Engine test in the Sicilian Najdorf

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Uri
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Engine test in the Sicilian Najdorf

Post by Uri »

Does your engine see 17.Qg2 is this position?

[d]2rqnr2/3bb1pk/p1nppp2/7P/1p1NP3/2N1BP2/PPPQ4/2KR1BR1 w - - 0 17

Here's the game...

[Event "Rated game, 1m + 0s"]
[Site "Main Playing Hall"]
[Date "2008.05.15"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Dhasavatharam"]
[Black "Eris"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B80"]
[WhiteElo "1229"]
[BlackElo "1208"]
[PlyCount "39"]
[EventDate "2008.05.16"]
[TimeControl "60"]

1. e4 {1} c5 {1} 2. Nf3 {0} d6 {1} 3. d4 {0} cxd4 {1} 4. Nxd4 {0} Nf6 {1} 5.
Nc3 {0} a6 {1} 6. Be3 {0} e6 {1} 7. Qd2 {0} Be7 {1} 8. f3 {1} O-O {1} 9. O-O-O
{0} Nc6 {1} 10. g4 {1} Bd7 {1} 11. h4 {3} Rc8 {4} 12. Rg1 {2} b5 {2} 13. g5 {1}
Ne8 {1} 14. h5 {3} b4 {11} 15. g6 {7} f6 {9} 16. gxh7+ {1} Kxh7 {1} 17. Qg2 {7}
bxc3 {6} 18. Qg6+ {2} Kh8 {4} 19. h6 {2} gxh6 {6} 20. Qxh6# {
(Lag: Av=1.41s, max=2.1s) 3} 1-0
Dirt
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Re: Engine test in the Sicilian Najdorf

Post by Dirt »

Uri wrote:Does your engine see 17.Qg2 is this position?

[d]2rqnr2/3bb1pk/p1nppp2/7P/1p1NP3/2N1BP2/PPPQ4/2KR1BR1 w - - 0 17

Here's the game...

[Event "Rated game, 1m + 0s"]
[Site "Main Playing Hall"]
[Date "2008.05.15"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Dhasavatharam"]
[Black "Eris"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B80"]
[WhiteElo "1229"]
[BlackElo "1208"]
[PlyCount "39"]
[EventDate "2008.05.16"]
[TimeControl "60"]

1. e4 {1} c5 {1} 2. Nf3 {0} d6 {1} 3. d4 {0} cxd4 {1} 4. Nxd4 {0} Nf6 {1} 5.
Nc3 {0} a6 {1} 6. Be3 {0} e6 {1} 7. Qd2 {0} Be7 {1} 8. f3 {1} O-O {1} 9. O-O-O
{0} Nc6 {1} 10. g4 {1} Bd7 {1} 11. h4 {3} Rc8 {4} 12. Rg1 {2} b5 {2} 13. g5 {1}
Ne8 {1} 14. h5 {3} b4 {11} 15. g6 {7} f6 {9} 16. gxh7+ {1} Kxh7 {1} 17. Qg2 {7}
bxc3 {6} 18. Qg6+ {2} Kh8 {4} 19. h6 {2} gxh6 {6} 20. Qxh6# {
(Lag: Av=1.41s, max=2.1s) 3} 1-0
Perhaps a better question would be whether it can find 17...Kg8 after 17. Qg2, or do you have a line showing that this is significantly worse for black than 17. Nce2 would have been?
Dirt
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Location: Irvine, CA, USA

Re: Engine test in the Sicilian Najdorf

Post by Dirt »

Looking closer, 17. Qg2 Kg8 18. Nce2 does look better.
Uri
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Re: Engine test in the Sicilian Najdorf

Post by Uri »

Dirt wrote:Perhaps a better question would be whether it can find 17...Kg8 after 17. Qg2, or do you have a line showing that this is significantly worse for black than 17. Nce2 would have been?
Unfortunately i don't. Black is in a bad position. Even Toga II 1.4.2JD doesn't find good moves for black in this position so I have no chance. After 17.Qg2 Shredder 10 recommends 17...Kg8 18.Nce2 e5 19.Nf5 Bxf5 20.exf5 Qa5 21.Ka1 b3 22.cxb3 and black should better resign in this bad position. So even the engines don't know how to save black.