Has Rybka 4 delays affected your hardware buying decisions

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Has the Rybka 4 delay changed your Hardware purchases

Poll ended at Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:29 am

Didn't affect my decisions
33
77%
Somewhat changed my purchases
1
2%
Made purchases that I could have waited until later
0
No votes
Will buy another chess program and never buy the weaken Rybka software
9
21%
 
Total votes: 43

daniel71
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Has Rybka 4 delays affected your hardware buying decisions

Post by daniel71 »

How many people are really mad about waiting for Rybka 4.0 and don't want and/or need the cluster version that makes the cd version the bugfix version 3.2. I bought a umber $4000 dollar laptop with a desktop Intel i7 processor and was looking to get a 256GB ssd drive to install when the news broke about the cluster version was the real updated version. I wanted to wait until the Intel 6-core processor (Intel 6-core Gulftown Core i7 980X) was released but Intel changed their mind until 2010 maybe until 2nd quarter of this year for the new processor. So, I gave this laptop to my wife and will buy the 6-core laptop for myself.
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Re: Has Rybka 4 delays affected your hardware buying decisio

Post by Terry McCracken »

What I want to know is where is Intel's bloody 8 core???


They were suppose to deliver but.....
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I am a registered member who contributes often.

When, I vote and choose "submit," the page replrts, "You are not eligible to vote in this poll."

What gives?!
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mhalstern wrote:I am a registered member who contributes often.

When, I vote and choose "submit," the page replrts, "You are not eligible to vote in this poll."

What gives?!
No idea? Try clearing your cache. If that fails then contact Sam Hull the TC Admin. Or contact him first to be safe.
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Re: Has Rybka 4 delays affected your hardware buying decisio

Post by diep »

Terry McCracken wrote:What I want to know is where is Intel's bloody 8 core???


They were suppose to deliver but.....
well that chip was 700mm^2 in 45 nm or something?

so like $5000+ a piece at least and only 4 fit in a mainboard and probably just a few deliver them @ 40k dollar a machine or so.

But yes i also wonder why it has 3 years delay now, it's about time to release, maybe in 32 nm?

I guess the real problem is the latency to the RAM. Right now at nehalem it's 70 ns or something, really good. I guess it's a lot worse at 8 cores and their topend line is already really fast and sells ugly bad, so a chip that's even more expensive and not really better for most applications is probably not so useful to release in economic recessions.

Now that companies get more healthy, but still are unsure, there should come a moment soon that they can't delay buying new hardware.

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Re: Has Rybka 4 delays affected your hardware buying decisio

Post by M ANSARI »

daniel71 wrote:How many people are really mad about waiting for Rybka 4.0 and don't want and/or need the cluster version that makes the cd version the bugfix version 3.2. I bought a umber $4000 dollar laptop with a desktop Intel i7 processor and was looking to get a 256GB ssd drive to install when the news broke about the cluster version was the real updated version. I wanted to wait until the Intel 6-core processor (Intel 6-core Gulftown Core i7 980X) was released but Intel changed their mind until 2010 maybe until 2nd quarter of this year for the new processor. So, I gave this laptop to my wife and will buy the 6-core laptop for myself.
I am sorry but that doesn't seem like the best hardware option. A laptop is not really designed for high end computing. Much better and probably cheaper is to buy a simple dual core laptop and another 6 core desktop. It would cost much less than an expensive high end laptop (usually ridiculously overpriced) and would have much more performance.
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M ANSARI wrote:buy a simple dual core laptop and another 6 core desktop. It would cost much less than an expensive high end laptop (usually ridiculously overpriced) and would have much more performance.
And you'll look really funny lugging it into Starbucks :D
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Re: Has Rybka 4 delays affected your hardware buying decisio

Post by daniel71 »

These laptops offer the same performance as a desktop computer they are just really expensive because they use a desktop processor instead of a mobile i7 Intel processor and the desktop processors offer 90% to 100% faster performance than the fastest mobile quad-core processor so it is better to spend the money ($1000 processor) on a desktop processor than spending $1000 on the fastest mobile extreme which is twice as slow. Maximum PC magazine did a review on it here: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/review ... rect_d900f

Yes its heavy the power brick is impressive as its a desktop replacement. I had bought a Sager laptop before and it had a desktop processor but it was not like I wanted a lightweight computer as I wanted the most powerful one available. I was also looking at the Toshiba Qosmio models before the newest one is this: http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/pdet.to?poid=460942
These Toshibas would be lighter but would be much slower as they use the mobile Intel i7 quad-core processors.
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Post by Sunny Singh »

I am also getting the same error. I think there is some min criteria for voting.
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Re: Has Rybka 4 delays affected your hardware buying decisio

Post by Rendruk »

All you people needs to seriously re-evaluate how you spend your money.

Unless you're either rich, single, or both.


Just thinking about people rushing out to spend 4 grand or more because a new software version is coming out and they want to watch it beat other machines at chess makes me chuckle.

I understand the allure of being the best at anything; trust me on that account. However, this is a about being the best vicariously, or having the best computer -- which in essence is actually about who has more money to spend!

I think people lose sight of that or something.

The only thing separating #2 from #1 on the play chess server is how they tweaked their opening book and who has the better computer.

I'll respect hand-tuning an opening book because that takes a lot of skill and knowledge, but as for who can afford what... I don't find that impressive at all!

In fact it makes me a little sad when I think about how my father used to buy himself nice expensive things and give the family sub-par Christmas's, Birthdays, and nights out.

I don't think we ever took a real vacation as a family when I was a kid but you can be darned sure my dad always had a top of the line new computer.

Of course, even back then I understood that as the person putting bread on our table he had all the right in the world to spend it as he saw fit. I still understand that and I don't condemn him for those decisions. Really though, no Vacation for 18 years?

I'm just saying that there are some things in life more important, at least to me.

Priorities here, people! Thanks.