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tournament of top 8 engines running

Post by Clemens »

hello friends of computerchess

since a few days I am running a tournament with the top engines (compared to the rating lists) . Conditions are

all engines 4 cpu
all the same book, 12 moves max.
1024MB hashtables
ponder ON (!)

running on an Intel X5365 octa pc. Crosstable daily updated.

for details goto:
http://www.clemens-keck.de/english_page.html

regards, Clemens Keck
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Re: tournament of top 8 engines running

Post by Matthias Gemuh »

Clemens wrote:hello friends of computerchess

since a few days I am running a tournament with the top engines (compared to the rating lists) . Conditions are

all engines 4 cpu
all the same book, 12 moves max.
1024MB hashtables
ponder ON (!)

running on an Intel X5365 octa pc. Crosstable daily updated.

for details goto:
http://www.clemens-keck.de/english_page.html

regards, Clemens Keck

I appreciate your efforts, but sudden death games among engines of similar strength don't have the high endgame quality of games with big increment per move or time control x/y.

"40moves/20mins repeating" will give you better endgames than 90mins/game because time trouble is totally avoided.

Better endgames of course equates to better classification of engines according to strength.

Best,
Matthias.
My engine was quite strong till I added knowledge to it.
http://www.chess.hylogic.de
Clemens

Re: tournament of top 8 engines running

Post by Clemens »

Hi Matthias

there are a few good reasons to play with increment.
Most reason for me to play without is that I want avoid hours of "draw-nonsense". Also important is ponder ON.
Btw. the games are interesting so far what I have seen

