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Tigran Petrosian_selected positions_01

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_Petrosian, T.-Spassky, B.
Moscow 1966
White's 41th Move


[d]4r3/6bk/p5pp/P7/3PpP2/q2bB2P/6BK/3RQ3 w - - 0 41


41.h4!! Qd6 42.h5! g5

Can your engine find Petrosian's excellent move and why is it so strong!?
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Re: Tigran Petrosian_selected positions_01

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:_Petrosian, T.-Spassky, B.
Moscow 1966
White's 41th Move


[d]4r3/6bk/p5pp/P7/3PpP2/q2bB2P/6BK/3RQ3 w - - 0 41


41.h4!! Qd6 42.h5! g5
While we are waiting for the high powered engines to weigh in on this position.. i have two dedicated computers pondering away on it

the Exalibur King Arthur Deluxe wants to play Rc1 returning a score of +.6
while the Mephisto Master also wants to play Rc1 but it believes it is behind -.9

i shall let them run for several more hours and if anything changes(unlikely) i will report back

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Re: Tigran Petrosian_selected positions_01

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Thanks Steve,it's a tough position indeed....
BTW,a lot of strong commercial engines also find Rc1 as the best move,so your babies are doing just fine till now....Mephisto Master is a little bit more accurate as the black are slightly better in this position although the game ended with a draw....

P.S.I have more than 664 games of Petrosian which I will go through and post the most interesting positions,I am afraid that I'll fry most of your units though :lol:
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Re: Tigran Petrosian_selected positions_01

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Well after over 8 hours they both are sticking with Rc1
the Master hit 14 ply and shows
1.Rc1 Qd6 2.Qc3 Qd7 Eval..-.9

King Arthur managed to hit 8 ply .. still sticking to Rc1 but his Majesty did come down to an Eval of +.4 from +.6

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Re: Tigran Petrosian_selected positions_01

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Thanks Steve,it's a tough position indeed....
BTW,a lot of strong commercial engines also find Rc1 as the best move,so your babies are doing just fine till now....Mephisto Master is a little bit more accurate as the black are slightly better in this position although the game ended with a draw....

P.S.I have more than 664 games of Petrosian which I will go through and post the most interesting positions,I am afraid that I'll fry most of your units though :lol:
my units will probably not find any of Petrosians surprising and winning moves
but ..
will the top rated ..high powered engines ..running on dual cores,quads and Octos find them?
remember these moves were made under tournament time controls of 40/2
if we set a time limit of say 3 minutes to move
i say that the Rybkas and Fritz's of today will not find many of them either

Unless they are obvious recaptures regards
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Re: Tigran Petrosian_selected positions_01

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From my quad core running linux. Using wine to run Arena.


