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A two part challenge for your imagination

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A two part challenge for your imagination:

1) Pretend for a moment that you had the ability to travel backward in time. Consider the scenario where you journey back over several decades to one of the great tournaments of the early 1900s (like New York 1924 or St. Petersburg 1905) and you've taken with you a piece sensory set and board that also has a built in engine of GM strength. What do you think might be the reactions of the GMs of those days?

2) Pretend for a moment that you are a GM attending or even participating in the 2008 world championship. Consider the scenario where some oddly dressed person pops into the room and turns out to be a visitor from a century from now. What kind of chess equipment could he be carrying to make you react in the same way as in your answer to the first part of this challenge?
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sje wrote:A two part challenge for your imagination:

1) Pretend for a moment that you had the ability to travel backward in time. Consider the scenario where you journey back over several decades to one of the great tournaments of the early 1900s (like New York 1924 or St. Petersburg 1905) and you've taken with you a piece sensory set and board that also has a built in engine of GM strength. What do you think might be the reactions of the GMs of those days?

Great Shock!


2) Pretend for a moment that you are a GM attending or even participating in the 2008 world championship. Consider the scenario where some oddly dressed person pops into the room and turns out to be a visitor from a century from now. What kind of chess equipment could he be carrying to make you react in the same way as in your answer to the first part of this challenge?
Nothing, I'd understand, and seize his advanced quantum technologies the first chance I got! :lol:
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sje wrote:A two part challenge for your imagination:

1) Pretend for a moment that you had the ability to travel backward in time. Consider the scenario where you journey back over several decades to one of the great tournaments of the early 1900s (like New York 1924 or St. Petersburg 1905) and you've taken with you a piece sensory set and board that also has a built in engine of GM strength. What do you think might be the reactions of the GMs of those days?

2) Pretend for a moment that you are a GM attending or even participating in the 2008 world championship. Consider the scenario where some oddly dressed person pops into the room and turns out to be a visitor from a century from now. What kind of chess equipment could he be carrying to make you react in the same way as in your answer to the first part of this challenge?
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How about these ideas for astonishment in these days:

1) A chess set where the prices move by themselves via hovering or even teleportation.

2) A chess set with autolocomotive (er, isomotive?) pieces that can be commanded via a synthetic telepathy.

3) A set that doesn't physically exist but is realized by a projection of electrical charge directly to a viewer's optic nerves; the pieces would be seen in the dark or when one's eyes were closed.

4) Chess pieces made from sand or liquid; a piece would move by dissolving into the board and then re-forming on a different square.

5) A chess set that is actually a collection of synthetically produced living organisms; or maybe humans that have been miniaturized to 1/32 actual height.

6) A set that used phase conjugate light and other optical trickery to have vastly different appearances depending on a viewer's position.

7) A chess set that could physically shrink or expand upon command.
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sje wrote:A two part challenge for your imagination:

1) Pretend for a moment that you had the ability to travel backward in time. Consider the scenario where you journey back over several decades to one of the great tournaments of the early 1900s (like New York 1924 or St. Petersburg 1905) and you've taken with you a piece sensory set and board that also has a built in engine of GM strength. What do you think might be the reactions of the GMs of those days?

ans. Burn the witch!

2) Pretend for a moment that you are a GM attending or even participating in the 2008 world championship. Consider the scenario where some oddly dressed person pops into the room and turns out to be a visitor from a century from now. What kind of chess equipment could he be carrying to make you react in the same way as in your answer to the first part of this challenge?
ans. Call the police,FBI,CIA! The person was talking to a rock that projects a 3D chess board and pieces in the air and beats all comers. It shows that it is looking 42 moves ahead in zero seconds. The chess rock talks back to the oddly dressed person in a sexy female voice and tells him what other people are thinking and anything else that he/she may wish to know.
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sje wrote:How about these ideas for astonishment in these days:

1) A chess set where the prices move by themselves via hovering or even teleportation.

Anti-Gravity hard enough but doable, has been done to some degree, teleportation eventually, we know it's possible and have done it on a rudimentary level.

2) A chess set with autolocomotive (er, isomotive?) pieces that can be commanded via a synthetic telepathy.

It's been done already! Although restrictively.

3) A set that doesn't physically exist but is realized by a projection of electrical charge directly to a viewer's optic nerves; the pieces would be seen in the dark or when one's eyes were closed.

That can be done today. Has been done..not with chess.

4) Chess pieces made from sand or liquid; a piece would move by dissolving into the board and then re-forming on a different square.

Could be done in the labs today. Meta-Materials & Magnetic Fields.

5) A chess set that is actually a collection of synthetically produced living organisms; or maybe humans that have been miniaturized to 1/32 actual height.

Nano Tech/Bio-Tech possible...but removing space from atoms highly impractical and you must deal with great mass the person would have for their dimensions.

6) A set that used phase conjugate light and other optical trickery to have vastly different appearances depending on a viewer's position.

Lasers

7) A chess set that could physically shrink or expand upon command.
Engineering problem, could be done today in the labs.

The hardest would be teleportation, much of what you propose could be done today in the labs with great effort and some of it wouldn't be that difficult with lasers.

Shrinking people may be impossible, youl'd have to collapse the space between atoms of course teleportation storage and anti-gravity in combination might work...? :wink:
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sje wrote:
How about these ideas for astonishment in these days:

7) A chess set that could physically shrink or expand upon command.
actually Steve.. we do have something like this one already
i present for your viewing pleasure...

the Fidelity Travel Master:
http://alain.zanchetta.free.fr/videos/T ... rClose.wmv

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If one could visit the 1924 New York tournament, one of the strongest and most inclusive in history, then I think that most of the GMs would first suspect that your piece sensory GM strength machine was some kind of hoax like the automatons of old. They would claim that a real person was calculating the moves and that the information was transmitted by wireless telegraphy.

However, once the machine started beating all of them, they would have to come to the conclusion that there was no hidden person as anyone that strong would have already had world fame and would been a tournament participant.

Perhaps they might suspect some sort of supernatural influence. For example, consider the classic short story "The Three Sailors' Gambit" which features a dedicated chess computer that was purchased at a diabolic price.
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actually i think i could have managed to smuggle it into the playing hall and i would perhaps have have won this great event
history would forever record me as the "come from nowhere phenom" who appeared for this one event ..wins it totally undefeated..never to be seen or heard from again

i could fold it up in my pocket and then excuse myself to go to the rest room when it was my turn to move ..and then enter the moves and get its reply

this sounds very familiar to Kramnik-Topalov

hmm i wonder if Kramnik has a futuristic gadget from the year 2065??

Kramnik-Anand now in doubt regards
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I know New York 1924 was a great tournament but what happened in St Petersburg 1905? Nunn used a Fritz5 in 1999 to rate the Carlsbad tournament 1911 as a 2100 elo event.


taking a contemporary program to NY 1924 would be a "Texas Chainsaw Massacre."