Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

[M ANSARI]

My opinion is: Ban cheaters. For their lifetime. They lost the right to play in a serious competition..

In which serious tournament did Niemann cheat?evidence please
Players with serious problems like MC should be banned for their unsportsmanlike behavior for some games or tournaments.

Let's see ... Magnus Carlsen in his game against his extremely strong 2800 rival Ding Liren from China ... actually lost his game on purpose against Ding because Ding got disconnected and lost the first game due to a poor internet connection in China. This was a tournament with a $150,000 prize. This shows that MC has more of an appreciation to what is "Fair Play" that the average chess player. So you want to ban the WCC with an impeccable record
for unsportsmanlike behavior while give the benefit of the doubt to an admitted serial cheater? Really?

[Chessqueen]

Nobody has ever talked about any specific move of Niemmen that is typical of computer play in any of his games in Sinqfield, or St.Louis or Julius Baer - current one that he is playing in. We know engines make numerous odd/atypical moves. No one has come forward to post any position or talked about it till date. It's always topics outside of board in relation to casting suspicion. Neither here nor in Chessbase site. That's interesting indeed!

In any game even among Patzers there will always be a few moves that are the top moves recommend by top engines, so to blame GM Hans for a few moves is wrong, he has proven himself to score more than 60% in the last top tournaments where the very best players played, and GM Hans is one of the lowest rated players that has participated in the last 2 important tournaments, but he managed to score better than other players rated higher than him.

Note: A recommendation when playing online would be to get any coach that live nearby and pay him a small fee of $1,000.00 and to sit near the players playing online to make sure that they do NOT cheat, or to have the players play from any nearby chess club with a computer where they can be observed.

[CornfedForever]

The games are still there however, it is not like they are missing. Plus this is only what is has admitted to after being caught. Maybe you are right and he is not cheating any more, however the little boy who cried wolf comes to my mind.

In multiple Regan interviews, I don't think he ever said he went back over 3 yrs in his data (Hans is 19). I do not recall how far he went back in his data on chess.com...and chess.com has mistakenly identified some as cheaters in the past. That also needs to be considered.

Either way, it is the Meltwater people who either who are responsible for allowing Hans to play in their online series. Ironically, the entity brought into being by the Play Magnus Group. Did they not do their due diligence? I don't know, but it is something magnus needs to take up with them. The way he 'protested' was wrong as it affects everyone else directly. No one else is refusing to play Hans despite his online reputation... why just Magnus is a fair question.

Online playing sites/organizations the world over - at least if they hold tournament for prize money - should share data with some clearing house as it is easy for someone to play online, even under assumed names. Where there is money, there is a way. So, in the future we might see a world that simply HAD to come into existence and this will be seen as the even that precipitated it. That will be good. Things evolve over time.

OTB...a different beast. Really, only the movement of the pieces and two minds at work are the same. Everything from touching the pieces and clock to how one might cheat is largely going to be different.

I remember Wesley So being forfeited a game (think it was only 1) for simply witting little 'affirmations' to himself on his scoresheet while playing (In St. Louis) like "You can do great thing's" or "I am capable" type stuff. That's a bit extreme, IMHO, but it was a 'fair play violation' of sorts. For all we know, he may have sayings ike that in picture frames in his home office when playing...and that's probably not against the rules.

[marsell]

for unsportsmanlike behavior while give the benefit of the doubt to an admitted serial cheater? Really?

once again, evidence please

[Chessqueen]

for unsportsmanlike behavior while give the benefit of the doubt to an admitted serial cheater? Really?

once again, evidence please

GM Hans beat GM Aronian with an Opening preparation, If it was Carsen he would accuse him of using an engine

[Chessqueen]

for unsportsmanlike behavior while give the benefit of the doubt to an admitted serial cheater? Really?

once again, evidence please

GM Hans beat GM Aronian with an Opening preparation in a few moves, If it was Carsen he would accuse him of using an engine

New evidence that GM Hans is getting too strong or got too strong during Covi19

[M ANSARI]

for unsportsmanlike behavior while give the benefit of the doubt to an admitted serial cheater? Really?

once again, evidence please

What do you mean evidence??? He has admitted he cheated before. Or do you mean evidence that MC threw a game out of respect for GM Ding Liren and thought it was unfair that Ding should lose due to a disconnection or poor connectivity in his geographic location? If so here

https://chess24.com/en/read/news/carlse ... fide-award

[marsell]

What do you mean evidence??? He has admitted he cheated before.

Ok now everything is clear to me, you have not understood the whole story
bye

[AdminX]

Well this event is getting interesting!

[CornfedForever]

Well this event is getting interesting!

Yes...the 3 points Magnus gave to Hans yesterday, may end up kicking someone out of advancing if Hans can hold onto his spot in the top 8. He had a good chance for 3 more against Pragg but tossed it away today.