Turn Out the Lights, the Party's Over

[geots]

By this post (my last on this subject- so no replies), I called my wife to read a few threads and told her it was time to do the above now on the Vas/Rybka issue. I havent a clue what brought Alex K. (he wants it "K", so i will leave it as such) and John Sidles into this issue, or what alerted them. But in issues such as we are in- do not tackle them- you will live to regret it. You have not even a clue who you are dealing with here.

I Warned You Regards,

George

[bob]

By this post (my last on this subject- so no replies), I called my wife to read a few threads and told her it was time to do the above now on the Vas/Rybka issue. I havent a clue what brought Alex K. (he wants it "K", so i will leave it as such) and John Sidles into this issue, or what alerted them. But in issues such as we are in- do not tackle them- you will live to regret it. You have not even a clue who you are dealing with here.

I Warned You Regards,

George

Boy, now I am trembling in my boots. Two people that have absolutely no idea about the process of compiling and then de-compiling, based on their comments. yeah, we should all be very afraid...

[John]

I have to agree with Bob on this ... not even our cat fears me.

I have followed this newsgroup for many years ... enjoying it, but posting very seldom.

I only started posting on this one topic, because the departure from traditional scientific norms was (IMHO) so marked, that it risked harming a community that I value.

[bob]

I have to agree with Bob on this ... not even our cat fears me.

I have followed this newsgroup for many years ... enjoying it, but posting very seldom.

I only started posting on this one topic, because the departure from traditional scientific norms was (IMHO) so marked, that it risked harming a community that I value.

I don't fear anyone in this kind of technical discussion. I have spent a lifetime in this specific area and know it well. And that is not meant to be insulting in any way, it is just a simple statement of fact. I look at more C to assembly translations in a week than most of the contributors to this thread have seen in their lifetime, because I want to continually find the most efficient way to write C code to produce the fastest possible assembly language. I teach an assembly language course every semester, where we often write programs in C in class, and then translate them to assembly language. It is not a "creative art". It is a simple, well-defined process.

The problem here is that there are several complex processes to deal with that take time. Going from raw machine language back to C is a pain. Because you have to understand what the machine language is doing, something made more difficult without variable and procedure names. But it can be done given some time. And then there is the semantical equivalence analysis. Again, well-understood, but time-consuming.

If simple order issues were all that one needed to break semantic equivalence, students would have free rein to plagiarize code and then change variable names, convert a few lines here into a function, re-order some lines over here than have no data/name/control dependences that prevent such, and voila', a new program is born. Except that we have to catch these, and do, regularly. It is less frequent today, because for me, "the word has gotten out."

So, it is a dead-accurate process, but also a dead-slow process. Can't help the latter.

[RegicideX]

Boy, now I am trembling in my boots. Two people that have absolutely no idea about the process of compiling and then de-compiling, based on their comments. yeah, we should all be very afraid...

It's funny that you misread the initial post. At least we know it's a systematic thing.

[bob]

Boy, now I am trembling in my boots. Two people that have absolutely no idea about the process of compiling and then de-compiling, based on their comments. yeah, we should all be very afraid...

It's funny that you misread the initial post. At least we know it's a systematic thing.

What did I "misread". this is all that there was:

By this post (my last on this subject- so no replies), I called my wife to read a few threads and told her it was time to do the above now on the Vas/Rybka issue. I havent a clue what brought Alex K. (he wants it "K", so i will leave it as such) and John Sidles into this issue, or what alerted them. But in issues such as we are in- do not tackle them- you will live to regret it. You have not even a clue who you are dealing with here.

I Warned You Regards,

George

Please point out whatever it was you think I missed. And let's see if the "systemic misreading" is on my part, or perhaps yours... I don't think my post is that hard to understand and it was not ambiguous at all. so... ???

And before you respond, the quote above _was_ the initial post in this thread... the entire post.

your turn...

[RegicideX]

Please point out whatever it was you think I missed.

For instance, that we --me and John Sidles-- are the one that are "warned," not you.

But it was a passing remark in response to your sniping -- in what looks to be a completely content-free thread.

[tiger]

By this post (my last on this subject- so no replies), I called my wife to read a few threads and told her it was time to do the above now on the Vas/Rybka issue. I havent a clue what brought Alex K. (he wants it "K", so i will leave it as such) and John Sidles into this issue, or what alerted them. But in issues such as we are in- do not tackle them- you will live to regret it. You have not even a clue who you are dealing with here.

I Warned You Regards,

George

I find John Slides and Alex K contributions reasonable and I think they are the kind we needed since a long time.

I much prefer their contributions than the repeated ad hominem attacks we have seen previously and the constant obstruction from another person.



// Christophe

[Eelco de Groot]

Hi George, take it easy! When I read some of your posts if fear for your heart! Things wil work themselves out, I'm sure.

Personally, maybe it's just me but I have not really seen anything new about Rybka that I did not already thought was true. It would not change my feelings about the program or the way Vas runs his company.

Besides Vas has taken pecautions and moved to Warsaw. Soon he will be protected by a state of the art American rocketshield! And he can always decide to escape into the woods. Some of the oldest woods in Europe there. They will never find him there. And a great environment for thinking about programming, with no outside disturbances, radio, television, cars or internet Wifi spots for miles around. Just you and nature and your thoughts, nothing else matters. Well, maybe Iweta can come along. A month of this and he comes back with a new program that will silence all critics for good!



Regards,
Eelco


Wisents in a wintry forest, Bialowieza National Park in Poland

[gerold]

By this post (my last on this subject- so no replies), I called my wife to read a few threads and told her it was time to do the above now on the Vas/Rybka issue. I havent a clue what brought Alex K. (he wants it "K", so i will leave it as such) and John Sidles into this issue, or what alerted them. But in issues such as we are in- do not tackle them- you will live to regret it. You have not even a clue who you are dealing with here.

I Warned You Regards,

George

Its Monday morning George. May the party continue. Very good
talks on this subject is still taking place. Maybe in 10 more days
there will be some more ans.

Very best to you,

Gerold.

P.S. Remember its not over till its over.