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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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lkaufman wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:43 pm
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:57 pm
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:48 pm
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:52 am
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:49 am
Marcus91 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:29 am
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 10:25 pm
Marcus91 wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:09 pm
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:14 pm It seems that fixing the bug change the table and now this is the table(I do not complain about reduction in the place of me that is logical but how it is possible that Catecan went down to 2291.9?)

I thought that even with dividing K by 2 considering the fact that he played so many games his rating should not go down by a lot because it already converged to his performance against the bot.
The only case when his rating should go down by a lot is the case that he improved significantly in the last games so the rating still did not converge to be close to the right rating.

Even I went down only by 30 elo or something like that and I could see 2246 or something close earlier after part of the update so I guess it was my rating before fixing the bug.

LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+0 (Reference) 2895.2
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+0 (Reference) 2795.2
LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+1 (Reference) 2634.5
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+0 (Reference) 2619.5
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+1 (Reference) 2534.5
1 Orichess88 2524.5 73
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+0 (Reference) 2519.5
2 Master_Unknown 2514.6 92
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+2 (Reference) 2450.0
3 Ushkothebear 2443.7 184
4 Hissha 2398.4 94
5 Omnivor 2396.8 30
LeelaQueenOdds as white 5+3 (Reference) 2353.7
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+2 (Reference) 2350.0
6 Respectful_Dave 2299.6 74
7 itore 2297.1 43
8 Catecan 2291.9 1288
LeelaQueenOdds as black 5+3 (Reference) 2253.7
9 Sakali 2251.1 146
10 Spreek 2229.8 45
11 sfy2011 2223.6 25
12 SilverMitt 2223.1 26
LeelaQueenOdds as white 10+5 (Reference) 2220.3
13 uriblass 2216.4 182
14 nn1133 2205.6 6346
Catecan went down because its recent performance is better than its older performance, all it has to do is maintain this performance and it will continue to rise.
I see the leader has 73 games in the table but search found only 65 games

https://lichess.org/@/Orichess88/search ... order=desc

What is the reason for the difference?
The bug likely occurs during the download of new games to update the leaderboard. Despite a check in the code to ensure only new games are added, it seems some are being added regardless. I will investigate how to fix it
LeelaQueenOdds Leaderboard - Top 100

