Any compositions like this?

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Re: Any compositions like this?

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Thanks!
Dann Corbit wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:43 am The PDB server also has it:
https://pdb.dieschwalbe.de/search.jsp?e ... e2+wTf2%27
It says this puzzle was the longest known “Rambling Rook” problem. But now?? 8-)
Hobacle wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:39 am [pgn][Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "?"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1r4Q1/7p/2N1B2k/7P/3Pp1P1/K1N1P2R/PP2PR2/8 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "208"]
[EventDate "?"]

1... Rb3+ 2. Ka4 Rb4+ 3. Ka5 Rb5+ 4. Ka6 Rb6+ 5. Ka7 Rb7+ 6. Ka8 Ra7+ 7. Kb8
Rb7+ 8. Kc8 Rc7+ 9. Kd8 Rd7+ 10. Ke8 Re7+ 11. Kf8 Re8+ 12. Kf7 Re7+ 13. Kf6
Rf7+ 14. Ke5 Rf5+ 15. Kd6 Rd5+ 16. Ke7 Rd7+ 17. Kf8 Rd8+ 18. Kf7 Rd7+ 19. Ne7
Rxe7+ 20. Kf6 Rf7+ 21. Ke5 Rf5+ 22. Kd6 Rd5+ 23. Kc6 Rd6+ 24. Kb7 Rd7+ 25. Kb6
Rd6+ 26. Ka5 Rd5+ 27. Nb5 Rxb5+ 28. Ka6 Rb6+ 29. Ka7 Rb7+ 30. Ka8 Ra7+ 31. Kb8
Rb7+ 32. Kc8 Rc7+ 33. Kd8 Rd7+ 34. Ke8 Rd8+ 35. Ke7 Rd7+ 36. Kf6 Rf7+ 37. Ke5
Rf5+ 38. Kd6 Rd5+ 39. Kc6 Rd6+ 40. Kb7 Rd7+ 41. Kb6 Rd6+ 42. Ka5 Ra6+ 43. Kb4
Rb6+ 44. Kc3 Rb3+ 45. Kd2 Rxb2+ 46. Kc3 Rc2+ 47. Kb4 Rc4+ 48. Ka3 Ra4+ 49. Kb2
Rxa2+ 50. Kb3 Rb2+ 51. Kc4 Rc2+ 52. Kd5 Rc5+ 53. Kxe4 Re5+ 54. Kd3 Rxe3+ 55.
Kc4 Rc3+ 56. Kb4 Rc4+ 57. Ka3 Ra4+ 58. Kb2 Ra2+ 59. Kc3 Rc2+ 60. Kd3 Rc3+ 61.
Ke4 Re3+ 62. Kd5 Re5+ 63. Kc6 Rc5+ 64. Kd7 Rd5+ 65. Kc8 Rc5+ 66. Kd8 Rd5+ 67.
Bd7 Rxd7+ 68. Ke8 Re7+ 69. Kf8 Re8+ 70. Kf7 Re7+ 71. Kf6 Re6+ 72. Kf5 Re5+ 73.
Kf4 Re4+ 74. Kg3 Re3+ 75. Kh2 Rxh3+ 76. Kg1 Rg3+ 77. Rg2 Rxg2+ 78. Kf1 Rf2+ 79.
Ke1 Rxe2+ 80. Kd1 Rd2+ 81. Kc1 Rd1+ 82. Kb2 Rd2+ 83. Kc3 Rd3+ 84. Kc4 Rxd4+ 85.
Kc5 Rxg4 86. Qf7 Rg5+ 87. Kd6 Ra5 88. Qf3 Ra6+ 89. Ke5 Ra5+ 90. Kf4 Ra4+ 91.
Kg3 Ra5 92. Qf4+ Kxh5 93. Qg4+ Kh6 94. Kh4 Rb5 95. Qe6+ Kg7 96. Qd7+ Kf6 97.
Qxb5 Ke6 98. Qc5 Kd7 99. Kg5 Ke6 100. Kh6 Kd7 101. Kxh7 Kd8 102. Kg6 Kd7 103.
Kf6 Kd8 104. Ke6 Ke8 105. Qe7# 1-0
[/pgn]

Looks fantastic! Where is it from?
Of course I made some mistakes.
Last edited by Hobacle on Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:38 am, edited 1 time in total.
peter
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Re: Any compositions like this?

Post by peter »

Dann Corbit wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:40 am
Hobacle wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:39 am
fishpov wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:54 am [d]1r4Q1/7p/2N1B2k/7P/3Pp1P1/K1N1P2R/PP2PR2/8 b - - 0 1
.. Rb3+
[pgn][Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "?"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1r4Q1/7p/2N1B2k/7P/3Pp1P1/K1N1P2R/PP2PR2/8 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "208"]
[EventDate "?"]

