Apply for World Computer Rapid Chess Champs - IN THIS THREAD

[CRoberson]

According to a few people, they have been sending me email for
days and it didn't get through. I have been receiving from others,
but there could still be some problem with my ISP. I don't have any
spam protection on my machines as I've not seen a single one that
I thought didn't over do it.

So, to be safe apply via this thread. There are two days left to
register. Registration ends at 10 pm Eastern USA time (NY time
and ICC Server time) on Friday.

[Mike S.]

The ACCA should think about why their events are ignored in the rest of the world. Either you are perfectly happy with this situation (in that case you don't need to change anything and the rest of the world will continue to ignore you; congratulations), OR you need better PR.

[Zach Wegner]

Where on earth did you get that idea? USA has the most participants of any country--true. But almost 2/3 of the participants are outside the US. Not exactly what I would call "ignored". I'm quite happy with the list of participants, and also with the increased participation of the US, which IIRC was one of the main points of the ACCA.

[Tord Romstad]

The ACCA should think about why their events are ignored in the rest of the world. Either you are perfectly happy with this situation (in that case you don't need to change anything and the rest of the world will continue to ignore you; congratulations), OR you need better PR.

What? Ignored in the rest of the world??

To me, the tournament looks like a tremendous success. There are lots of participants, most of them not from the Americas, and the thread about the tournament is currently among the most active ones on this forum.

Tord

[Mike S.]

Where on earth did you get that idea?

Because I live outside of the USA and I read computer chess message boards which are outside of the USA. I did mention ACCA events on these, and did not get any replies. For example, european fans did not seem interested. Nobody else did ever mention ACCA events there.

Europe produces the strongest chess programs.

Don't get me wrong: I do appreciate a lot that there is an ACCA and their activities. But it is clear that until now, ACCA has no significance in the international computer chess world. Whatever ACCA competitions happen: The rest of the word simply ignores it. Maybe there are a few postings in CCC, but that's it. No other echo. American computer chess deserves something better. So you need to think about how to spread your news to more people. - Or keep happy to be limited to a small audience.

I want that the Americas and their good chess programs are not forgotten in the computer chess world. But if you want the same, you need to do more. Because now, Fritz, Shredder, Rybka (c) by an american in Budapest, rule the scene. USA is nowhere in this list.

[Tord Romstad]

Where on earth did you get that idea?

Because I live outside of the USA and I read computer chess message boards which are outside of the USA. I did mention ACCA events on these, and did not get any replies. For example, european fans did not seem interested. Nobody else did ever mention ACCA events there.

You don't see a lot of people discussing the other three upcoming tournaments in the next three weeks either (Richard's tournament, the IOPCCC and the qualification tournament for Mainz). To me, it actually looks like the WCRCCC receives more attention than all the others combined.

It is true that most people don't care about any of these four tournament. This is natural. Computer chess tournaments just aren't all that interesting except to the participants. Their main function is to serve as a way for the programmers and other interested people to socialize. As sporting events, they are worthless, because the number of games is always two orders of magnitude too small, and because everybody uses different hardware.

I want that the Americas and their good chess programs are not forgotten in the computer chess world. But if you want the same, you need to do more. Because now, Fritz, Shredder, Rybka (c) by an american in Budapest, rule the scene. USA is nowhere in this list.

Perhaps Fritz, Shredder and Rybka rule your scene. Crafty, an American program, rules my scene. I think Crafty is the best and most important chess program under active development today.

Tord

[Mike S.]

Crafty, an American program, rules my scene.

I see. - So I need to reduce my expectations for Glaurung, or whatever name you choose next time. Thanks for telling me that.

[Tord Romstad]

Crafty, an American program, rules my scene.

I see. - So I need to reduce my expectations for Glaurung, or whatever name you choose next time. Thanks for telling me that.

That depends on what your expectations are -- different people look for very different things in a chess program. If you are expecting a complete, full-featured chess program which runs on all modern operating systems, has advanced analysis and learning functions, is extremely fast, performs well against humans, and runs well on supercomputers (i.e. something similar to Crafty), you should reduce your expectations. If you are happy with a moderately fast UCI engine without any bells and whistles and a basic, but readable and efficient parallel search, I hope you'll be happy with future Glaurung versions.

Crafty and Glaurung is written with entirely different goals. Both are reasonably successful at what they do. Crafty is a vastly more ambitious project and a much more impressive programming achievement, but this doesn't necessarily mean that it is better than Glaurung for everybody and for all purposes.

I think it is hard to dispute, however, that Crafty is the most important and influential chess program in the last 20 years.

Tord

[Marc Lacrosse]

Crafty and Glaurung is written with entirely different goals. Both are reasonably successful at what they do. Crafty is a vastly more ambitious project and a much more impressive programming achievement, but this doesn't necessarily mean that it is better than Glaurung for everybody and for all purposes.

I think it is hard to dispute, however, that Crafty is the most important and influential chess program in the last 20 years.

Tord

Being an unconditional fan of both programs i entirely support this !

Crafty, Yace, Fruit, Glaurung.

What else ?

Marc

PS maybe Toga after so many years in quarantine ? ....
maybe ProDeo ? ...

[bob]

The ACCA should think about why their events are ignored in the rest of the world. Either you are perfectly happy with this situation (in that case you don't need to change anything and the rest of the world will continue to ignore you; congratulations), OR you need better PR.

What makes you think they are "ignored"??? The ICGA WCCC is ignored far more than this, based on the number of participants in each event...