FEN: 4r3/6bk/p5pp/P7/3PpP2/q2bB2P/6BK/3RQ3 w - - 0 41

Zappa Mexico II:
8/26 00:00 158.715 778.015 -0.60 Rd1c1 Qa3e7 Rc1c6 Re8d8 Qe1c3 Rd8d7 Qc3c5 Qe7h4
8/26 00:00 177.951 760.474 -0.60 Rd1c1 Qa3e7 Rc1c6 Re8d8 Qe1c3 Rd8d7 Qc3c5
9/30 00:00 456.460 881.197 -0.54 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Re8d8 Qc3c7 Qd6d5 Rc1c6 Rd8d7
9/30 00:01 470.866 849.939 -0.54 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Re8d8 Qc3c7 Qd6d5 Rc1c6
10/30 00:01 1.277.086 982.374 -0.57 Rd1c1 Re8d8 Rc1c7 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Rd8d7 Rc7c6 Qd6d5 Qc3xd3 e4xd3 Bg2xd5 Rd7xd5 Rc6xa6 Bg7xd4
10/30 00:01 1.312.544 966.527 -0.57 Rd1c1 Re8d8 Rc1c7 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Rd8d7 Rc7c6
11/35 00:02 2.438.702 990.135 -0.57 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Re7e6 Rc6c7 Qa2xa5
11/35 00:03 2.546.778 981.796 -0.57 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Re7e6 Rc6c7 Qa2xa5
12/35 00:04 3.799.153 1.013.648 -0.49 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Re7e6 Rc6c5 Bd3b5 Rc5c7
12/37 00:04 3.998.567 1.009.484 -0.49 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Re7e6 Rc6c5 Bd3b5 Rc5c7
13/42 00:11 11.480.252 1.074.528 -0.44 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1h4 Re7f7 Qh4g4 Rf7f6 Rc6c7 Rf6f5
13/42 00:11 11.809.248 1.072.203 -0.44 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1h4 Re7f7 Qh4g4 Rf7f6 Rc6c7 Rf6f5
14/46 00:16 17.267.469 1.065.499 -0.46 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Qa2f7 h3h4 Re7b7 d4d5 Rb7b2 Kh2h1
14/46 00:17 18.047.424 1.066.507 -0.46 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Qa2f7 h3h4 Re7b7 d4d5 Rb7b2 Kh2h1
15/46 00:31 34.223.361 1.088.806 -0.44 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Re7e6 Rc6c5 Bg7f8 Rc5c7+ Re6e7 Rc7c6 Re7g7 Rc6c8 Bf8d6 Be3c1
15/46 00:32 35.263.972 1.088.058 -0.44 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Re7e6 Rc6c5 Bg7f8 Rc5c7+ Re6e7 Rc7c6 Re7g7 Rc6c8 Bf8d6 Be3c1
16/51 01:10 76.243.660 1.086.185 -0.60 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Re8d8 Qc3b3 Qd6d5 Qb3xd5 Rd8xd5 Rc1c5 Rd5d7 Kh2g3 Kh7g8 d4d5 Bg7f8 Rc5c6
16/51 01:20 86.204.601 1.075.206 -0.60 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Re8d8 Qc3b3 Qd6d5 Qb3xd5 Rd8xd5 Rc1c5 Rd5d7 Kh2g3 Kh7g8 d4d5 Bg7f8 Rc5c6
17/52 01:50 118.006.573 1.072.115 -0.53 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Re8d8 Qc3b3 Rd8d7 Rc1c8 Qd6d5 Qb3xd5 Rd7xd5 Rc8c5 Rd5d7 Kh2h1 Bg7xd4 h3h4 Bd4xe3
17/53 01:55 123.436.873 1.068.495 -0.53 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Re8d8 Qc3b3 Rd8d7 Rc1c8 Qd6d5 Qb3xd5 Rd7xd5 Rc8c5 Rd5d7 Kh2h1 Bg7xd4 h3h4 Bd4xe3
18/53 02:47 179.055.580 1.074.080 -0.56 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 g6g5 Qc3c5 Qd6xc5 d4xc5 g5xf4 Be3xf4 e4e3 Bg2c6 Re8e7 Bf4d6 Re7f7 Kh2g2 Bg7d4 Bc6f3
18/55 03:07 199.360.028 1.066.473 -0.56 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 g6g5 Qc3c5 Qd6xc5 d4xc5 g5xf4 Be3xf4 e4e3 Bg2c6 Re8e7 Bf4d6 Re7f7 Kh2g2 Bg7d4 Bc6f3
19/55 07:16 463.243.419 1.061.713 -0.68 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1f2 Re8f8 Kh2h1 Kh7h8 h3h4 h6h5 Rc1c5 Rf8b8 Rc5g5 Rb8b1+ Kh1h2 Kh8h7 Rg5c5 Rb1b4 Rc5e5 Bg7xe5 f4xe5 Qd6d5 Qf2f6 Qd5xa5
19/57 24:41 1.478.094.570 998.074 -0.60 h3h4 Qa3d6 h4h5 Re8b8 Rd1c1 g6xh5 Bg2h3 Rb8b2+ Kh2h1 Qd6f6 d4d5 h5h4 Bh3g4 Rb2a2 Rc1c7 Ra2a1 Be3c1
19/57 25:08 1.506.013.829 998.903 -0.60 h3h4 Qa3d6 h4h5 Re8b8 Rd1c1 g6xh5 Bg2h3 Rb8b2+ Kh2h1 Qd6f6 d4d5 h5h4 Bh3g4 Rb2a2 Rc1c7 Ra2a1 Be3c1
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Re: Tigran Petrosian_selected positions_01

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AnthonyBoynes wrote:From my quad core running linux. Using wine to run Arena.