[Black "Shredder WM Edition Bonn x4"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D48"]
[Annotator "0.37;0.24"]
[PlyCount "212"]
[EventDate "2009.02.11"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[TimeControl "5400"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz 3000 MHz W=19.9 plies; 3.
318kN/s; 14.246.039 TBAs; chessbase-mega.ctg B=16.4 plies; 3.435kN/s;
chessbase-mega.ctg} 1. c4 {B 0} e6 {B 0} 2. d4 {B 0} Nf6 {B 0} 3. Nf3 {B 0} d5
{B 0} 4. Nc3 {B 0} c6 {B 0} 5. e3 {B 0} Nbd7 {B 0} 6. Bd3 {B 0} dxc4 {B 0} 7.
Bxc4 {B 0} b5 {B 0} 8. Bd3 {B 0} Bb7 {B 0} 9. O-O {B 0} a6 {B 0} 10. e4 {B 0}
c5 {B 0} 11. d5 {B 0} Qc7 {B 0} 12. dxe6 {B 0} fxe6 {B 0} 13. Qe2 {0.37/19 120}
Bd6 {0.24/17 176 (c4)} 14. Ng5 {0.02/20 197} c4 {0.24/16 29} 15. Nxe6 {0.02/20
30 (Lc2)} Qc6 {-0.04/17 127} 16. Bc2 {0.02/21 0} Bxh2+ {0.08/17 157} 17. Kxh2 {
0.01/22 0} Qxe6 {0.13/17 108} 18. f3 {-0.13/22 199} O-O {0.01/17 0} 19. Be3 {
-0.13/21 93} Rae8 {0.00/16 57 (Se5)} 20. Rad1 {0.00/19 93} Ne5 {0.00/15 0} 21.
Qd2 {0.00/20 83} Nh5 {0.22/16 408 (De7)} 22. Ne2 {0.27/19 95} Qf6 {0.25/15 78}
23. Bg5 {0.22/20 139} Qg6 {0.25/14 15} 24. Bh4 {0.24/20 211} Bc8 {0.23/15 0
(De6)} 25. Kh1 {0.19/19 403 (b3)} Re6 {0.25/16 109} 26. a3 {0.19/19 51 (Dg5)}
Ree8 {0.34/17 370 (Lb7)} 27. Qe3 {0.13/19 328} h6 {0.33/17 7 (Df7)} 28. a4 {0.
35/18 69 (Td2)} b4 {0.10/15 200 (Lb7)} 29. a5 {0.33/18 52} Bd7 {0.12/15 82} 30.
Rd4 {0.10/19 294} Bb5 {-0.45/17 0} 31. Rfd1 {0.10/18 62 (Ta1)} b3 {-1.73/16
246 (Sd3)} 32. Bb1 {-0.70/18 25} c3 {-1.82/17 171} 33. Nxc3 {-1.21/20 149 (Td6)
} Nf4 {-1.66/14 115 (Sg3+)} 34. Qf2 {-1.26/17 45} Nxg2 {-1.67/16 116} 35. Nxb5
{-1.67/19 103} axb5 {-2.67/16 36 (Sxh4)} 36. Qxg2 {-0.76/18 61} Qh5 {-2.19/17
53} 37. Rd5 {-1.79/20 114} Rf4 {-2.19/18 0} 38. Qg3 {-1.79/20 223} Rxh4+ {-2.
47/19 0} 39. Kg2 {-1.94/21 62} Re6 {-2.28/17 84} 40. Kf2 {-1.94/22 210} Rh3 {
-2.37/18 0} 41. Rxe5 {-2.05/22 19} Rxe5 {-2.19/18 31} 42. Qg4 {-1.98/22 164
(Td8+)} Rh2+ {-2.37/16 75} 43. Ke3 {-1.98/23 170} Qxg4 {-2.47/18 52 (Df7)} 44.
fxg4 {-1.41/6 0} Rxb2 {-2.17/17 79} 45. Kd4 {-1.37/23 39} Re8 {-2.08/18 43} 46.
Kc3 {-1.37/24 149} Rg2 {-2.02/20 0} 47. Kxb3 {-1.37/22 9} Rxg4 {-1.98/17 38}
48. Rd5 {-1.37/22 75 (Ld3)} g5 {-2.15/16 60 (Tg5)} 49. e5 {-1.42/16 20 (Txb5)}
Rg1 {-2.33/14 51} 50. Kb2 {-1.87/19 74 (La2)} g4 {-2.95/15 54} 51. a6 {-1.99/
20 22} Ra8 {-2.88/15 55} 52. Rd6 {-1.99/22 114 (La2)} Re1 {-2.91/17 44} 53.
Rxh6 {-2.11/23 103} Rxe5 {-2.55/19 156} 54. Rf6 {-2.12/24 93 (Kb3)} g3 {-3.35/