1... Rb3+ 2. Ka4 Rb4+ 3. Ka5 Rb5+ 4. Ka6 Rb6+ 5. Ka7 Rb7+ 6. Ka8 Ra7+ 7. Kb8
Rb7+ 8. Kc8 Rc7+ 9. Kd8 Rd7+ 10. Ke8 Re7+ 11. Kf8 Re8+ 12. Kf7 Re7+ 13. Kf6
Rf7+ 14. Ke5 Rf5+ 15. Kd6 Rd5+ 16. Ke7 Rd7+ 17. Kf8 Rd8+ 18. Kf7 Rd7+ 19. Ne7
Rxe7+ 20. Kf6 Rf7+ 21. Ke5 Rf5+ 22. Kd6 Rd5+ 23. Kc6 Rd6+ 24. Kb7 Rd7+ 25. Kb6
Rd6+ 26. Ka5 Rd5+ 27. Nb5 Rxb5+ 28. Ka6 Rb6+ 29. Ka7 Rb7+ 30. Ka8 Ra7+ 31. Kb8
Rb7+ 32. Kc8 Rc7+ 33. Kd8 Rd7+ 34. Ke8 Rd8+ 35. Ke7 Rd7+ 36. Kf6 Rf7+ 37. Ke5
Rf5+ 38. Kd6 Rd5+ 39. Kc6 Rd6+ 40. Kb7 Rd7+ 41. Kb6 Rd6+ 42. Ka5 Ra6+ 43. Kb4
Rb6+ 44. Kc3 Rb3+ 45. Kd2 Rxb2+ 46. Kc3 Rc2+ 47. Kb4 Rc4+ 48. Ka3 Ra4+ 49. Kb2
Rxa2+ 50. Kb3 Rb2+ 51. Kc4 Rc2+ 52. Kd5 Rc5+ 53. Kxe4 Re5+ 54. Kd3 Rxe3+ 55.
Kc4 Rc3+ 56. Kb4 Rc4+ 57. Ka3 Ra4+ 58. Kb2 Ra2+ 59. Kc3 Rc2+ 60. Kd3 Rc3+ 61.
Ke4 Re3+ 62. Kd5 Re5+ 63. Kc6 Rc5+ 64. Kd7 Rd5+ 65. Kc8 Rc5+ 66. Kd8 Rd5+ 67.
Bd7 Rxd7+ 68. Ke8 Re7+ 69. Kf8 Re8+ 70. Kf7 Re7+ 71. Kf6 Re6+ 72. Kf5 Re5+ 73.
Kf4 Re4+ 74. Kg3 Re3+ 75. Kh2 Rxh3+ 76. Kg1 Rg3+ 77. Rg2 Rxg2+ 78. Kf1 Rf2+ 79.
Ke1 Rxe2+ 80. Kd1 Rd2+ 81. Kc1 Rd1+ 82. Kb2 Rd2+ 83. Kc3 Rd3+ 84. Kc4 Rxd4+ 85.
Kc5 Rxg4 86. Qf7 Rg5+ 87. Kd6 Ra5 88. Qf3 Ra6+ 89. Ke5 Ra5+ 90. Kf4 Ra4+ 91.
Kg3 Ra5 92. Qf4+ Kxh5 93. Qg4+ Kh6 94. Kh4 Rb5 95. Qe6+ Kg7 96. Qd7+ Kf6 97.
Qxb5 Ke6 98. Qc5 Kd7 99. Kg5 Ke6 100. Kh6 Kd7 101. Kxh7 Kd8 102. Kg6 Kd7 103.
Kf6 Kd8 104. Ke6 Ke8 105. Qe7# 1-0
[/pgn]

Looks fantastic! Where is it from?
https://www.yacpdb.org/#search/MXI0UTE3 ... MS8xLzA=/1
Yacpdb and the PDB server are great places to look for sources.
Then arves.org is your next best bet
But just to show that CCC isn't a bad place to look for puzzles neither, this Van Breukelen- study has been round here already several times too, in my database first entry's from 2015, maybe frome there then:

http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... 05#p847305

Next thread was here then:

http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... 54#p672254

The HTC (HardTalkchess) collections from Vincent Lejeune always are databases to look for puzzles too, here the study was in one of the collections under investigation then:

http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... 17#p757317

More threads:

http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... 39#p729639

http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... 94#p704094

http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... 18#p623318

All these I found over forum- search, always be sure to exclude the move- number in fen at the end, otherwise error of too much signs arises regards
Peter.
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Re: Any compositions like this?