About this Leaderboard

How do I earn points? You can gain or lose points only by playing LeelaQueenOdds
How is the rating computed? It's based on the same method as the FIDE rating adjustment, using:
K = 40 for the first 30 games
K = 20 up to 150 games
K = 10 for subsequent games
Play at your best Time Control: This leaderboard adjusts ratings based on Time Control
How is Leela's rating computed? A statistical model based on LeelaQueenOdds games normalizes Lichess blitz ratings and time control with the score expected by Elo
Play for the Win: Draws have the 'K' factor halved
Starting rating: Lichess rating - 200, with a maximum starting rating of 1800
Update: In these early stages, the leaderboard is updated occasionally but daily
Github: https://github.com/Marcogio9/LeelaQueenOdds-Leaderboard
No Player Rating Games
LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+0 (Reference) 2895.2
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+0 (Reference) 2795.2
LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+1 (Reference) 2634.5
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+0 (Reference) 2619.5
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+1 (Reference) 2534.5
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+0 (Reference) 2519.5
1 Orichess88 2514.5 73
2 Master_Unknown 2504.6 92
3 Hissha 2499.3 119
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+2 (Reference) 2450.0
4 Ushkothebear 2415.1 268
5 Omnivor 2386.8 30
6 Catecan 2375.5 1551
LeelaQueenOdds as white 5+3 (Reference) 2353.7
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+2 (Reference) 2350.0
7 Feofanov_Vladimir 2310.5 86
8 Respectful_Dave 2307.0 75
9 itore 2287.1 43
10 Bonitta 2266.5 33
LeelaQueenOdds as black 5+3 (Reference) 2253.7
11 Sakali 2246.6 162
12 AxelBoldt 2244.3 338
LeelaQueenOdds as white 10+5 (Reference) 2220.3
13 Spreek 2219.8 45
14 uriblass 2216.3 185
15 sfy2011 2213.6 25
16 SilverMitt 2213.1 26
17 Ajktulm 2206.8 293
18 nn1133 2195.6 6346
19 iWannaSeeYouSmile 2189.8 73
20 elputoano 2177.9 232
21 wael96 2151.0 53
22 edgebottle 2144.5 360
23 Forgive1219 2134.7 189
24 TheLlamaLord 2133.7 22
25 lyxsgdzt 2130.1 66
LeelaQueenOdds as white 15+10 (Reference) 2127.3
26 mapascual 2120.3 42
LeelaQueenOdds as black 10+5 (Reference) 2120.3
27 Jagen 2114.5 56
28 xHadyx 2104.4 169
29 WhiteRabbit00735 2091.1 145
30 chess66666 2088.4 204
31 ricky8632200 2066.4 83
32 MathTennisCoding 2054.0 25
33 RhinoTank 2049.4 38
34 Punypawn315 2044.9 19
35 wireless78 2044.4 21
36 ycw77092 2042.4 16
LeelaQueenOdds as black 15+10 (Reference) 2027.3
37 Give_You_Up 2027.2 37
38 SerbianPigeon 2026.6 23
39 Ready2live 2025.1 77
40 vital303 2020.9 351
41 Shakkileijona 2019.8 119
42 Superhond 2012.4 30
43 GambitSlonia2 2012.0 38
44 egor42 2012.0 12
45 Liouville1 2010.6 39
46 coachpotato11 2008.3 16
47 jzm 2006.3 15
48 RockyHolyfield 2004.7 20
49 QuCaNi 1993.0 21
50 maciej_rurami 1990.0 22
51 KentGoulding 1983.7 291
52 Chrisinc 1981.4 20
53 MGod123 1975.8 66
54 Pereval 1975.4 64
55 weirdexperiment 1972.4 53
56 ChaseTheMace 1970.8 58
57 Kacparov 1970.7 41
58 The_Pizza_Pazer 1968.5 13
59 raftsiam 1968.0 41
60 Brunetticus 1966.0 434
61 ericfromlux 1964.2 240
62 MrGaye 1963.0 11
63 box_boxed 1958.7 47
64 Monchi 1956.7 14
65 OjaiJoao 1955.7 5
66 megaserg86 1953.0 272
67 susiedent 1951.6 14
68 XulIyU 1948.2 36
69 XuYL_1a 1947.5 24
70 Nechto37 1943.4 113
71 CommonElk 1940.8 36
72 darkhorse_98 1940.6 19
73 Nudibranchs 1934.6 11
74 ActorXu 1925.3 64
75 desperado64 1920.0 41
76 ranibow_ghost 1918.7 16
77 Gryphos1 1917.9 84
78 junglegame 1916.3 11
79 fuyukara 1914.0 30
80 Andrey_Kirillov 1912.4 4
81 wencun 1910.6 50
82 PedalExtremities 1909.9 125
83 TrainingAccount04 1906.8 8
84 j_h_n 1906.6 94
85 veni_vidi_vici2007 1905.1 39
86 WW-1219 1897.9 27
87 Ehudgol 1892.1 27
88 JConcorde 1890.5 41
89 Rawnsdale 1889.0 25
90 legionofboom 1886.6 21
91 Fearsamuel 1885.9 7
92 shhmrhSX 1884.7 23
93 loneachess 1883.6 9
94 FuegoAbrumador 1883.6 63
95 piscatorox 1881.0 3
96 Gvierous-Lady 1879.7 93
97 qihunanxia0705 1875.4 339
98 Grigory_Rasshivalin 1874.7 14
99 jos3000 1873.9 23
100 itay121 1873.7 23
Good morning everyone. A new day of life has been given to us, and the stars sun and moon are in the heavens, accompanied by the stars. Today I would like to congratulate "Hissha" for his brilliance in the Top 100 list of the standings, of the best humans. Congratulations to all the members of the table, and to all the players who face the computer who are not on the table, they are all stars of the firmament.
Another peodigy GM faces LeelaqueenOdds in bullet time of one minute without increment;
GM A-Liang obtains an important number of victories, and the chess board shakes and burns.
The prodigy GM has a rating of 2640, I wonder what rating LeelaqueenOdds has in bullet time of one minute without increment? The GM even defeated the computer consecutively, I was able to observe 36 matches.
GM A-Liang obtains an important number of victories. I haven't seen anyone else put the computer on the ropes like that before at the 1-0 bullet time level.
You must be looking at some old rating list. GM Awonder Liang is currently rated 2687 FIDE, both on the official list and on the "Live" rating list (his last tournament was a break-even for rating). He recently tied for second in the U.S. Championship, could have been clear second if he settled for a draw in the last round (in a winning position). About 12 years ago, he became the youngest player in the world to defeat a GM in a standard tournament game at age 9 (now the record is 8). The GM in question: me! He is planning to play a Rapid Knight Odds match with LeelaKnightOdds soon, we are just trying to find dates that work for all.
I see based on search that Leela won 25-8 with 3 draws that is 9.5/36
I am not surprised by the fact that Leela lost significant number of games.
He is a strong GM but but not the best GM and maybe he could do better.