17 35 (Kg7)} 55. Rg6+ {-2.11/23 35} Kf7 {-3.34/19 0} 56. Rxg3 {-2.11/24 16}
Rxa6 {-3.42/14 0} 57. Bc2 {-2.11/24 15 (Ld3)} Rf6 {-3.44/18 43 (Ke7)} 58. Ka3 {
-2.10/22 7} Rf4 {-3.45/19 38 (Ke7)} 59. Rd3 {-2.10/23 16 (Lb3+)} Kf6 {-3.49/17
57 (Ke7)} 60. Bd1 {-2.13/22 10 (Lb3)} Re6 {-3.58/15 80 (Tc5)} 61. Kb3 {-2.17/
21 8 (Th3)} Re1 {-3.66/16 61 (Ke7)} 62. Bf3 {-2.22/20 10} Rb1+ {-3.70/16 43
(b4)} 63. Ka2 {-2.29/23 15} Rc1 {-3.71/16 56 (Tf1)} 64. Kb2 {-2.29/22 14} Rc5 {
-3.80/16 33} 65. Re3 {-2.31/25 62} Re5 {-3.83/17 0 (b4)} 66. Rd3 {-2.31/23 7}
b4 {-3.83/17 60} 67. Bb7 {-2.31/26 48 (Ld1)} Ra5 {-3.88/16 35 (Tc5)} 68. Rd2 {
-2.31/23 6 (Td8)} Ke5 {-3.92/14 16} 69. Bc6 {-2.32/23 12} Rd4 {-4.04/16 44
(Tg4)} 70. Rg2 {-2.32/22 6 (Te2+)} Ra3 {-4.06/16 58 (Kd6)} 71. Bb5 {-2.52/21 7}
Rh4 {-4.10/18 51 (Kd5)} 72. Rd2 {-2.65/21 15 (Le8)} Rhh3 {-4.15/18 32 (Ke4)}
73. Bc4 {-2.80/22 10} Rac3 {-4.12/15 44 (Ke4)} 74. Bb5 {-2.82/24 13 (Lf7)} Ke4
{-4.11/17 53 (Tb3+)} 75. Ba4 {-2.94/22 13 (Te2+)} Rhf3 {-4.11/18 27 (Ke3)} 76.
Re2+ {-2.71/21 12 (Lc2+)} Kd4 {-4.11/17 34 (Kf4)} 77. Bd1 {-2.91/21 28 (Lc2)}
Rce3 {-4.14/17 27 (Tf1)} 78. Rh2 {-2.66/22 10 (Tg2)} Rh3 {-4.18/15 47 (Tf4)}
79. Rg2 {-2.56/21 11 (Tf2)} Reg3 {-4.63/15 21 (Th1)} 80. Rf2 {-2.66/21 14 (Te2)
} Rh4 {-4.52/17 27 (Td3)} 81. Re2 {-3.24/21 18 (La4)} Rd3 {-4.53/17 22 (Tgh3)}
82. Bc2 {-3.30/21 13 (Lb3)} Rdh3 {-4.51/21 39} 83. Rd2+ {-3.44/25 13 (Lg6)} Kc4
{-4.55/15 5} 84. Rd8 {-3.60/24 14 (Td7)} Rh2 {-4.94/17 30} 85. Rc8+ {-3.60/24
23} Kb5 {-4.94/17 0} 86. Kb1 {-4.65/23 34} Rh8 {-5.80/18 0 (Tf2)} 87. Rc7 {-4.
64/18 8} Rf2 {-5.79/17 30} 88. Rb7+ {-5.56/22 9 (Kb2)} Ka5 {-6.53/17 14} 89.
Rc7 {-5.62/23 12 (Td7)} Kb6 {-6.69/18 28 (Th3)} 90. Rc4 {-5.63/23 7} Kb5 {-6.
54/17 28} 91. Rc7 {-5.63/26 27} Rh1+ {-6.81/18 0} 92. Kb2 {-5.65/26 18} Rh3 {
-6.95/18 0 (Th4)} 93. Kb1 {-5.63/22 5 (Tb7+)} b3 {-7.04/19 33} 94. Rb7+ {-5.65/
25 22} Kc4 {-12.22/20 8} 95. Rc7+ {-9.99/24 20} Kd4 {-9.35/15 29 (Kd5)} 96.
Rd7+ {-9.99/24 5 (Ld3)} Kc5 {-12.34/18 16} 97. Be4 {-#33/20 0 (Ld1)} Re3 {-12.
48/14 47} 98. Bf3 {-#32/3 0 (Tc7+)} Rexf3 {-#10/14 21 (Te1+)} 99. Rc7+ {-#26/
13 0} Kb6 {-#9/14 12 (Kd6)} 100. Rh7 {-#20/10 0 (Tc1)} Ra2 {-#7/13 2 (b2)} 101.
Rh6+ {-#13/8 0} Kc5 {-#6/11 0} 102. Rh1 {-#12/3 0 (Th5+)} Kb4 {-#5/9 0 (Tff2)}
103. Re1 {-#10/8 0 (Td1)} Rff2 {-#4/7 0 (Taf2)} 104. Rd1 {-#4/3 0} Ka3 {-#3/5
0 (Tfb2+)} 105. Re1 {-#2/3 0 (Tg1)} Rfb2+ {-#2/3 0} 106. Kc1 {-#1/3 0} Ra1# {
-#1/1 0} 0-1

