The Fourth Annual Paris Dedicated Chess Computer tournament will be held on May 17 2009
TC is 30 seconds Avg. per move
the Rules for this years Tourney have an upper limit of 2000 Elo for the computers
while the list of computers is still not definite ..as you can see from the list of computers chosen most participants have chosen a computer as close to the 2000 ceiling as possible
like last year i will be participating via the Internet on the Playchess server..the rest of the combatants will be present at the playing hall in Paris
personally i am debating over which of these two computers to operate
the Fidelity Travel Master with an active rating of 1988 Elo
OR
the Fidelity Elite Private Line weighing in at 1837 Elo
both computers are considered rare
if i have any hopes of winning i would go with the Tmaster
on the other hand ..the Elite Private Line which would be the lowest rated computer participating (and a fairly good bet for last place)is easily in the top 25 of rarest computers ever sold and as far as i know there has never been a recorded tournament with a Private Line participating
so here is my Question..
Do i go for the Gold and a possible win or do i toss all personal pride aside and do something for the good of Schachcomputer History?
Steve B wrote:The Fourth Annual Paris Dedicated Chess Computer tournament will be held on May 17 2009
TC is 30 seconds Avg. per move
the Rules for this years Tourney have an upper limit of 2000 Elo for the computers
while the list of computers is still not definite ..as you can see from the list of computers chosen most participants have chosen a computer as close to the 2000 ceiling as possible
like last year i will be participating via the Internet on the Playchess server..the rest of the combatants will be present at the playing hall in Paris
personally i am debating over which of these two computers to operate
the Fidelity Travel Master with an active rating of 1988 Elo
OR
the Fidelity Elite Private Line weighing in at 1837 Elo
both computers are considered rare
if i have any hopes of winning i would go with the Tmaster
on the other hand ..the Elite Private Line which would be the lowest rated computer participating (and a fairly good bet for last place)is easily in the top 25 of rarest computers ever sold and as far as i know there has never been a recorded tournament with a Private Line participating
so here is my Question..
Do i go for the Gold and a possible win or do i toss all personal pride aside and do something for the good of Schachcomputer History?
Comments Invited Regards
Steve
If there is going to be a web cam, there is no question it should be Private Line. Otherwise, the Travel Master.
My dear steve, the Elite would be my choose. I think the beatiful animal deserves to be alive and kicking in a competion, no matter what. In this tournament the prize is not important at all, but the thrill and friendship between all us, dedicated fans.
1) Well, I should have read the instructions. Didn't know you could
compete via internet. Has the registration deadline past? Maybe,
I could enter. I have 4 machines below 2000.
2) Assuming all opponents have a rating of 2000, you would have
roughly a 32% chance of winning any given game and a 64% chance
of drawing any given game. Two of the participants are in the upper
1800's, so the odds are better.
How many rounds? If the rounds are small enough (I am guessing
4 based on the TC and logistics), then you have a chance at winning.
The chances drop with an increase in the number of rounds.
Actually Charles.. Alain Zanchetta.. the tournament organizer.. is an old friend and fellow collector.. so he is making a special exception for me and setting up an Internet connection..thats why all of the other participants will be physically at the playing hall
it will be a Swiss system event ..IIRC last year we had 5 rounds with 7 participants
with 9 competitors this year i guess we will have perhaps 6 rounds
so what is your suggestion then?
The Stronger Tmaster for a possible chance at glory..
or i bring up the rear in shame..but make recorded history?
I don't see why you have such a dilemma? You have more choices.
Given my machines, I'd run the Excalibur Karpov. I believe it is
rated in the high 1900's? IIRC, you have one.
Well, this tournament isn't about winning, but he who has the most
thorough collection should win most years. If you are limiting it to the
two then the choice is easy:
1) If you'd like to win, go for the Travel Master.
2) If you care about an elegant experience, the Elite.
3) What about both and use the Excalibur Grandmaster (1989). I think
you have one?
well the Karpov does have a 1964 Active rating but it is programmed by Kittinger
there are already two Kittinger programs in the event
also.. the Excalibur GM is already entered
if i go with the Elite it will be the only Spracklen program attending
while the Tmaster is by Morsch which also has two enignes in attendance
i like the Elegant experience idea but at the cost of total humiliation??