In the following game he resigned for no good reason in a draw position.

Probably Leela could win on time but it is not something certain.

https://lichess.org/OdyHCnqv/black
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Uri Blass wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:04 am
lkaufman wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:43 pm
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:57 pm
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:48 pm
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:52 am
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:49 am
Marcus91 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:29 am
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 10:25 pm
Marcus91 wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:09 pm
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:14 pm
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I see based on search that Leela won 25-8 with 3 draws that is 9.5/36
I am not surprised by the fact that Leela lost significant number of games.
He is a strong GM but but not the best GM and maybe he could do better.

In the following game he resigned for no good reason in a draw position.

Probably Leela could win on time but it is not something certain.

https://lichess.org/OdyHCnqv/black
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...The invention of LeelaQueenOdds in the current state of the art, far exceeds any expectations... a few months ago I would have considered it a success that LeelaQueenOdds acquired the level of play of a first-class chess player, at any level and machine time control. Another option I would classify under the umbrella of that phrase that says: "You don't have to ask the elm for pears." Something like this... "You should not ask for a draw or victory from someone who plays without their queen." But no... it wasn't like that. The machine exceeded all expectations; It is making strong and very strong players sad in bullet levels, and giving beatings even with scores of 99 to 1 in favor of the computer to strong contending players. Now the question is? How far will LeelaQueenOdds go? Could it be then that the elm tree would begin to produce pear fruit?
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Uri Blass wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:04 am
lkaufman wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:43 pm
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:57 pm
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:48 pm
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:52 am
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:49 am
Marcus91 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:29 am
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 10:25 pm
Marcus91 wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:09 pm
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:14 pm It seems that fixing the bug change the table and now this is the table(I do not complain about reduction in the place of me that is logical but how it is possible that Catecan went down to 2291.9?)

You must be looking at some old rating list. GM Awonder Liang is currently rated 2687 FIDE, both on the official list and on the "Live" rating list (his last tournament was a break-even for rating). He recently tied for second in the U.S. Championship, could have been clear second if he settled for a draw in the last round (in a winning position). About 12 years ago, he became the youngest player in the world to defeat a GM in a standard tournament game at age 9 (now the record is 8). The GM in question: me! He is planning to play a Rapid Knight Odds match with LeelaKnightOdds soon, we are just trying to find dates that work for all.
I see based on search that Leela won 25-8 with 3 draws that is 9.5/36
I am not surprised by the fact that Leela lost significant number of games.
He is a strong GM but but not the best GM and maybe he could do better.

In the following game he resigned for no good reason in a draw position.

Probably Leela could win on time but it is not something certain.

https://lichess.org/OdyHCnqv/black
..I would not like to miss the advent of a historical event that has already occurred in the chess fight of man against machine. A human prodigy with a Fide rating of 2687 has faced the computer in a list of 36 bullet matches with no increase per move. Wanting to anticipate in the weighing of the three qualifications of the future concerning the human action, of the intervention of the human being in the future, in, "probable future," "necessary future" and "free future," I dare to think today about present time, that the result of a match of 100 bullet time games at one minute without increment, carried out against LeelaQueenOdds between one of the hundred best chess players in the world in the FIDE ranking, would look like this for the best of humans among those top 100: LeelaQueenOdds: 57
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I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Father wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 3:17 pm
Uri Blass wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:04 am
lkaufman wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:43 pm
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:57 pm
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:48 pm
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:52 am
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:49 am
Marcus91 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:29 am
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 10:25 pm
Marcus91 wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:09 pm
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:14 pm It seems that fixing the bug change the table and now this is the table(I do not complain about reduction in the place of me that is logical but how it is possible that Catecan went down to 2291.9?)