regards, Clemens
Clemens

Re: tournament of top 8 engines running

Post by Clemens »

sorry PGN was uncomplete :(

[Event "top8"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.02.15"]
[Round "2.4"]
[White "Naum 4 x4"]
[Black "Shredder WM Edition Bonn x4"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D48"]
[Annotator "0.37;0.24"]
[PlyCount "212"]
[EventDate "2009.02.11"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[TimeControl "5400"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz 3000 MHz W=19.9 plies; 3.
318kN/s; 14.246.039 TBAs; chessbase-mega.ctg B=16.4 plies; 3.435kN/s;
chessbase-mega.ctg} 1. c4 {B 0} e6 {B 0} 2. d4 {B 0} Nf6 {B 0} 3. Nf3 {B 0} d5
{B 0} 4. Nc3 {B 0} c6 {B 0} 5. e3 {B 0} Nbd7 {B 0} 6. Bd3 {B 0} dxc4 {B 0} 7.
Bxc4 {B 0} b5 {B 0} 8. Bd3 {B 0} Bb7 {B 0} 9. O-O {B 0} a6 {B 0} 10. e4 {B 0}
c5 {B 0} 11. d5 {B 0} Qc7 {B 0} 12. dxe6 {B 0} fxe6 {B 0} 13. Qe2 {0.37/19 120}
Bd6 {0.24/17 176 (c4)} 14. Ng5 {0.02/20 197} c4 {0.24/16 29} 15. Nxe6 {0.02/20
30 (Lc2)} Qc6 {-0.04/17 127} 16. Bc2 {0.02/21 0} Bxh2+ {0.08/17 157} 17. Kxh2 {
0.01/22 0} Qxe6 {0.13/17 108} 18. f3 {-0.13/22 199} O-O {0.01/17 0} 19. Be3 {
-0.13/21 93} Rae8 {0.00/16 57 (Se5)} 20. Rad1 {0.00/19 93} Ne5 {0.00/15 0} 21.
Qd2 {0.00/20 83} Nh5 {0.22/16 408 (De7)} 22. Ne2 {0.27/19 95} Qf6 {0.25/15 78}
23. Bg5 {0.22/20 139} Qg6 {0.25/14 15} 24. Bh4 {0.24/20 211} Bc8 {0.23/15 0
(De6)} 25. Kh1 {0.19/19 403 (b3)} Re6 {0.25/16 109} 26. a3 {0.19/19 51 (Dg5)}
Ree8 {0.34/17 370 (Lb7)} 27. Qe3 {0.13/19 328} h6 {0.33/17 7 (Df7)} 28. a4 {0.
35/18 69 (Td2)} b4 {0.10/15 200 (Lb7)} 29. a5 {0.33/18 52} Bd7 {0.12/15 82} 30.
Rd4 {0.10/19 294} Bb5 {-0.45/17 0} 31. Rfd1 {0.10/18 62 (Ta1)} b3 {-1.73/16
246 (Sd3)} 32. Bb1 {-0.70/18 25} c3 {-1.82/17 171} 33. Nxc3 {-1.21/20 149 (Td6)
} Nf4 {-1.66/14 115 (Sg3+)} 34. Qf2 {-1.26/17 45} Nxg2 {-1.67/16 116} 35. Nxb5
{-1.67/19 103} axb5 {-2.67/16 36 (Sxh4)} 36. Qxg2 {-0.76/18 61} Qh5 {-2.19/17
53} 37. Rd5 {-1.79/20 114} Rf4 {-2.19/18 0} 38. Qg3 {-1.79/20 223} Rxh4+ {-2.
47/19 0} 39. Kg2 {-1.94/21 62} Re6 {-2.28/17 84} 40. Kf2 {-1.94/22 210} Rh3 {
-2.37/18 0} 41. Rxe5 {-2.05/22 19} Rxe5 {-2.19/18 31} 42. Qg4 {-1.98/22 164