here is the list of computers we were able to enter
Active Elo range 1750-2000
Active Elos are the first 4 numbers
1999 Mephisto Nigel Short 6502 10 MHz xxx Ed Schröder 65C02, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1999 Mephisto Nigel Short 6502 5 MHz Ed Schröder 65C02, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1999 Mephisto Mega IV 6502 5 MHz Ed Schröder 6502, 4,91 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1994 Mephisto Dallas 68000 12 MHz Richard Lang 68000, 12 MHz, 16 Bit Add
1994 Mephisto Mondial 68000XL 68000 12 MHz Richard Lang 68000, 12 MHz, 16 Bit Add
1989 Mephisto Roma II 68000 10 MHz Richard Lang 68000, 10 MHz, 16 Bit Add
1989 Excalibur Grandmaster 24 MHz xxx Ron Nelson H8/3214, 12 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1988 Saitek GK 2000 H8 10 MHz Frans Morsch H8, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1988 Mephisto Mythos H8 10 MHz Frans Morsch H8, 10 MHz (20 MHz Quarz), 8 Bit Singlechip/3238 Add
1988 Saitek Virtuoso H8 10 MHz Frans Morsch H8, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1988 Mephisto Miami H8 10 MHz Frans Morsch H7000, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1988 Mephisto Advanced Travel Chess Computer H8 10 MHz Frans Morsch H7000, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1988 Saitek Bravo H8 10 MHz Frans Morsch H7000, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1988 Mephisto Montana H8 10 MHz Frans Morsch H7000, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1988 Fidelity Travel Master H8/330 10 MHz Frans Morsch H8/330, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1988 Mephisto Chess Travel Master H8/330 10 MHz Frans Morsch H8/330, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1988 Saitek D+ 6502 6 MHz Julio Kaplan 6502, 6 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1984 Mephisto Polgar 6502 5 MHz Ed Schröder 65C02, 4,9152 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1971 Novag Super Expert C 6502 5 MHz David Kittinger 6502, 5 und 6 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1971 Novag Super Forte 6502 5 MHz David Kittinger 6502, 5 und 6 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1969 Fidelity Mach IIc 68000 12 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 68000, 12 MHz, 16 Bit Add
1964 Mephisto Modena 6502 4 MHz Frans Morsch 6502 8Bit Add
1962 Mephisto Super Mondial II 6502 4 MHz Ed Schröder 6502, 4 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1962 Mephisto Monte Carlo IV 6502 4 MHz Ed Schröder 65C02, 4 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1962 Novag Emerald Classic H8 26 MHz David Kittinger H8, 26,6 MHz, 16Bit Add
1960 Novag Ruby H8 20 MHz David Kittinger H8, 20 MHz, 32 Bit Add
1960 Novag Emerald H8 20 MHz David Kittinger H8, 20 MHz, 32 Bit Add
1957 Mephisto MM IV HG 440 6502 5 MHz Ed Schröder 65C02, 4,9152 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1952 Saitek Travel Champion 2080 H8 7 MHz Frans Morsch H8, 7 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1952 Saitek Champion Advanced Trainer H8 7 MHz Frans Morsch H8, 7 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1952 Mephisto Champion H8 7 MHz Frans Morsch H8, 7 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1952 Saitek D 6502 10 MHz Julio Kaplan 6502, 8 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1952 Saitek D 6502 8 MHz Julio Kaplan 6502, 8 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1949 Saitek D 6502 6 MHz Julio Kaplan 6502, 8 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1949 Mephisto Mega IV Brute Force 6502 5 MHz Ed Schröder 6502, 4,91 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1949 Novag Super Expert A 6502 5 MHz David Kittinger 6502, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1949 Novag Super Forte A 6502 5 MHz David Kittinger 6502, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1949 Fidelity Elite Avantgarde 6502 5 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1949 SciSys Stratos/Analyst B 6502 6 MHz Julio Kaplan 6502, 6 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1949 SciSys Maestro A 6502 6 MHz Julio Kaplan 6502, 4, 6, 8 und 10 MHz (getunt auch mit 12 MHz), 8 Bit Add
1948 CXG Dominator V2.04 6502 4 MHz Frans Morsch 6502, 4 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1948 CXG Sphinx Galaxy 6502 4 MHz Frans Morsch 6502 8Bit, 4 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1944 Novag Constellation Forte B 6502 5 MHz David Kittinger 6502, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1943 Mephisto Amsterdam 68000 12 MHz Richard Lang 68000, 12 MHz, 16 Bit Add
1919 Fidelity Excel Club 68000 12 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 68000, 12 MHz, 16 Bit Add
1919 SciSys Turbo King II 6502 5 MHz Julio Kaplan 6502, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1911 Fidelity Designer 2100 6502 6 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 6 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1905 Novag Constellation Forte A 6502 5 MHz David Kittinger 6502, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1899 Saitek Corona 6502 5 MHz Julio Kaplan 6502, 6 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1899 SciSys Turbo King 6502 5 MHz Julio Kaplan 6502, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1895 Tiger Grenadier H8 20 MHz Christian Donninger H8 (HD6437034), 20 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1895 Millennium Genesis H8 20 MHz Christian Donninger H8 (?), 20 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1887 Mephisto Super Mondial 6502 4 MHz Frans Morsch 6502, 4 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1887 Mephisto Monte Carlo 6502 4 MHz Frans Morsch 6502, 4 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1887 Fidelity Elite Avantgarde 2100 6502 5 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 6 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1875 Novag Super Nova 6301Y 16 MHz David Kittinger 6301Y, 16 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1875 Mephisto Rebell 5.0 6502 5 MHz Ed Schröder 6502, 4,9152 Mhz, 8 Bit Add