FEN: 4r3/6bk/p5pp/P7/3PpP2/q2bB2P/6BK/3RQ3 w - - 0 41

Zappa Mexico II:
8/26 00:00 158.715 778.015 -0.60 Rd1c1 Qa3e7 Rc1c6 Re8d8 Qe1c3 Rd8d7 Qc3c5 Qe7h4
8/26 00:00 177.951 760.474 -0.60 Rd1c1 Qa3e7 Rc1c6 Re8d8 Qe1c3 Rd8d7 Qc3c5
9/30 00:00 456.460 881.197 -0.54 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Re8d8 Qc3c7 Qd6d5 Rc1c6 Rd8d7
9/30 00:01 470.866 849.939 -0.54 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Re8d8 Qc3c7 Qd6d5 Rc1c6
10/30 00:01 1.277.086 982.374 -0.57 Rd1c1 Re8d8 Rc1c7 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Rd8d7 Rc7c6 Qd6d5 Qc3xd3 e4xd3 Bg2xd5 Rd7xd5 Rc6xa6 Bg7xd4
10/30 00:01 1.312.544 966.527 -0.57 Rd1c1 Re8d8 Rc1c7 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Rd8d7 Rc7c6
11/35 00:02 2.438.702 990.135 -0.57 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Re7e6 Rc6c7 Qa2xa5
11/35 00:03 2.546.778 981.796 -0.57 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Re7e6 Rc6c7 Qa2xa5
12/35 00:04 3.799.153 1.013.648 -0.49 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Re7e6 Rc6c5 Bd3b5 Rc5c7
12/37 00:04 3.998.567 1.009.484 -0.49 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Re7e6 Rc6c5 Bd3b5 Rc5c7
13/42 00:11 11.480.252 1.074.528 -0.44 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1h4 Re7f7 Qh4g4 Rf7f6 Rc6c7 Rf6f5
13/42 00:11 11.809.248 1.072.203 -0.44 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1h4 Re7f7 Qh4g4 Rf7f6 Rc6c7 Rf6f5
14/46 00:16 17.267.469 1.065.499 -0.46 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Qa2f7 h3h4 Re7b7 d4d5 Rb7b2 Kh2h1
14/46 00:17 18.047.424 1.066.507 -0.46 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Qa2f7 h3h4 Re7b7 d4d5 Rb7b2 Kh2h1
15/46 00:31 34.223.361 1.088.806 -0.44 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Re7e6 Rc6c5 Bg7f8 Rc5c7+ Re6e7 Rc7c6 Re7g7 Rc6c8 Bf8d6 Be3c1
15/46 00:32 35.263.972 1.088.058 -0.44 Rd1c1 Re8e7 Rc1c6 Qa3a2 Qe1g3 Re7e6 Rc6c5 Bg7f8 Rc5c7+ Re6e7 Rc7c6 Re7g7 Rc6c8 Bf8d6 Be3c1
16/51 01:10 76.243.660 1.086.185 -0.60 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Re8d8 Qc3b3 Qd6d5 Qb3xd5 Rd8xd5 Rc1c5 Rd5d7 Kh2g3 Kh7g8 d4d5 Bg7f8 Rc5c6
16/51 01:20 86.204.601 1.075.206 -0.60 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Re8d8 Qc3b3 Qd6d5 Qb3xd5 Rd8xd5 Rc1c5 Rd5d7 Kh2g3 Kh7g8 d4d5 Bg7f8 Rc5c6
17/52 01:50 118.006.573 1.072.115 -0.53 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Re8d8 Qc3b3 Rd8d7 Rc1c8 Qd6d5 Qb3xd5 Rd7xd5 Rc8c5 Rd5d7 Kh2h1 Bg7xd4 h3h4 Bd4xe3
17/53 01:55 123.436.873 1.068.495 -0.53 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 Re8d8 Qc3b3 Rd8d7 Rc1c8 Qd6d5 Qb3xd5 Rd7xd5 Rc8c5 Rd5d7 Kh2h1 Bg7xd4 h3h4 Bd4xe3
18/53 02:47 179.055.580 1.074.080 -0.56 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 g6g5 Qc3c5 Qd6xc5 d4xc5 g5xf4 Be3xf4 e4e3 Bg2c6 Re8e7 Bf4d6 Re7f7 Kh2g2 Bg7d4 Bc6f3
18/55 03:07 199.360.028 1.066.473 -0.56 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1c3 g6g5 Qc3c5 Qd6xc5 d4xc5 g5xf4 Be3xf4 e4e3 Bg2c6 Re8e7 Bf4d6 Re7f7 Kh2g2 Bg7d4 Bc6f3
19/55 07:16 463.243.419 1.061.713 -0.68 Rd1c1 Qa3d6 Qe1f2 Re8f8 Kh2h1 Kh7h8 h3h4 h6h5 Rc1c5 Rf8b8 Rc5g5 Rb8b1+ Kh1h2 Kh8h7 Rg5c5 Rb1b4 Rc5e5 Bg7xe5 f4xe5 Qd6d5 Qf2f6 Qd5xa5
19/57 24:41 1.478.094.570 998.074 -0.60 h3h4 Qa3d6 h4h5 Re8b8 Rd1c1 g6xh5 Bg2h3 Rb8b2+ Kh2h1 Qd6f6 d4d5 h5h4 Bh3g4 Rb2a2 Rc1c7 Ra2a1 Be3c1
19/57 25:08 1.506.013.829 998.903 -0.60 h3h4 Qa3d6 h4h5 Re8b8 Rd1c1 g6xh5 Bg2h3 Rb8b2+ Kh2h1 Qd6f6 d4d5 h5h4 Bh3g4 Rb2a2 Rc1c7 Ra2a1 Be3c1
Hmmmm,so Zappa finds the move on a quad after 24 minutes.....
Thanks for analysing the position....