You must be looking at some old rating list. GM Awonder Liang is currently rated 2687 FIDE, both on the official list and on the "Live" rating list (his last tournament was a break-even for rating). He recently tied for second in the U.S. Championship, could have been clear second if he settled for a draw in the last round (in a winning position). About 12 years ago, he became the youngest player in the world to defeat a GM in a standard tournament game at age 9 (now the record is 8). The GM in question: me! He is planning to play a Rapid Knight Odds match with LeelaKnightOdds soon, we are just trying to find dates that work for all.
I see based on search that Leela won 25-8 with 3 draws that is 9.5/36
I am not surprised by the fact that Leela lost significant number of games.
He is a strong GM but but not the best GM and maybe he could do better.

In the following game he resigned for no good reason in a draw position.

Probably Leela could win on time but it is not something certain.

https://lichess.org/OdyHCnqv/black
..I would not like to miss the advent of a historical event that has already occurred in the chess fight of man against machine. A human prodigy with a Fide rating of 2687 has faced the computer in a list of 36 bullet matches with no increase per move. Wanting to anticipate in the weighing of the three qualifications of the future concerning the human action, of the intervention of the human being in the future, in, "probable future," "necessary future" and "free future," I dare to think today about present time, that the result of a match of 100 bullet time games at one minute without increment, carried out against LeelaQueenOdds between one of the hundred best chess players in the world in the FIDE ranking, would look like this for the best of humans among those top 100: LeelaQueenOdds: 57
Humanbeing 43
..I would not like to miss the advent of a historical event that has already occurred in the chess fight of man against machine. A human prodigy with a Fide rating of 2687 has faced the computer in a list of 36 bullet matches with no increase per move. Wanting to anticipate in the weighing of the three qualifications of the future concerning the human action, of the intervention of the human being in the future, in, "probable future," "necessary future" and "free future," I dare to think today about present time, that the result of a match of 100 bullet time games at one minute without increment, carried out against LeelaQueenOdds between one of the hundred best chess players in the world in the FIDE ranking, would look like this for the best of humans among those top 100: LeelaQueenOdds: 57
Humanbeing 43
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Father wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 3:18 pm
Father wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 3:17 pm
Uri Blass wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:04 am
lkaufman wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:43 pm
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:57 pm
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:48 pm
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:52 am
Father wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:49 am
Marcus91 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:29 am
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 10:25 pm
Marcus91 wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:09 pm
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:14 pm It seems that fixing the bug change the table and now this is the table(I do not complain about reduction in the place of me that is logical but how it is possible that Catecan went down to 2291.9?)

You must be looking at some old rating list. GM Awonder Liang is currently rated 2687 FIDE, both on the official list and on the "Live" rating list (his last tournament was a break-even for rating). He recently tied for second in the U.S. Championship, could have been clear second if he settled for a draw in the last round (in a winning position). About 12 years ago, he became the youngest player in the world to defeat a GM in a standard tournament game at age 9 (now the record is 8). The GM in question: me! He is planning to play a Rapid Knight Odds match with LeelaKnightOdds soon, we are just trying to find dates that work for all.
I see based on search that Leela won 25-8 with 3 draws that is 9.5/36
I am not surprised by the fact that Leela lost significant number of games.
He is a strong GM but but not the best GM and maybe he could do better.

In the following game he resigned for no good reason in a draw position.

Probably Leela could win on time but it is not something certain.

https://lichess.org/OdyHCnqv/black
..I would not like to miss the advent of a historical event that has already occurred in the chess fight of man against machine. A human prodigy with a Fide rating of 2687 has faced the computer in a list of 36 bullet matches with no increase per move. Wanting to anticipate in the weighing of the three qualifications of the future concerning the human action, of the intervention of the human being in the future, in, "probable future," "necessary future" and "free future," I dare to think today about present time, that the result of a match of 100 bullet time games at one minute without increment, carried out against LeelaQueenOdds between one of the hundred best chess players in the world in the FIDE ranking, would look like this for the best of humans among those top 100: LeelaQueenOdds: 57
Humanbeing 43
..I would not like to miss the advent of a historical event that has already occurred in the chess fight of man against machine. A human prodigy with a Fide rating of 2687 has faced the computer in a list of 36 bullet matches with no increase per move. Wanting to anticipate in the weighing of the three qualifications of the future concerning the human action, of the intervention of the human being in the future, in, "probable future," "necessary future" and "free future," I dare to think today about present time, that the result of a match of 100 bullet time games at one minute without increment, carried out against LeelaQueenOdds between one of the hundred best chess players in the world in the FIDE ranking, would look like this for the best of humans among those top 100: LeelaQueenOdds: 57
Humanbeing 43
...every day we observe, how, "new and brave warriors" face LeelaQueenOdds. The following is an example of a "brave warrior" combat...