1873 Kishon Chesster 6502 3,6 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 3.6 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1873 Fidelity Excel Display 6502 3 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 3 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1873 Fidelity Designer 2000 Display 6502 3 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 3 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1873 Fidelity Excellence 6502 5 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 3, 4, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1861 Fidelity Excellence 6502 4 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 3, 4, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1857 Excalibur Grandmaster H8 12 MHz Ron Nelson H8/3214, 12 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1857 Excalibur Igor H8 12 MHz Ron Nelson H8/3214, 12 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1855 Saitek Simultano C 6502 5 MHz Julio Kaplan 6502, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1846 Mephisto MM II + HG 240 6502 3.7 MHz Rathsman, Ulf 6502, 3,7 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1846 Novag Constellation Expert TurboKit 16 MHz David Kittinger 65C02, 4, 5 und 6 MHz (Tuning bis 7 MHz stabil), 8 Bit Add
1846 Fidelity Excel Mach IIa 68000 12 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 68000, 12 MHz, 16 Bit Add
1840 Novag Constellation Expert 6502 4 MHz David Kittinger 65C02, 4, 5 und 6 MHz (Tuning bis 7 MHz stabil), 8 Bit Add
1837 Fidelity Par Excellence 6502 5 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1837 Mephisto Phantom Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1837 Fidelity Phantom Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1837 Fidelity Elite Privat Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1833 Fidelity Super 9 6502 2 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 2 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1833 Fidelity Super 9 Deluxe 6502 2 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 2,5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1810 Krypton Challenge H8 10 MHz Gyula Horvath H8, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1810 Krypton Regency H8 10 MHz Gyula Horvath H8, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1810 Krypton Grandmaster H8 10 MHz Gyula Horvath H8, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1802 Saitek B 6502 6 MHz Julio Kaplan 6502, 6 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1797 Saitek Kasparov Blitz H8 10 MHz Julio Kaplan H8, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1797 Saitek Prisma H8 10 MHz Julio Kaplan H8, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1797 Fidelity Elite A/S Glasgow 6502 4 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 3,6 & 4 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1797 Fidelity Elite A/S Budapest 6502 3.6 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 3,2 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1797 Fidelity Elite A/S 6502 3.2 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 3,2 MHz (Budapest) / 3,6 & 4 MHz (Glasgow), 8 Bit Add
1796 Mephisto Mondial II 6502 2 MHz Frans Morsch 6502, 2 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1783 SciSys Turbostar 432 KSO 6502 4 MHz Julio Kaplan 6502, 4 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1783 Novag Super VIP 6301Y 9.8 MHz David Kittinger 6301Y, 9.8 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1779 Novag Primo 6301Y 8 MHZ David Kittinger 6301Y, 8 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1777 Fidelity Excellence 6502 3 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 3, 4, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1776 Fidelity Playmatic 5 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1776 Conchess Plymate Victoria 6502 5.5 MHz ??? 6502, 5.5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1776 Conchess Plymate 6502 5.5 MHz ??? 6502, 5.5 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1776 SciSys Turbostar 540 6502 5 MHz Julio Kaplan 6502, 4 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1776 CXG Sphinx Acolade H8 10 MHz Gyula Horvath H8, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1776 CXG Sphinx Concerto H8 10 MHz Gyula Horvath H8, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1776 CXG Sphinx Legend H8 10 MHz Gyula Horvath H8, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1776 Excalibur Mirage H8 10 MHz Ron Nelson H8/3214, 10 MHz, 8 Bit Singlechip Add
1776 Fidelity Elegance 6502 3.6 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 3 bzw. 3,6 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1776 Fidelity Playmatic S 6502 3.1 MHz Spracklen, Dan & Kate 6502, 3.1 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1776 Conchess Plymate 6502 4 MHz ??? 6502, 4 MHz, 8 Bit Add
1765 Novag Super Constellation 6502 4 MHz David Kittinger 6502 8Bit Add
1755 Novag Constellation 6502 3.6 MHz David Kittinger 6502, 2 MHz, 8 Bit Add