(Td8+)} Rh2+ {-2.37/16 75} 43. Ke3 {-1.98/23 170} Qxg4 {-2.47/18 52 (Df7)} 44.
fxg4 {-1.41/6 0} Rxb2 {-2.17/17 79} 45. Kd4 {-1.37/23 39} Re8 {-2.08/18 43} 46.
Kc3 {-1.37/24 149} Rg2 {-2.02/20 0} 47. Kxb3 {-1.37/22 9} Rxg4 {-1.98/17 38}
48. Rd5 {-1.37/22 75 (Ld3)} g5 {-2.15/16 60 (Tg5)} 49. e5 {-1.42/16 20 (Txb5)}
Rg1 {-2.33/14 51} 50. Kb2 {-1.87/19 74 (La2)} g4 {-2.95/15 54} 51. a6 {-1.99/
20 22} Ra8 {-2.88/15 55} 52. Rd6 {-1.99/22 114 (La2)} Re1 {-2.91/17 44} 53.
Rxh6 {-2.11/23 103} Rxe5 {-2.55/19 156} 54. Rf6 {-2.12/24 93 (Kb3)} g3 {-3.35/
17 35 (Kg7)} 55. Rg6+ {-2.11/23 35} Kf7 {-3.34/19 0} 56. Rxg3 {-2.11/24 16}
Rxa6 {-3.42/14 0} 57. Bc2 {-2.11/24 15 (Ld3)} Rf6 {-3.44/18 43 (Ke7)} 58. Ka3 {
-2.10/22 7} Rf4 {-3.45/19 38 (Ke7)} 59. Rd3 {-2.10/23 16 (Lb3+)} Kf6 {-3.49/17
57 (Ke7)} 60. Bd1 {-2.13/22 10 (Lb3)} Re6 {-3.58/15 80 (Tc5)} 61. Kb3 {-2.17/
21 8 (Th3)} Re1 {-3.66/16 61 (Ke7)} 62. Bf3 {-2.22/20 10} Rb1+ {-3.70/16 43
(b4)} 63. Ka2 {-2.29/23 15} Rc1 {-3.71/16 56 (Tf1)} 64. Kb2 {-2.29/22 14} Rc5 {
-3.80/16 33} 65. Re3 {-2.31/25 62} Re5 {-3.83/17 0 (b4)} 66. Rd3 {-2.31/23 7}
b4 {-3.83/17 60} 67. Bb7 {-2.31/26 48 (Ld1)} Ra5 {-3.88/16 35 (Tc5)} 68. Rd2 {
-2.31/23 6 (Td8)} Ke5 {-3.92/14 16} 69. Bc6 {-2.32/23 12} Rd4 {-4.04/16 44
(Tg4)} 70. Rg2 {-2.32/22 6 (Te2+)} Ra3 {-4.06/16 58 (Kd6)} 71. Bb5 {-2.52/21 7}
Rh4 {-4.10/18 51 (Kd5)} 72. Rd2 {-2.65/21 15 (Le8)} Rhh3 {-4.15/18 32 (Ke4)}
73. Bc4 {-2.80/22 10} Rac3 {-4.12/15 44 (Ke4)} 74. Bb5 {-2.82/24 13 (Lf7)} Ke4
{-4.11/17 53 (Tb3+)} 75. Ba4 {-2.94/22 13 (Te2+)} Rhf3 {-4.11/18 27 (Ke3)} 76.
Re2+ {-2.71/21 12 (Lc2+)} Kd4 {-4.11/17 34 (Kf4)} 77. Bd1 {-2.91/21 28 (Lc2)}
Rce3 {-4.14/17 27 (Tf1)} 78. Rh2 {-2.66/22 10 (Tg2)} Rh3 {-4.18/15 47 (Tf4)}
79. Rg2 {-2.56/21 11 (Tf2)} Reg3 {-4.63/15 21 (Th1)} 80. Rf2 {-2.66/21 14 (Te2)
} Rh4 {-4.52/17 27 (Td3)} 81. Re2 {-3.24/21 18 (La4)} Rd3 {-4.53/17 22 (Tgh3)}
82. Bc2 {-3.30/21 13 (Lb3)} Rdh3 {-4.51/21 39} 83. Rd2+ {-3.44/25 13 (Lg6)} Kc4
{-4.55/15 5} 84. Rd8 {-3.60/24 14 (Td7)} Rh2 {-4.94/17 30} 85. Rc8+ {-3.60/24
23} Kb5 {-4.94/17 0} 86. Kb1 {-4.65/23 34} Rh8 {-5.80/18 0 (Tf2)} 87. Rc7 {-4.