[pgn]vent "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/smn5t7EC"]
[Date "2024.12.05"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Lu_Shanglei"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.12.05"]
[UTCTime "15:45:34"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "3113"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. g4 d5 3. g5 Ne4 4. d3 Nd6 5. Nc3 c6 6. h4 g6 7. h5 Bg7 8. Bd2 Bf5 9. O-O-O Nd7 10. Re1 Qb6 11. Na4 Qa6 12. h6 Qxa4 13. hxg7 Rg8 14. Kb1 Rxg7 15. Rh4 Qa6 16. Bc3 f6 17. gxf6 exf6 18. e4 dxe4 19. dxe4 Be6 20. Bxa6 bxa6 21. e5 fxe5 22. Nxe5 Nxe5 23. Bxe5 Rd7 24. Bf4 Nf5 25. Rhh1 Re7 26. Bg5 h5 27. Rhg1 Bf7 28. Rxe7+ Nxe7 29. Re1 { Black resigns. } 1-0[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Uri Blass wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:01 am
lkaufman wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:56 am
Uri Blass wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:45 am after additional losses in game 4 and game 5 I got a draw in game 6
Of course I knew that lc0 does not know my rating and is happy with a draw but it was relatively my best game with knight odds.

Maybe later I will try to win with a winning position but I am afraid I need more time for it to have practical chances and 5+3 is not enough.

https://lichess.org/0QdPn8LhnVov
The results in Rapid games (so slower than your games) since the Sep 28 upgrade, against players rated over 2500 only, are 54 wins for the bot, 5 draws, and ZERO losses. Performance rating in Rapid about 3060. No one over 1800 has won a single game of Rapid since the upgrade. Some players rated below that or unrated have "wins", but they invariably show 98 or 99% accuracy per Stockfish which is extremely implausible for players below 1800 Rapid on Lichess, so given that no one above 1800 has won I would assume these were all cheaters using Stockfish. It seems that only low rated and especially unrated players cheat, the higher rated ones have presumably played a lot without getting banned and would have more to lose by being banned, with nothing to gain since the games are unrated. But weak players apparently want to "brag" about "beating" a bot, even at knight odds and using an engine!!
It seems that the only player above rating 2000 who won against it in lichess is in blitz and it is AdmiralHabibi who got 1 win out of 146 games and lost in 139 games(he stopped playing against lc0 after the win).
...every day we observe, how, "new and brave warriors" face LeelaQueenOdds. The following is an example of a "brave warrior" combat...

[pgn] Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/smn5t7EC"]
[Date "2024.12.05"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Lu_Shanglei"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.12.05"]
[UTCTime "15:45:34"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "3113"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. g4 d5 3. g5 Ne4 4. d3 Nd6 5. Nc3 c6 6. h4 g6 7. h5 Bg7 8. Bd2 Bf5 9. O-O-O Nd7 10. Re1 Qb6 11. Na4 Qa6 12. h6 Qxa4 13. hxg7 Rg8 14. Kb1 Rxg7 15. Rh4 Qa6 16. Bc3 f6 17. gxf6 exf6 18. e4 dxe4 19. dxe4 Be6 20. Bxa6 bxa6 21. e5 fxe5 22. Nxe5 Nxe5 23. Bxe5 Rd7 24. Bf4 Nf5 25. Rhh1 Re7 26. Bg5 h5 27. Rhg1 Bf7 28. Rxe7+ Nxe7 29. Re1 { Black resigns. } 1-0[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

Post by Uri Blass »

My result against the queen odds version at 10+5 with white today was 24-10 and 4 draws(total rasult of 26-12 that is near 68.4% that is near 137 elo advantage or performance of 2120+137=2257

Note that I did not try to repeat wins with white and played different openings.