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Hobacle wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:23 am Thanks!
Dann Corbit wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:43 am The PDB server also has it:
https://pdb.dieschwalbe.de/search.jsp?e ... e2+wTf2%27
It says this puzzle was the longest known “Rambling Rook” problem. But now?? 8-)
Hobacle wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:39 am [pgn][Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "?"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1r4Q1/7p/2N1B2k/7P/3Pp1P1/K1N1P2R/PP2PR2/8 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "208"]
[EventDate "?"]

1... Rb3+ 2. Ka4 Rb4+ 3. Ka5 Rb5+ 4. Ka6 Rb6+ 5. Ka7 Rb7+ 6. Ka8 Ra7+ 7. Kb8
Rb7+ 8. Kc8 Rc7+ 9. Kd8 Rd7+ 10. Ke8 Re7+ 11. Kf8 Re8+ 12. Kf7 Re7+ 13. Kf6
Rf7+ 14. Ke5 Rf5+ 15. Kd6 Rd5+ 16. Ke7 Rd7+ 17. Kf8 Rd8+ 18. Kf7 Rd7+ 19. Ne7
Rxe7+ 20. Kf6 Rf7+ 21. Ke5 Rf5+ 22. Kd6 Rd5+ 23. Kc6 Rd6+ 24. Kb7 Rd7+ 25. Kb6
Rd6+ 26. Ka5 Rd5+ 27. Nb5 Rxb5+ 28. Ka6 Rb6+ 29. Ka7 Rb7+ 30. Ka8 Ra7+ 31. Kb8
Rb7+ 32. Kc8 Rc7+ 33. Kd8 Rd7+ 34. Ke8 Rd8+ 35. Ke7 Rd7+ 36. Kf6 Rf7+ 37. Ke5
Rf5+ 38. Kd6 Rd5+ 39. Kc6 Rd6+ 40. Kb7 Rd7+ 41. Kb6 Rd6+ 42. Ka5 Ra6+ 43. Kb4
Rb6+ 44. Kc3 Rb3+ 45. Kd2 Rxb2+ 46. Kc3 Rc2+ 47. Kb4 Rc4+ 48. Ka3 Ra4+ 49. Kb2
Rxa2+ 50. Kb3 Rb2+ 51. Kc4 Rc2+ 52. Kd5 Rc5+ 53. Kxe4 Re5+ 54. Kd3 Rxe3+ 55.
Kc4 Rc3+ 56. Kb4 Rc4+ 57. Ka3 Ra4+ 58. Kb2 Ra2+ 59. Kc3 Rc2+ 60. Kd3 Rc3+ 61.
Ke4 Re3+ 62. Kd5 Re5+ 63. Kc6 Rc5+ 64. Kd7 Rd5+ 65. Kc8 Rc5+ 66. Kd8 Rd5+ 67.
Bd7 Rxd7+ 68. Ke8 Re7+ 69. Kf8 Re8+ 70. Kf7 Re7+ 71. Kf6 Re6+ 72. Kf5 Re5+ 73.
Kf4 Re4+ 74. Kg3 Re3+ 75. Kh2 Rxh3+ 76. Kg1 Rg3+ 77. Rg2 Rxg2+ 78. Kf1 Rf2+ 79.
Ke1 Rxe2+ 80. Kd1 Rd2+ 81. Kc1 Rd1+ 82. Kb2 Rd2+ 83. Kc3 Rd3+ 84. Kc4 Rxd4+ 85.
Kc5 Rxg4 86. Qf7 Rg5+ 87. Kd6 Ra5 88. Qf3 Ra6+ 89. Ke5 Ra5+ 90. Kf4 Ra4+ 91.
Kg3 Ra5 92. Qf4+ Kxh5 93. Qg4+ Kh6 94. Kh4 Rb5 95. Qe6+ Kg7 96. Qd7+ Kf6 97.
Qxb5 Ke6 98. Qc5 Kd7 99. Kg5 Ke6 100. Kh6 Kd7 101. Kxh7 Kd8 102. Kg6 Kd7 103.
Kf6 Kd8 104. Ke6 Ke8 105. Qe7# 1-0
[/pgn]

Looks fantastic! Where is it from?
Of course I made some mistakes.
In my database it's #117, but didn't check again neither. Sometimes it's better not to be too nitpicking as for such details of no real matter to a study being not a mate in x problem
:)
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Re: Any compositions like this?

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peter wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:50 am
Hobacle wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:23 am Thanks!
Dann Corbit wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:43 am The PDB server also has it:
https://pdb.dieschwalbe.de/search.jsp?e ... e2+wTf2%27
It says this puzzle was the longest known “Rambling Rook” problem. But now?? 8-)
Hobacle wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:39 am [pgn][Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "?"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1r4Q1/7p/2N1B2k/7P/3Pp1P1/K1N1P2R/PP2PR2/8 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "208"]
[EventDate "?"]