64/18 8} Rf2 {-5.79/17 30} 88. Rb7+ {-5.56/22 9 (Kb2)} Ka5 {-6.53/17 14} 89.
Rc7 {-5.62/23 12 (Td7)} Kb6 {-6.69/18 28 (Th3)} 90. Rc4 {-5.63/23 7} Kb5 {-6.
54/17 28} 91. Rc7 {-5.63/26 27} Rh1+ {-6.81/18 0} 92. Kb2 {-5.65/26 18} Rh3 {
-6.95/18 0 (Th4)} 93. Kb1 {-5.63/22 5 (Tb7+)} b3 {-7.04/19 33} 94. Rb7+ {-5.65/
25 22} Kc4 {-12.22/20 8} 95. Rc7+ {-9.99/24 20} Kd4 {-9.35/15 29 (Kd5)} 96.
Rd7+ {-9.99/24 5 (Ld3)} Kc5 {-12.34/18 16} 97. Be4 {-#33/20 0 (Ld1)} Re3 {-12.
48/14 47} 98. Bf3 {-#32/3 0 (Tc7+)} Rexf3 {-#10/14 21 (Te1+)} 99. Rc7+ {-#26/
13 0} Kb6 {-#9/14 12 (Kd6)} 100. Rh7 {-#20/10 0 (Tc1)} Ra2 {-#7/13 2 (b2)} 101.
Rh6+ {-#13/8 0} Kc5 {-#6/11 0} 102. Rh1 {-#12/3 0 (Th5+)} Kb4 {-#5/9 0 (Tff2)}
103. Re1 {-#10/8 0 (Td1)} Rff2 {-#4/7 0 (Taf2)} 104. Rd1 {-#4/3 0} Ka3 {-#3/5
0 (Tfb2+)} 105. Re1 {-#2/3 0 (Tg1)} Rfb2+ {-#2/3 0} 106. Kc1 {-#1/3 0} Ra1# {
-#1/1 0} 0-1
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Re: tournament of top 8 engines running

Post by Matthias Gemuh »

Clemens wrote:Hi Matthias

there are a few good reasons to play with increment.
Most reason for me to play without is that I want avoid hours of "draw-nonsense". Also important is ponder ON.
Btw. the games are interesting so far what I have seen

...
regards, Clemens

The examples you have posted are OK because the games are already heading towards a clear decision at move 40.

Bad games at sudden death are the ones which stay equal till move 150 or later, then one engine gets into time trouble and loses a game that would be a draw, given adequate increment.

Best,
Matthias.
My engine was quite strong till I added knowledge to it.
http://www.chess.hylogic.de
krazyken

Re: tournament of top 8 engines running

Post by krazyken »

Matthias Gemuh wrote:
Bad games at sudden death are the ones which stay equal till move 150 or later, then one engine gets into time trouble and loses a game that would be a draw, given adequate increment.
If the game is lasting until move 150, then it's already a bad game. Too many engines play way too stupidly about the 50 move rule. If you haven't moved your pawns for 49 moves, why should they start moving now?