I stopped playing 15+10 with white after achieving 10 wins in a row at that level.
My total result against ir was 38-7 and 4 draws that is 40-9(near 81.6% that is near 257 elo advantage that is performance of 2027+257=2284)

Note that one of the losses on time was because of connection failure of the internet in time trouble in a winning position but I was still not sure about the result in that time.

In one of the draw Leela missed a win in KNN vs KP.

Here is the game
https://lichess.org/jXIbH72DCeAG
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Uri Blass wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 6:02 pm My result against the queen odds version at 10+5 with white today was 24-10 and 4 draws(total rasult of 26-12 that is near 68.4% that is near 137 elo advantage or performance of 2120+137=2257

Note that I did not try to repeat wins with white and played different openings.

I stopped playing 15+10 with white after achieving 10 wins in a row at that level.
My total result against ir was 38-7 and 4 draws that is 40-9(near 81.6% that is near 257 elo advantage that is performance of 2027+257=2284)

Note that one of the losses on time was because of connection failure of the internet in time trouble in a winning position but I was still not sure about the result in that time.

In one of the draw Leela missed a win in KNN vs KP.

Here is the game
https://lichess.org/jXIbH72DCeAG
Very good Uri, I really enjoy watching your games against LeelaqueenOdds, while they are in development and my stay on the page coincides. I have learned a lot from your strategic plans, they are clear and straight, basically "you take control of the space without fear" and then through liquidation maneuvers, you enter winning endings. As we would say when referring to the great world chess champion, Jose Raul Capablanca about his way of playing, "The difficult simplicity."
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

Post by Father »

Uri Blass wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 6:02 pm My result against the queen odds version at 10+5 with white today was 24-10 and 4 draws(total rasult of 26-12 that is near 68.4% that is near 137 elo advantage or performance of 2120+137=2257

Note that I did not try to repeat wins with white and played different openings.

I stopped playing 15+10 with white after achieving 10 wins in a row at that level.
My total result against ir was 38-7 and 4 draws that is 40-9(near 81.6% that is near 257 elo advantage that is performance of 2027+257=2284)

Note that one of the losses on time was because of connection failure of the internet in time trouble in a winning position but I was still not sure about the result in that time.

In one of the draw Leela missed a win in KNN vs KP.

Here is the game
https://lichess.org/jXIbH72DCeAG

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/ZTXNyFJp"]
[Date "2024.12.05"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "cramor"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.12.05"]
[UTCTime "17:31:10"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "3051"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. e3 c6 3. d3 Nf6 4. e4 e6 5. Nc3 Nbd7 6. e5 Ng4 7. d4 c5 8. Bf4 cxd4 9. Nb5 Qb6 10. h3 a6 11. hxg4 axb5 12. Be2 Bb4+ 13. Kf1 Bc5 14. Bd3 Be7 15. g5 Nc5 16. Bxh7 Ne4 17. g6 f5 18. g3 d3 19. Rh2 dxc2 20. Rc1 Rxa2 21. Rxc2 Bd7 22. Bh6 Bf8 23. Be3 Bc5 24. Bh6 Kf8 25. Ng5 Nxg5 26. Bxg5 b4 27. Kg2 b3 28. Rd2 Qb4 29. Rh4 Qxd2 30. Bxd2 Rxb2 31. Bb4 Rxf2+ 32. Kh3 Rc2 33. Bxc5+ Rxc5 34. Rb4 Rb5 35. Ra4 Ke7 36. Ra1 b2 37. Rb1 Rc8 38. g4 Rc1 39. gxf5 exf5 40. e6 Bxe6 41. Kg3 Rxb1 42. Kf2 Rc1 43. Kg3 b1=Q 44. Kh4 Qe4+ 45. Kg3 Rb3+ 46. Kh2 Rc2+ 47. Kg1 Rb1# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[/pgn]


...an anonymous gladiator entered the center of the arena, the ring, the human with a fearless attitude facing the beast, cornering it, leading it to collapse, to checkmate, and this, in a time of game control of a minute without increment. A real "cockfight", one of them electronic, the other, a human without signs of fear. The "cry" of the spectators could be heard in unison... "Cramor!! Cramor!! Cramor!!." Who is Cramor? could be heard clearly out loud
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.