 200 pages when only
10 pages(pages 1,4,6.10-12,34,87,123,145) of Fernando have equivalent pages in the new book or almost equivalent pages.

No accident because one page may have 10 sentences and it is no accident if they have the same content except things like different names of the heros or some very small modifications.

Uri

Are you serious ?

Somebody ACCIDENTLY wrote the same 10 pages in his book ?

You really believe this is possible ? You don't deny the presence of the same lines, you just say: Yeah, that's to be expected.

Well, thank you for explaining the situation very clear for Fernando. Maybe he can tell how likely it is that his new book will have 10 pages the same as a different book (not his own).

Tony

I did not claim that it is the case with rybka and fruit
I only said that the worst case from Vas point of view is equivalent to the case that I suggest.

I do not know if there is some illegal similiarity between rybka and fruit
but I consider people as innocent if I am not convinced that they are quilty.

Uri

Well, then you're right.

If you accept 10 pages of a book being the same as normal, then yes, Rybka is not related to Fruit.

Oh, wait, 10 pages is only 5 %, well 20% is also acceptable. It's only 40 pages from a 200 pages book. But it would have to be the 40 unimportant pages.
The other 40 pages don't count. They are translated, so that's completety rewritten, and therefore unique.


Tony

I did not claim that I accept 10 or 40 pages out of 200 to be the same but only explained the worst case that mean that Vas is quilty .

I think that there is a reason to expect more similiarity between chess programs relative to books so you need more than 5% of chess program
to be equivalent to the case of 5% of a book.

My point is that in the worst case the author is quilty but he is less quilty than the example that people suggested.

Uri

[Tony]

For the discussion both books may have 200 pages when only
10 pages(pages 1,4,6.10-12,34,87,123,145) of Fernando have equivalent pages in the new book or almost equivalent pages.

No accident because one page may have 10 sentences and it is no accident if they have the same content except things like different names of the heros or some very small modifications.

Uri

Are you serious ?

Somebody ACCIDENTLY wrote the same 10 pages in his book ?

You really believe this is possible ? You don't deny the presence of the same lines, you just say: Yeah, that's to be expected.

Well, thank you for explaining the situation very clear for Fernando. Maybe he can tell how likely it is that his new book will have 10 pages the same as a different book (not his own).

Tony

I did not claim that it is the case with rybka and fruit
I only said that the worst case from Vas point of view is equivalent to the case that I suggest.

I do not know if there is some illegal similiarity between rybka and fruit
but I consider people as innocent if I am not convinced that they are quilty.

Uri

Well, then you're right.

If you accept 10 pages of a book being the same as normal, then yes, Rybka is not related to Fruit.

Oh, wait, 10 pages is only 5 %, well 20% is also acceptable. It's only 40 pages from a 200 pages book. But it would have to be the 40 unimportant pages.
The other 40 pages don't count. They are translated, so that's completety rewritten, and therefore unique.


Tony

I did not claim that I accept 10 or 40 pages out of 200 to be the same but only explained the worst case that mean that Vas is quilty .

I think that there is a reason to expect more similiarity between chess programs relative to books so you need more than 5% of chess program
to be equivalent to the case of 5% of a book.

My point is that in the worst case the author is quilty but he is less quilty than the example that people suggested.

Uri

What example ? Wich people ?

Tony