1... Rb3+ 2. Ka4 Rb4+ 3. Ka5 Rb5+ 4. Ka6 Rb6+ 5. Ka7 Rb7+ 6. Ka8 Ra7+ 7. Kb8
Rb7+ 8. Kc8 Rc7+ 9. Kd8 Rd7+ 10. Ke8 Re7+ 11. Kf8 Re8+ 12. Kf7 Re7+ 13. Kf6
Rf7+ 14. Ke5 Rf5+ 15. Kd6 Rd5+ 16. Ke7 Rd7+ 17. Kf8 Rd8+ 18. Kf7 Rd7+ 19. Ne7
Rxe7+ 20. Kf6 Rf7+ 21. Ke5 Rf5+ 22. Kd6 Rd5+ 23. Kc6 Rd6+ 24. Kb7 Rd7+ 25. Kb6
Rd6+ 26. Ka5 Rd5+ 27. Nb5 Rxb5+ 28. Ka6 Rb6+ 29. Ka7 Rb7+ 30. Ka8 Ra7+ 31. Kb8
Rb7+ 32. Kc8 Rc7+ 33. Kd8 Rd7+ 34. Ke8 Rd8+ 35. Ke7 Rd7+ 36. Kf6 Rf7+ 37. Ke5
Rf5+ 38. Kd6 Rd5+ 39. Kc6 Rd6+ 40. Kb7 Rd7+ 41. Kb6 Rd6+ 42. Ka5 Ra6+ 43. Kb4
Rb6+ 44. Kc3 Rb3+ 45. Kd2 Rxb2+ 46. Kc3 Rc2+ 47. Kb4 Rc4+ 48. Ka3 Ra4+ 49. Kb2
Rxa2+ 50. Kb3 Rb2+ 51. Kc4 Rc2+ 52. Kd5 Rc5+ 53. Kxe4 Re5+ 54. Kd3 Rxe3+ 55.
Kc4 Rc3+ 56. Kb4 Rc4+ 57. Ka3 Ra4+ 58. Kb2 Ra2+ 59. Kc3 Rc2+ 60. Kd3 Rc3+ 61.
Ke4 Re3+ 62. Kd5 Re5+ 63. Kc6 Rc5+ 64. Kd7 Rd5+ 65. Kc8 Rc5+ 66. Kd8 Rd5+ 67.
Bd7 Rxd7+ 68. Ke8 Re7+ 69. Kf8 Re8+ 70. Kf7 Re7+ 71. Kf6 Re6+ 72. Kf5 Re5+ 73.
Kf4 Re4+ 74. Kg3 Re3+ 75. Kh2 Rxh3+ 76. Kg1 Rg3+ 77. Rg2 Rxg2+ 78. Kf1 Rf2+ 79.
Ke1 Rxe2+ 80. Kd1 Rd2+ 81. Kc1 Rd1+ 82. Kb2 Rd2+ 83. Kc3 Rd3+ 84. Kc4 Rxd4+ 85.
Kc5 Rxg4 86. Qf7 Rg5+ 87. Kd6 Ra5 88. Qf3 Ra6+ 89. Ke5 Ra5+ 90. Kf4 Ra4+ 91.
Kg3 Ra5 92. Qf4+ Kxh5 93. Qg4+ Kh6 94. Kh4 Rb5 95. Qe6+ Kg7 96. Qd7+ Kf6 97.
Qxb5 Ke6 98. Qc5 Kd7 99. Kg5 Ke6 100. Kh6 Kd7 101. Kxh7 Kd8 102. Kg6 Kd7 103.
Kf6 Kd8 104. Ke6 Ke8 105. Qe7# 1-0
[/pgn]

Looks fantastic! Where is it from?
Of course I made some mistakes.
In my database it's #117, but didn't check again neither. Sometimes it's better not to be too nitpicking as for such details of no real matter to a study, being not a mate in x problem
:)
Some of my mistakes, such as 23. Kc6?, are serious. I will correct my solution when my headache gets better.
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Re: Any compositions like this?

Post by Dann Corbit »

In addition, a study often follows a theme. If following the theme works 100% then it is probably better for humans to do it that way anyway.
I remember a windmill mate like that where there was a shorter solution but clearly harder to execute than the thematic solution.
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Re: Any compositions like this?

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Hobacle wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:23 am
Dann Corbit wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:43 am The PDB server also has it:
https://pdb.dieschwalbe.de/search.jsp?e ... e2+wTf2%27
It says this puzzle was the longest known “Rambling Rook” problem. But now?? 8-)
Now I just wonder if I broke the world record 8-)
That's cool 8-)