P.S.Note that I go through Petrosian's unannotated games to seek the most hard and stunning moves made by this chess genius....
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Re: Tigran Petrosian_selected positions_01

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Hmmmm,so Zappa finds the move on a quad after 24 minutes.....
Thanks for analysing the position....

P.S.Note that I go through Petrosian's unannotated games to seek the most hard and stunning moves made by this chess genius....
yes
we can see that even though your thread has well over 200 views..only one engine manages to find Pertrosian's move
and after almost 30 minutes at that

we know that others must have tried their favorite engines and they have had no success
.. because view totals are high and there are no posts
it is human nature not to post when an engine does not find a move
:P

Petrosian V todays Engines...
No match regards
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Re: Tigran Petrosian_selected positions_01

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Why is h4 so strong? I don´t understand.

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Re: Tigran Petrosian_selected positions_01

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Steve B wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Hmmmm,so Zappa finds the move on a quad after 24 minutes.....
Thanks for analysing the position....

P.S.Note that I go through Petrosian's unannotated games to seek the most hard and stunning moves made by this chess genius....
yes
we can see that even though your thread has well over 200 views..only one engine manages to find Pertrosian's move
and after almost 30 minutes at that

we know that others must have tried their favorite engines and they have had no success
.. because view totals are high and there are no posts
it is human nature not to post when an engine does not find a move
:P

Petrosian V todays Engines...
No match regards
Steve
Indeed Steve,you are absolutely right :P
Of course it was you that enlighted me to start posting positions from Petrosian's games and as a reward you will get roughly around 666 ones :D

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